List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[Dard Ball Get]

Don’t be a smart ass I know what it means

Clearly been in our best all year

Will see that with B & F results

So you would’ve offered him $1.7-2m before the bye?
Right.

 

[Mowman]

Maybe earlier offers were in line with how he was playing then?
Tbh it’s the last 4/5 weeks that he’s really, really elevated himself above everyone.

So you didn’t think before the last 4 to 5 weeks he was going to be a must keep player and one of our best going forward

 

[mighty_sainters]

Lions have built this list so well.

Add on the few F/S and they’ll be hard to beat for years.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

And become a goal-kicking mid.

It’s obvious he was in our best 3-5 before the season, now clearly our best.
But his early year form was certainly not what it is now.

Would have 25-30 including 5-10 kickouts between 50-70% DE some of those early games. Night and day.

 

[Diehard Saint]

So you didn’t think before the last 4 to 5 weeks he was going to be a must keep player and one of our best going forward

Of course.
He was a HBF. And a really, really good and exciting one.
And always a player we didn’t want to lose.
How many goals had he kicked thus far in his career? Probably 5.

In the past few weeks he has become a midfielder and clearance player and a reliable goal kicker. He has elevated himself into something truly special.
And the sky is the limit for him.

But - in the past 4/5 weeks.

 

[Mowman]

Of course.
He was a HBF. And a really, really good and exciting one.
And always a player we didn’t want to lose.
How many goals had he kicked thus far in his career? Probably 5.

In the past few weeks he has become a midfielder and clearance player and a reliable goal kicker. He has elevated himself into something truly special.
And the sky is the limit for him.

But -In the past 4/5 weeks.

So we had everything we have been looking for the last 10 years right under our nose the whole time

 

[Diehard Saint]

So we had everything we have been looking for the last 10 years right under our nose the whole time

Who’s disagreeing with you?

But you appear to not understand what we are getting at - he is a different player now than he was up till the bye.
He is worth a whole lot more than he was even 5 weeks ago.

So no, I did not expect the club to be talking to him at the beginning of the year offering $1.4 mill +.

Would have been ludicrous.

 

[Mowman]

So you would’ve offered him $1.7-2m before the bye?
Right.

I would’ve offered him 1.4 before the bye before I would offer TDK 1.7 over 12 and a C grader like Aleer 750 a year

 

[jwikked]

St Kilda receive:- Berry, Whitlock, 2026 First round pick, 2027 First round pick

Port receive:- Nas

Not sure what else Port can offer apart from this. This is assuming that Butters and Bergman are 100% staying (which sounds likely)

Is this the best we could expect in a Port trade scenario?

Probably. Ports 2026 first round pick will be going cheap regardless, provided the AFL give them access to Cochrane as an NGA (which they shouldn't do, but probably will)

Would love to see us bid on him regardless of what happens.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I would’ve offered him 1.4 before the bye before I would offer TDK 1.7 over 12 and a C grader like Aleer 750 a year

Thank you, we got there

 

[Mowman]

Who’s disagreeing with you?

But you appear to not understand what we are getting at - he is a different player now than he was up till the bye.
He is worth a whole lot more than he was even 5 weeks ago.

So no, I did not expect the club to be talking to him at the beginning of the year offering $1.4 mill +.

Would have been ludicrous.

No same player just playing in a different position

Start of the year it was clear he was our most talented and best player going forward by a country mile

Ludicrous is losing your best drafted player in 15 years while paying stupid money for someone like TDK who is not in the best 5 ruckman going around

 

[Mowman]

Thank you, we got there

Oh please

 

[mighty_sainters]

The first reports were 900k for Leek Aleer, a few months later it’s now down to 750k.

By seasons end it’ll be 4 years at 650k compared to GWS’ offer of 2 years at 400k.

Don’t get caught up over the money.

 

[Joffaboy]

Have no problem in splashing the cash for players but need to be damn sure i's are dotted and tees crossed with your current ooc players, especially your marquee players.
You are ooc, you see reports of 1.7 a year for a bloke not much better if at all than the current ruck and an unproven backman for a bomb, you say to your manager, I'll do my job, you do yours.

We are in this predicament because we are forced to overpay for players because we can't get to the top end due to NGA and F/S corruption and shitty fixtures meaning we can't get primitive games.

We try to improve our list with a hand tied behind our backs, then cop shit when things go **** up.

 

[bergholt]

Aleer says hi

Yeah not super excited about that one tbh

 

[TheJackal]

Why couldn't we just vote for Sara Marie and her stupid bum dance of Ben frikkin Williams. There's a sliding doors moment I never thought would come up on our List Management Discussion bingo card!

 

[Diehard Saint]

No same player just playing in a different position

Start of the year it was clear he was our most talented and best player going forward by a country mile

Ludicrous is losing your best drafted player in 15 years while paying stupid money for someone like TDK who is not in the best 5 ruckman going around

It’s not either or.
We have enough salary cap for both.
That has been mentioned plenty of times.
And you know you need to pay more to attract a FA.

Imagine our year next year if Marshall goes down. He’s clearly playing hindered with his foot.

My point stands. You don’t offer to pay a player 1.4+ based on the first half of his season..

Anyway. We’re not going to agree. Pretty sure they’re offering him plenty now. But it’s not amount I would have offered even 6 weeks ago.

 

[littlecreatures]

So you didn’t think before the last 4 to 5 weeks he was going to be a must keep player and one of our best going forward

I’d ignore mate. Absolute revisionist horseradish. We’ve all known we’ve had something special since day dot.

And, the whole salary cap argument - we won’t be able to fill it in couple years, as we simply won’t be able to retain or attract the talent.

There’s no two ways about it - this will kill the club, both commercially and in terms of list build/management.

Absolutely heartbroken.

 

[StCicatriz]

Oh please

Ignore him.

He's just started early on the mental gymnastics to excuse how we lose a ounce in a generation player.

For a bloke who's all about being alpha. He sure does love sitting in the cuck chair, offering words of encouragement to the club as its getting absolutely ****ed.

 

[Sainter88]

Why couldn't we just vote for Sara Marie and her stupid bum dance of Ben frikkin Williams. There's a sliding doors moment I never thought would come up on our List Management Discussion bingo card!

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Ignore him.

He's just started early on the mental gymnastics to excuse how we lose a ounce in a generation player.

For a bloke who's all about being alpha. He sure does love sitting in the cuck chair, offering words of encouragement to the club as its getting absolutely ****ed.

Pathetic as always from you x

How about argue the point, Mowman doesn’t need you cradling his balls. As much as you enjoy it.

 

[aidansbonor]

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Genuinely get pissed off anytime I see this fu*kstick

 

[stavro#4]

Not get into SC strife ?

Finn Callaghan 10 years at 17 million

Rowell 2 million at multiple years

Only the last few weeks has NAS been offered close to that, remember apparently it was never about the money ? And maybe early offers were well under

Asleep at wheel ?

I’d say offering his cousin - who has been an entire year out of the AFL system, a list spot should he re-sign, Is Massive evidence that in/around June - it wasn’t about money.

I mean, that doesn’t make Nas richer.

The player since that report of “the club thinks it’s got its man” - which let’s be honest has come from the club. Has been in some insane form.

• Hawthorn 43 disposals 0.3 (that last quarter onball)
• Sydney (tagged by Jordan) 24 disposals 6r50s 4i50s 3 Centre clearances
• Geelong 36 disposals 2.2
• Melbourne 34 disposals 4.1

A few weeks later Caro then reported that Williams claimed Nas was actually undecided and shelved talks in the middle of that streak.

He is going to get his player paid, but that’s not a reflection of the club low balling him or SOS trying to outsmart himself.

 

[littlecreatures]

I’d say offering his cousin - who has been an entire year out of the AFL system, a list spot should he re-sign, Is Massive evidence that in/around June - it wasn’t about money.

I mean, that doesn’t make Nas richer.

The player since that report of “the club thinks it’s got its man” - which let’s be honest has come from the club. Has been in some insane form.

• Hawthorn 43 disposals 0.3 (that last quarter onball)
• Sydney (tagged by Jordan) 24 disposals 6r50s 4i50s 3 Centre clearances
• Geelong 36 disposals 2.2
• Melbourne 34 disposals 4.1

A few weeks later Caro then reported that Williams claimed Nas was actually undecided and shelved talks in the middle of that streak.

He is going to get his player paid, but that’s not a reflection of the club low balling him or SOS trying to outsmart himself.

You think he’s staying Stav, and what’s the terms of the last contract from the club that they apparently offered start of this week to late last week?

 

[Joffaboy]

Ignore him.

He's just started early on the mental gymnastics to excuse how we lose a ounce in a generation player.

For a bloke who's all about being alpha. He sure does love sitting in the cuck chair, offering words of encouragement to the club as its getting absolutely ****ed.

I would love to see Dard in the cuck chair, specifically the one James Bond was in with his balls getting smashed in Casino Royale.
He would still defend the club and wouldn't crack