List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[botts]

Has this been posted?

Aw ****

 

[botts]

Has this been posted?

Well this TDK thing is looking like a disaster.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Would have a lot to do with his best mate become the best player in the comp over night and demanding $2m per season for 2 years which gives us no flexibility to backend his contract.

 

[saintbill]

It can not be understated how significant this offseason is for the future of the club the next 5 years.

 

[BrutThough]

Well this TDK thing is looking like a disaster.

Very little chance that the two things are related.

 

[botts]

It can not be understated how significant this offseason is for the future of the club the next 5 years.

If we bring in aleer and TDK but loose nas and windy. We go backwards. I reckon windy has future captain writen all over him. I hope sos knows what he is doing

 

[Ads734]

Still don't trust SOS.
Never have, and I won't until one of his list builds bares fruit.

 

[BrutThough]

As much as SOS is pissing me off, I do wonder how much the Nas decision is holding up other contracts.

Windy's value dramatically changes if Nas leaves. And with 1.5mil extra laying around, it makes sense for his party of hold off in case he could get some extra of that.

 

[Saint Shags]

Very little chance that the two things are related.

Gotta disagree here.
There was always talk that this idea of 1.7m being bandied about for TDK and a possible 2m for Rowell was always going go get managers thinking there was plenty of money to be earned for their clients.

Add on Nas, and you have a situation where the 'warchest' wasn't as big as we would have hoped or claimed.

Let's be absolutely honest. If you knew that your place of employment was spending an absolute shit load of money on someone they were bringing in. Why wouldnt you want a bit more of the pie? And Windys year has been good for him. He's continued to improve and has still shown he is a very good run with player.

Of course clubs were going to through with offers. My hope would have been that we could get close. But it doesn't seem that way.

 

[Thirsty_NeedBeer]

What an absolute mess. Cheers SOS

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Gotta disagree here.
There was always talk that this idea of 1.7m being bandied about for TDK and a possible 2m for Rowell was always going go get managers thinking there was plenty of money to be earned for their clients.

Add on Nas, and you have a situation where the 'warchest' wasn't as big as we would have hoped or claimed.

Let's be absolutely honest. If you knew that your place of employment was spending an absolute shit load of money on someone they were bringing in. Why wouldnt you want a bit more of the pie? And Windys year has been good for him. He's continued to improve and has still shown he is a very good run with player.

Of course clubs were going to through with offers. My hope would have been that we could get close. But it doesn't seem that way.

especially when we're doing pretty well developing our own talent, why go throwing big money at GOPs just to prove you can land something, it's a joke. The ruck is NOT an area we're desperate for, neither is a third tall defender (we need a full back), we need a second forward pocket to accompany higgins more than we need another ruckman right now. Fml, so stupid

 

[Saint Shags]

Anyways. Not sure if this has been posted.
Sometimes you just need a laugh!

 

[Minga]

To each their own, but I wouldn’t be judging sos until something concrete actually happens…

 

[Diehard Saint]

Wait until NAS leaves, things will revert to normal real quick

With all of us.
I like to think I’m a pretty optimistic person generally, but this is seriously testing me….

 

[Sir Owens]

And Windy said he was handling his contract negotiation's the same way as Nas

 

[Diehard Saint]

Has this been posted?

Ross has always been so positive about him…the mind boggles.

 

[BrutThough]

Gotta disagree here.
There was always talk that this idea of 1.7m being bandied about for TDK and a possible 2m for Rowell was always going go get managers thinking there was plenty of money to be earned for their clients.

Add on Nas, and you have a situation where the 'warchest' wasn't as big as we would have hoped or claimed.

Let's be absolutely honest. If you knew that your place of employment was spending an absolute shit load of money on someone they were bringing in. Why wouldnt you want a bit more of the pie? And Windys year has been good for him. He's continued to improve and has still shown he is a very good run with player.

Of course clubs were going to through with offers. My hope would have been that we could get close. But it doesn't seem that way.

There was never an offer presented to Rowell so let's not pretend that would have impacted anything.

Everyone is aware we have to overpay Free Agents. Thats a league wide issue. But I doubt Windy's management is thinking Windy deserves more due to TDK's contract.

I would guess that we just didn't rate Windy as highly as he wanted us too based on viewing him as a tagger and our offer being tagger money. But since moved out to the wing, his form has been excellent and I would hope negotiations reflect that with us making a better offer.

 

[Murraj1966]

SOS needs to go but he’s one of Ross’ boys and never will while he’s here

Why undercut Windy when we’re throwing too much at Aleer ffs

 

[Thirsty_NeedBeer]

To each their own, but I wouldn’t be judging sos until something concrete actually happens…

I don’t know, the whole TDK thing stinks. SOS has a hard-on for bending over his old club. I can’t help but feel the TDK and Aleer whispers have caused angst amongst the playing group.

 

[Saint Shags]

There was never an offer presented to Rowell so let's not pretend that would have impacted anything.

Its more the fact that we as a club have been happy to let the media run with this idea of a massive warchest. Rightly or wrongly that will get managers talking.

Everyone is aware we have to overpay Free Agents. Thats a league wide issue. But I doubt Windy's management is thinking Windy deserves more due to TDK's contract.

There is overpay and then there is extreme. And imo 1.7 for TDK is extreme. I digress though. It isnt about earning as much as TDK. Its the perception that player managers would be wanting more of the pie. And if player and manager believe they are being short-changed then it does become an issue. And what is made worse is that whilst he is having a career best year so far in terms of numbers, the reporting seems to convey the thought that we haven't valued him as much as he would like.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Let's be absolutely honest. If you knew that your place of employment was spending an absolute shit load of money on someone they were bringing in. Why wouldnt you want a bit more of the pie? And Windys year has been good for him. He's continued to improve and has still shown he is a very good run with player.

Of course clubs were going to through with offers. My hope would have been that we could get close. But it doesn't seem that way.

Yes, but he’s not a star. He’s a good player making his way. Unfortunately, he also needs to be realistic. He had a pretty ordinary year last year, and although there’s been lots of improvement this season he’s nowhere near the class of NAS right now and his contract needs to reflect where he is.

Hall’s had, arguably, a much better season and he took 2 years. No idea how many $$ but assume it would have been much better than the original one.

Hopefully it’s just taking so long because it’s going to rest on Nas’ outcome.

Holding thumbs for both!

 

[Diehard Saint]

I don’t know, the whole TDK thing stinks. SOS has a hard-on for bending over his old club. I can’t help but feel the TDK and Aleer whispers have caused angst amongst the playing group.

In all honesty, what would the club do if Marshall has major injury problems in the next couple of years? He’s been hindered by a foot problem for most of the year, and it’s extremely doubtful he’ll be around when we start playing finals.

Dodson’s a babe and the jury appears to be out whether Heath even makes it. Been in the system for 4 years already.

TDK is the perfect demographic for us and probably still has improvement in him. Gawn has been very complimentary of him. Yes, it’s a lot of $$$, but we don’t have to give up a pick by trading.

I can see the sense behind this decision.

Like SOS or not, this whole thing about getting back at Carlton is ridiculous. he’s a professional, his reputation is riding on this, and he’s probably not making these decisions in isolation.

 

[BrutThough]

Its more the fact that we as a club have been happy to let the media run with this idea of a massive warchest. Rightly or wrongly that will get managers talking.

There is overpay and then there is extreme. And imo 1.7 for TDK is extreme. I digress though. It isnt about earning as much as TDK. Its the perception that player managers would be wanting more of the pie. And if player and manager believe they are being short-changed then it does become an issue. And what is made worse is that whilst he is having a career best year so far in terms of numbers, the reporting seems to convey the thought that we haven't valued him as much as he would like.

There isnt anything the club can do once the media and certain management groups start using our extra salary cap to boost deals for their clients.

 

[Saint Shags]

Yes, but he’s not a star. He’s a good player making his way. Unfortunately, he also needs to be realistic. He had a pretty ordinary year last year, and although there’s been lots of improvement this season he’s nowhere near the class of NAS right now and his contract needs to reflect where he is.

Nowhere in the article though does it state he wants that type of money. All it says is that the offer so far doesn't show him or his management that he is valued.

Whilst I thought that the rumour of Nas being shown a 'future list' of the club and it didnt have Windy was bullshit.
Maybe there was a hint of reality in it? But shit I'd hope not. I see Windy being an important cog.

 

[botts]

Maybe we might have to move on steel at the end of the year to free up some cap space. 2021 was the best draft we have had in 20 years. Can’t bare the thought of butchering it