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[JimmyRabbit49]

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Put your glasses on.

The lists sooooooooo unskilled we have no good kicks.....


****ING LOL

It was pretty clear all year - if we could get off the bottom of the league in terms of disposal efficiency we would start winning

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Triple M apparently reporting that a club champion is being pushed into retirement to open up a spot for the MSD. No talk of which club or which player yet.

Could be referring to the talk on this board re Doc?

 

[ctwenty1]

Triple M apparently reporting that a club champion is being pushed into retirement to open up a spot for the MSD. No talk of which club or which player yet.

Could be referring to the talk on this board re Doc?

No its Christian Petracca - we will then pick him up in the ND with pick 96

 

[Beyond Blue]

Triple M apparently reporting that a club champion is being pushed into retirement to open up a spot for the MSD. No talk of which club or which player yet.

Could be referring to the talk on this board re Doc?

More likely Fyfe, Prestia or Guthrie

 

[Dramoth]

Speaking of 'is it Kre or Kru when you spell kreuzer'...he is doing a stellar job as ruck coach.

It’s pronounced Cruiser. Kreuzer is just the Dutch word for it.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Triple M apparently reporting that a club champion is being pushed into retirement to open up a spot for the MSD. No talk of which club or which player yet.

Could be referring to the talk on this board re Doc?

Surely we have enough LTI's that we don't have to retire someone to get an extra pick at the MSD?

 

[gab213]

If you were De Koning surely you would want to see Wanganeen-Millera signed up long term before committing to the Saints.
With King not being able to get on the park he is their best player by a mile and from some of the whispers around may be lured back to SA.
You'd be spewing to go down there then be stuck with an aging Macrae, Steele, B Hill etc. even if they were paying you a bag.

If he goes there, he's going purely for the money; none of the rest matters. He isn't moving to a better club, nor one that has more chance of success if he goes to St.Kilda.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I never said it did. So who are the 3 mids you think the Saints should get that won’t cost picks?

Why can't they use picks?

 

[ferrisb]

It's an interesting point you raise and a valid one. It is called the Easterlin Paradox. The correlation between money and happiness. It is a relationship that is poorly defined and while richer people are happier than poorer people, rich needs to be clearly defined and in relationship to happiness we are talking very different notion of 'rich' to what we are discussing in this thread. Think of developed country v 3rd world country per capita income levels. This is due to the stress of basic needs not being met.
Same within developed countries like us just a higher dollar need, in terms of having enough to put a roof over your head, kids in activities, capacity for social outlets, etc.
Once basic needs are met the relationship breaks down much quicker than people think. The way we are wired, hedonistic tendency, security of gains and other hard wired response mechanisms cause commensurate levels of stress, cancelling out the perceived happiness provided by said wealth.
It is a bell curve. Happiness rises lock step with income to a point but never past it. Personal behaviours, social structures, optimistic v pessimistic personality types then take over again regardless of the wealth once needs are met.
The number is much lower than most think. Numerous studies and research papers while not conclusive all arrive at a bell curve with increase in happiness v increase in wealth plateauing out at between just below 100k out to bit less than 200k per year. Variances being to the fact it is an inexact science, different personality types have different thresholds etc, however those that have tried modelling the economics of happiness all arrive at a similar destination

Beyond that the relationship breaks down materially. In my line of work I manage a lot of miserable buggers worth fortunes, and lovely old guys and girls commensurately cashed up.

Your approach to how you live your life, mental health etc, strong social networks, interests determines one's happiness, not balance sheet.

Have seen a lot learn this the hard way. Working 100 hr weeks, multiple marriages, kids with little respect bar for the platinum Amex. They sell the business, come to us with a 25m cheque only to find out that personal relationships remain torched, they get bored, also frustrated without purpose as they don't have the business. But hey they have 25m invested. Rinse repeat. You basically become their psychologist more so than their investment team! Not all cases but is a common theme.

Its a fascinating topic. If TDK in intrinsically happy and a commensurate alternative offer is on the table by CFC that I am sure is there abouts. It is not a simple case of take additional cash and run.
The risks to happiness and career satisfaction are stacked against him leaving for a dollar based amount when its only in the vicinity being talked about.

New environment, stress of having to perform, new colleagues/ relationships, post move regret etc. Lot to weigh up. Hope he has some good people in his corner that don't let his manager cloud his judgement whereby his manager is just chasing a clip of the ticket under the guise of 'getting the best outcome for Tom'.. Please.

It's very simple. It's not even about money.

The key to happiness is having shelter, food, clothing, high-speed WiFi and a blues premiership once a decade.

Pretty sure...

 

[ferrisb]

I see The Chad has inked a new deal at Syd turning down massive overtures from the west. Take note Tom.

Doesn't really count.

Just taking himself to free agency, where the truly insane money offers come.

Pretty much everyone does that.

It's more self-serving than a sign of loyalty.

 

[ferrisb]

For $1.7 mill I'd play for Essendon.

Plus think of all the free vitamins!

 

[dangertroy]

Doesn't really count.

Just taking himself to free agency, where the truly insane money offers come.

Pretty much everyone does that.

It's more self-serving than a sign of loyalty.

It’s the smart move for him, but also for West Coast.

He won’t be able to fix them next year, but give them a couple more years of draft picks, and time to sock away extra money for him. They get him as a free agent not losing any draft capital, and lets them trade their picks for players in the year that tassie entry will compromise the draft.

In the meantime, he gets more opportunities to win a flag in a side that should be contending, and the west coast interest this year surely drove up Sydney’s offer.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Why can't they use picks?

They can. I think the point is more around who can they poach with their war chest...

 

[swuzzlebubble]

he gets more opportunities to win a flag in a side that should be contending

Is this contender in the room with us now?

 

[Gointocarlton]

Yep. People overestimate the 'connections' part quite a bit. And nobody is going to commit to looking after him post-career as they wouldn't even know if they'll still be involved at Carlton.

Looking at our major sponsors, how could we do a Geelong?

Hyundai - give him a free car (depreciating asset) every few years? Eh
Great Southern Bank - 0% home loan? not bad.
Ikon - free cleaning services for life? salary as a pool cleaner? maybe.
La Trobe Uni? Nah

Only one that would really appeal to TDK is a sponsorship/endorsement with Puma - I doubt that's worth that much though.

On top of this, incoming recession has even the biggest of companies nervous.

The above is a start, ask Cooky to write on a piece of paper, hand it to Wright, instructions on how to make magic Angus cattle and farm machinery appear on the Dekoning's property down the coast. Perhaps also include the instructions on how to make keys to an additional property mysteriously appear. Ooops, perhaps I have said too much.

 

[Blue__Balls]

They can. I think the point is more around who can they poach with their war chest...

I mean...Harley Reid, for one. I suspect at his age and maturity level he'd be very, very tempted by a 2mil plus per season offer.

That being said - they'd be much better off accepting that they'll always struggle to attract elite players in their prime. They should take an approach centred around moving up the draft wherever possible to target potentially elite 18yos who they can forcibly kidnap on 2-3 year deals and then try to Stockholm-syndrome into staying, and only trade for fringe role players with runs on the board. They should have been all over Kennedy last year, for example.

 

[Stamos]

They should have been all over Kennedy last year, for example.

The did get Macrae to be fair

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

It's very simple. It's not even about money.

The key to happiness is having shelter, food, clothing, high-speed WiFi and a blues premiership once a decade.

Pretty sure...

According to Super Troopers, the key to life is happyness in your household...I think that's what they said..

 

[ajs071]

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Put your glasses on.

The lists sooooooooo unskilled we have no good kicks.....


****ING LOL

Can't take these stats seriously given the opposition we have played the last 3 weeks, especially North and Eagles. Would want a bigger sample size before we can take these stats seriously. Until then....grain of salt

 

[TENACIOUS]

According to Super Troopers, the key to life is happyness in your household...I think that's what they said..

Close… But that’s not quite it

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Why can't they use picks?

Because they are clearly wanting a FA and doubt SOS will want to lose picks. He’s like that

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Can't take these stats seriously given the opposition we have played the last 3 weeks, especially North and Eagles. Would want a bigger sample size before we can take these stats seriously. Until then....grain of salt

Yep, vs genuine traffic cones in 2 of the 3 weeks. Overall we still lack class on our list imo. Hence why the absence of Newman, Elijah and Harry etc early in the year was so profound. Is it an insurmountable gulf vs other teams? No. But we'd absolutely benefit with a few more hard running ball users like most of the best teams have right now.

 

[jj1978]

Because they are clearly wanting a FA and doubt SOS will want to lose picks. He’s like that

Beyond their first rounder this year, they have no other picks really. Probably behind us in terms of worst hand at this years draft.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Beyond their first rounder this year, they have no other picks really. Probably behind us in terms of worst hand at this years draft.

Exactly.

SOS won’t want to part with picks this year or over the next few. We know what he is like.

They have identified TDK as a player of interest. Probably means they would trade Marshall to get into this draft more so if they did get TDK.

I don’t think TDK goes to the Saints. Have said previously it most likely would be Geelong if he did actually decide to leave.

 

[jj1978]

Exactly.

SOS won’t want to part with picks this year or over the next few. We know what he is like.

They have identified TDK as a player of interest. Probably means they would trade Marshall to get into this draft more so if they did get TDK.

I don’t think TDK goes to the Saints. Have said previously it most likely would be Geelong if he did actually decide to leave.

Geelong don't pay overs though. They'd offer him at most 1-million of which we'd match being a RFA. Geelong if they were keen would do a "trade" because they won't advertise the real offer of 1 million + "hidden extras" (equating to 1.5 million).