List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[Mr Ripper]

Speaking earlier this year, U20 manager Ó Sé outlined his frustration with the way in which AFL sides are poaching some of the best Irish talent.

Go professional then?

 

[WheildonTheAxe]

The GAA is built around county representation and culturally, it's amateur status is part of the DNA. Realistically, there isn't the money or scope for the GAA to go professional. 32 counties (though not all play play football) shared across the population of 4 million. Instead they rely on an economy of 'Cotton On' style arrangement.

Whenever an Irish player is recruited, there's always a narrative that the AFL is pilfering all the best players. How many are playing seniors regularly? Probably less than ten.

 

[Section 5]

Started the trade period with 1156 points
Lost Starcevich and likely Ah-Chee to other clubs
Total points at end of trade 1756.
A gain of 600 points or pick 25.

We did gain Allen and Draper without using a trade

 

[lionraven]

The biggest loser is Cals manager. He got Cal this Adelaide deal months ago. Supposedly Cals family has already moved expecting this deal. Despite knowing all this he couldn't broker a trade. He looks very weak after that. His press conference performance came off as pathetic whining and unprofessional. Not a very good advertisement for future players to join his brand, especially as he appeared too stupid to play a neutral role and not destroy his own relationships with a powerhouse club. He looked like an zadelaide puppet.

If Ah Chee joins Adelaide, I'd rather it be through the PSD. It means it will put cap pressure on Adelaide. Im pretty sure we got warned for tampering when we extended Joe for cheap after overpaying his early years to net Bombers a higher pick. Adelaide will now have to overpay Ah Chees money to get him in the draft. There is a risk that Ah Chee takes that initial high paying contract and then does not perform or does perform and then does not extend on a cheaper price afterwards. It also means Adelaide can't bank as much cap in the next couple years to try and snatch NWM in 2 years from the Saints

We lose access to a late 30s or early 40s pick. This picks value is now eroded due to the matching changes. No big loss at all.

 

[Sauce Merrett]

Got a ban warning and restricted from posting on the Crows board for making a post saying that the Crows did wrong by ah chee and that the lions did the right thing.

Gave the mod an absolute serve by pointing out that having a different opinion to someone isnt breaking any rules.

 

[Kapers]

Im so sorry that you guys have to deal with Adelaide. Had a similar thing happen with Dawson, and I think we needed the pick more than you guys did.
Adelaide are scum on the trading table.

 

[beatnik]

Got a ban warning and restricted from posting on the Crows board for making a post saying that the Crows did wrong by ah chee and that the lions did the right thing.

Gave the mod an absolute serve by pointing out that having a different opinion to someone isnt breaking any rules.

I got a one-week emoji ban on the draft and trading board for lol’ing at a couple of Snuff’s posts!

What’s that saying? “A little bit of power corrupts absolutely?”

 

[Royboy1961]

I have been holding off on making making comments on the Ah Chee trade debacle but would like to put some perspective on it. The Lions are currently in the premiership window for the next two to three years but this largely depends on player retention, injuries and recruiting. Out current list manager Ambrogio is the best in the business and together with our recruiting team lead by Conole have put together the best and deepest list in the AFL. They have identified players of need, recruited and developed players and traded for players with other clubs in a professional manner. We currently have the deepest list in the AFL with 6 AFL standard players being available nest year sometime who will be trying to get back into the team. We are basically the envy of all other clubs in the AFL. As a result of this great work you would expect all our off contract players to be offered a handsome sum of money to play elsewhere and believe me the opposition is now hunting us. The difficult decision for our available players is do they take the money or do they stay and chase the ultimate success and premiership glory? This is a difficult decision and would not be taken lightly by any of our players. We currently have the best coach, best recruiting team, best list manager and best footy director in the AFL. On top of this we will be relocating to a new football oval which will be the best venue in the AFL.
Now let’s have a look at the plight of the Ah Chee trade. Ah Chee is currently seen as our best utility player being able to play as a half forward, wingman or half back flanker. His 2024 year was his best where he was one of our best finals players and managed to kick 4 goals on the grandfinal. This form unfortunately was not replicated in 2025 where he kicked 24.27 goals/points at 47.1% which is a little under as a half forward flanker. He did however manage to play 25 games but did not get a top 10 finish in our best and fairest. To his credit however played his best footy in our finals campaign. Once Berry was injured Ah Chee was moved to the wing to cover Dempsey in the Grand FINAL and played a great game until the last 5 minutes when the AFLs most dangerous wingman snagged a few goals. Born in October 1997 makes him a 28 year old dual premiership player who is still playing good footy and has been offered a 4 year contract by the Lions hierarchy on apparently a compatible contract to Adelaide. So what is his worth? No injury problems, plays nearly every game for us every year, our best utility player being able to play multiple positions, offered a 5 year contract by Adelaide on excellent money, in our best 22 players.
Apparently the Lions provided the Crows 4 different scenarios to complete the trade but the best Adelaide could do was offer a future 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder. This effectively is around 250 points value in draft capital which is hardly a tantalising proposition to any AFL team to make a trade for a valuable premiership player.
So given this information and this scenario what would you do? I reckon given the Lions current position it is more important to make sure that any other team trying to poach our players need to pay what is reasonable. I for one am happy that we did not give away a player for well under their trade value.
Over the next few months Ah Chee will now need to make a decision on whether he will stay at the Lions, be poached by another AFL club which is below Adelaide on the ladder or hope he will get to Adelaide. It will be a daily news story. I wish Callum Ah Chee

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Callum Ah Chee

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.5

3star

D

11.1

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.1

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

and his family all the best for the future.

 

[Viceregal]

I have been holding off on making making comments on the Ah Chee trade debacle but would like to put some perspective on it. The Lions are currently in the premiership window for the next two to three years but this largely depends on player retention, injuries and recruiting. Out current list manager Dodoro is the best in the business and together with our recruiting team lead by Conole have put together the best and deepest list in the AFL. They have identified players of need, recruited and developed players and traded for players with other clubs in a professional manner. We currently have the deepest list in the AFL with 6 AFL standard players being available nest year sometime who will be trying to get back into the team. We are basically the envy of all other clubs in the AFL. As a result of this great work you would expect all our off contract players to be offered a handsome sum of money to play elsewhere and believe me the opposition is now hunting us. The difficult decision for our available players is do they take the money or do they stay and chase the ultimate success and premiership glory? This is a difficult decision and would not be taken lightly by any of our players. We currently have the best coach, best recruiting team, best list manager and best footy director in the AFL. On top of this we will be relocating to a new football oval which will be the best venue in the AFL.
Now let’s have a look at the plight of the Ah Chee trade. Ah Chee is currently seen as our best utility player being able to play as a half forward, wingman or half back flanker. His 2024 year was his best where he was one of our best finals players and managed to kick 4 goals on the grandfinal. This form unfortunately was not replicated in 2025 where he kicked 24.27 goals/points at 47.1% which is a little under as a half forward flanker. He did however manage to play 25 games but did not get a top 10 finish in our best and fairest. To his credit however played his best footy in our finals campaign. Once Berry was injured Ah Chee was moved to the wing to cover Dempsey in the Grand FINAL and played a great game until the last 5 minutes when the AFLs most dangerous wingman snagged a few goals. Born in October 1997 makes him a 28 year old dual premiership player who is still playing good footy and has been offered a 4 year contract by the Lions hierarchy on apparently a compatible contract to Adelaide. So what is his worth? No injury problems, plays nearly every game for us every year, our best utility player being able to play multiple positions, offered a 5 year contract by Adelaide on excellent money, in our best 22 players.
Apparently the Lions provided the Crows 4 different scenarios to complete the trade but the best Adelaide could do was offer a future 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder. This effectively is around 250 points value in draft capital which is hardly a tantalising proposition to any AFL team to make a trade for a valuable premiership player.
So given this information and this scenario what would you do? I reckon given the Lions current position it is more important to make sure that any other team trying to poach our players need to pay what is reasonable. I for one am happy that we did not give away a player for well under their trade value.
Over the next few months Ah Chee will now need to make a decision on whether he will stay at the Lions, be poached by another AFL club which is below Adelaide on the ladder or hope he will get to Adelaide. It will be a daily news story. I wish Callum Ah Chee and his family all the best for the future.

When you opened calling our list manager Dodoro I was expecting a bake ... was happy to be pleasantly surprised!

 

[RoyBoy17]

Both Ah Chee and his manager stuffed up. If they knew months ago then instead of being happy with Adelaide trying to shaft us then out of respect for Brisbane, that helped him become a premiership player, how about make it clear that he won’t walk to the pre season draft. Get a deal done. For 900k a year they are obviously desperate for him. Guarantee that one of those deals would have got done.

If I was Ah Chee I also wouldn’t want my manager crapping on the club that had done their best in trade negotiations to facilitate a reasonable deal.

Regardless of the money, the grass ain’t always greener and they just got their first sneak peak into the calibre of club they are walking into.

 

[SpecialBruce]

That's also why Adelaide are dumb, club and supporters.

They are paying him a lot for a reason and want him for five years so he was worth what we were asking.

They just wanted to fleece us all along and it will come back to bite them in the balls and it will be great to watch

 

[mebevan]

I guess Levi has extended? Was there any other announcement or just this video?

Videos | AFL, AFLW, VFL, Pressers & More | Brisbane Lions

Levi Ashcroft has extended his contract with the Brisbane Lions

www.lions.com.au

 

[Fagenslions36]

Not the sharpest bunch the Adelaide supporters based on comments I’ve received so socials over the last few days when giving my insight on ah chee trade . All they say is either we done him wrong or now they get him for free no onus on there club to ensure a fair and equitable trade was done . Did Dawson go pre season aswelll or did a trade get done . Seems their list boss Justin Reid uses this threat all the time no wonder when looking at who has left and gone to crows last 5 years they haven’t attracted anyone if any real point other then south Australians wanting to return home . Said it before but gees the manager needs a good hard look at himself . So unprofessional fronting up to the Adelaide press conference hand in hand not the way to do business I would think with one of the most powerful on field clubs now .

 

[Lace Out]

Not the sharpest bunch the Adelaide supporters based on comments I’ve received so socials over the last few days when giving my insight on ah chee trade . All they say is either we done him wrong or now they get him for free no onus on there club to ensure a fair and equitable trade was done . Did Dawson go pre season aswelll or did a trade get done . Seems their list boss Justin Reid uses this threat all the time no wonder when looking at who has left and gone to crows last 5 years they haven’t attracted anyone if any real point other then south Australians wanting to return home . Said it before but gees the manager needs a good hard look at himself . So unprofessional fronting up to the Adelaide press conference hand in hand not the way to do business I would think with one of the most powerful on field clubs now .

When they realised they had stuffed up they did that little show to cover up the truth

 

[SpecialBruce]

Not the sharpest bunch the Adelaide supporters based on comments I’ve received so socials over the last few days when giving my insight on ah chee trade . All they say is either we done him wrong or now they get him for free no onus on there club to ensure a fair and equitable trade was done . Did Dawson go pre season aswelll or did a trade get done . Seems their list boss Justin Reid uses this threat all the time no wonder when looking at who has left and gone to crows last 5 years they haven’t attracted anyone if any real point other then south Australians wanting to return home . Said it before but gees the manager needs a good hard look at himself . So unprofessional fronting up to the Adelaide press conference hand in hand not the way to do business I would think with one of the most powerful on field clubs now .

Not surprising that he is a knob considering he was on big brother, one of the dumbest shows since don't forget your toothbrush.

 

[dlanod]

I guess Levi has extended? Was there any other announcement or just this video?

Videos | AFL, AFLW, VFL, Pressers & More | Brisbane Lions

Levi Ashcroft has extended his contract with the Brisbane Lions

www.lions.com.au

I wonder if the social media intern uploading something a little early...

(Three years for anyone wondering.)

 

[Fagenslions36]

Yeah but having the spud Adelaide supporters continue with the absolute nonsense is just annoying . They even talking crap about not being able to beat their club in a pre season game and the one at Adelaide mid year when if we had of kicked straight would have slaughtered them . Forget the fact they didn’t win 1 quarter or footy in 2 finals . Laughable football club . Wouldn’t be surprised if our first game of season is us playing them on a sat night over there especially if ah chee goes there .

 

[drapes11]

Yeah but having the spud Adelaide supporters continue with the absolute nonsense is just annoying . They even talking crap about not being able to beat their club in a pre season game and the one at Adelaide mid year when if we had of kicked straight would have slaughtered them . Forget the fact they didn’t win 1 quarter or footy in 2 finals . Laughable football club . Wouldn’t be surprised if our first game of season is us playing them on a sat night over there especially if ah chee goes there .

Premierships aren’t won in the pre-season. Let them live in their alternate reality while we bask in back to back glory

 

[FeastOrFamine]

Yeah but having the spud Adelaide supporters continue with the absolute nonsense is just annoying . They even talking crap about not being able to beat their club in a pre season game and the one at Adelaide mid year when if we had of kicked straight would have slaughtered them . Forget the fact they didn’t win 1 quarter or footy in 2 finals . Laughable football club . Wouldn’t be surprised if our first game of season is us playing them on a sat night over there especially if ah chee goes there .

It's just about spiting us - their rationale being that because we're the premiers we need to bend over and accept a shit deal for a proven player. Or that our academy rorts even it out so we should get nothing anyway.

Let's see how they front up next year with a harder draw and no improvement to their midfield. They missed out on all the big fish midfielder targets they were after.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I wonder if the social media intern uploading something a little early...

(Three years for anyone wondering.)

DD probably told them to upload the Ashcroft re-signing video and the intern panicked and uploaded both

 

[Voss the boss]

3 years extension take him to 2030 - same as his brother! Definitely going to align themselves with each other.

 

[Maboo]

Yeah but having the spud Adelaide supporters continue with the absolute nonsense is just annoying . They even talking crap about not being able to beat their club in a pre season game and the one at Adelaide mid year when if we had of kicked straight would have slaughtered them . Forget the fact they didn’t win 1 quarter or footy in 2 finals . Laughable football club . Wouldn’t be surprised if our first game of season is us playing them on a sat night over there especially if ah chee goes there .

They are just grabbing onto anything they can after their season ended in the disaster it did, and that pre season game is the game where the Crom were calling plays from the Lions playbook. We couldn't stop Murray Davis taking Lions IP to the Crom, but it seems he wasn't smart enough to change the calls out on the field.

 

[Viceregal]

It's just about spiting us - their rationale being that because we're the premiers we need to bend over and accept a shit deal for a proven player. Or that our academy rorts even it out so we should get nothing anyway.

Let's see how they front up next year with a harder draw and no improvement to their midfield. They missed out on all the big fish midfielder targets they were after.

From their perspective they were offering something that to them would have had value and the fact that it had no value to us was not their problem and a symptom of a wider issue of clubs who values picks vs clubs who value points.

 

[Sherrinator]

Yep thats why most are pointing the finger at his manager. The managers do the bulk of the legwork in negotiation and he shouldve seen months ahead that the crows couldnt satisfy a trade without trading their first rounder

I don’t think the manager or the Adelaide list guy understands how worthless Adelaide’s late round picks are. They’ve been grooming him for so long you would think they’d have gone to school.

 

[Sherrinator]

From their perspective they were offering something that to them would have had value and the fact that it had no value to us was not their problem and a symptom of a wider issue of clubs who values picks vs clubs who value points.

They knew they could manipulate the PSD.