List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Mostyn]

Not really, already had the the physique and more and more it's starting to look like the manchild agaianst his peers thing could be the case with Tyler, very rarely have we seen his 2.92 sec 20m on display on the lead. Endurance was the question mark.

He didn't have the physique. He was a big kid with baby fat. Nothing like the physique of a professional footballer.

Most key forwards are big when they arrive in the AFL and they all take years to adjust

 

[Mutineer]

He didn't have the physique. He was a big kid with baby fat. Nothing like the physique of a professional footballer.

Most key forwards are big when they arrive in the AFL and they all take years to adjust

Big as in height , very few are fully developed physically and most put on significant muscle and weight. i.e Riley Thilthorpe and Tex Walker ...and Welsh is not a key forward's height in the modern game and they are becoming less and less..

 

[crow2crow]

I wonder if they’re exploring bringing Hollands over for the SANFL side with a chance to upgrade at the MSD?

He clearly has talent, just whether he can sort out his life off-field.

this would be excellent option if hollands accepted

 

[crow2crow]

I was giving you an answer, no

If those guys were OOC, maybe

thanks for an answer finally

 

[crow2crow]

Almost no upside?

This is a guy who only 5 years ago was probably the #1 draft pick pre ACL and is 12 months removed from a season where he averaged 18 touches and a goal playing every week for a team that made the finals.

The upside is that he is proven to be capable of being a worthy contributor at AFL level and it is reasonable to think he has the capacity to improve and be more than that.

The risks are as obvious as they are unquantifiable so they may well outweigh the upside. Clearly a lot of clubs feel that way, probably ours included, and fair enough.

But only a fool would not see or acknowledge the upside.

In fact the upside is the only reason we are having the conversation.

No upside whatsoever

 

[Syd Crow]

Big as in height , very few a fully developed physically and most put on significant muscle and weight. i.e Riley Thilthorpe and Tex Walker ...and Welsh is not a key forward's height in the modern game and are becoming less and less..

I remember seeing Kurt Tippett, James Sellar and Tex walking past a restaurant where I was sitting, at the Marina Glenelg, must have been in late 2008. Tex looked half the size of the other two, not just in height (as he seemed to be walking at an angle with his head forward, reducing his height, behind the other two) but he was also as skinny as hell (just a big kid) compared to Tippett and Sellar. I'm sure he walks much straighter these days!

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Zac Bailey and Ryley Sanders double next offseason works for me.

Do we even need both?

We want to keep room in the midfield for for Draper/Curtin/Edwards

 

[Vader]

No upside whatsoever
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The guy is a walking time bomb. No upside whatsoever.

 

[AFC979810]

The guy is a walking time bomb. No upside whatsoever.

I don't think you understand what the word 'Upside' means.

 

[daniel_4tw]

It sucks we didn’t get a midfielder this off season but Hollands is not the answer.

He got thrown out of Gold Coast and couldn’t even see out his 2 year contract at Carlton before the club would rather pay him out to make him go away.

Upside or not. His AFL career is done.

 

[crow2crow]

The guy is a walking time bomb. No upside whatsoever.

probably but the shit hes in is nothing compared to jamarra

the sanfl train on option is very low risk

 

[Soggy2112]

Not really, already had the the physique and more and more it's starting to look like the manchild agaianst his peers thing could be the case with Tyler, very rarely have we seen his 2.92 sec 20m on display on the lead. Endurance was the question mark.

Is it not possible though that we haven’t seen that acceleration and power on display, because his endurance is not yet at the level that allows him to?

I think we have seen glimpses of his ability, and to me it looks like there could be a player there. Given it takes more than one season to build up a really good aerobic base, if endurance was the question mark, would it not be silly to cut him loose before he’s had a proper opportunity to address that?

 

[baldandbroke]

Is it not possible though that we haven’t seen that acceleration and power on display, because his endurance is not yet at the level that allows him to?

I think we have seen glimpses of his ability, and to me it looks like there could be a player there. Given it takes more than one season to build up a really good aerobic base, if endurance was the question mark, would it not be silly to cut him loose before he’s had a proper opportunity to address that?

Don’t write off young “bigs” too early. Classic mistake.

192cm powerful forward type - needs to be given the time to show what his level is.

Obviously has some of the desirable traits you look for in a forward, let’s wait and see where he develops before chopping him off the list.

He still has a lot of unrealised potential in my eyes. Until we see a clear end to his development curve - I’d be holding his card in the deck.

 

[Mutineer]

Is it not possible though that we haven’t seen that acceleration and power on display, because his endurance is not yet at the level that allows him to?

I think we have seen glimpses of his ability, and to me it looks like there could be a player there. Given it takes more than one season to build up a really good aerobic base, if endurance was the question mark, would it not be silly to cut him loose before he’s had a proper opportunity to address that?

He's actually had 2 years under Burgess given he left his schooling/education and spent most of the 2024 season with the Crows. He's appearing more like a longshot to make it on anything he's shown this far and Maley joining the squad won't make it any easier I wouldn't think? I guess we'll find out early next season if he's made any significant headway.

 

[crow2crow]

He's actually had 2 years under Burgess given he left his schooling/education and spent most of the 2024 season with the Crows. He's appearing more like a longshot to make it on anything he's shown this far and Maley joining the squad won't make it any easier I wouldn't think? I guess we'll find out early next season if he's made any significant headway.

unfortunately i agree with you on this one. now a long shot.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Don’t write off young “bigs” too early. Classic mistake.

192cm powerful forward type - needs to be given the time to show what his level is.

Obviously has some of the desirable traits you look for in a forward, let’s wait and see where he develops before chopping him off the list.

He still has a lot of unrealised potential in my eyes. Until we see a clear end to his development curve - I’d be holding his card in the deck.

Agree .....that said, we need to see if Welsh can apply himself to the work ethic required of a professional footballer

In my mind, he has all the traits to make it .....but does he have the desire ?

As Mutineer has said, so far that aspect has been missing, given 2 years already under Burgess / Crows environment

 

[WeeBlake]

It sucks we didn’t get a midfielder this off season but Hollands is not the answer.

He got thrown out of Gold Coast and couldn’t even see out his 2 year contract at Carlton before the club would rather pay him out to make him go away.

Upside or not. His AFL career is done.

Players can turn it around after their career goes sideways - Stengle, Hogan, Swan, Degoey, even Jack Martin was good this year.

 

[Mutineer]

Players can turn it around after their career goes sideways - Stengle, Hogan, Swan, Degoey, even Jack Martin was good this year.

None of them had been booted from 2 clubs with anything like the issues Holland's has but, not even Stengle.

 

[Crow till I die]

Don’t write off young “bigs” too early. Classic mistake.

192cm powerful forward type - needs to be given the time to show what his level is.

Obviously has some of the desirable traits you look for in a forward, let’s wait and see where he develops before chopping him off the list.

He still has a lot of unrealised potential in my eyes. Until we see a clear end to his development curve - I’d be holding his card in the deck.

Happy to have that list spot for him for a few seasons to see if he can reach that potential

 

[Mutineer]

Agree .....that said, we need to see if Welsh can apply himself to the work ethic required of a professional footballer

In my mind, he has all the traits to make it .....but does he have the desire ?

As Mutineer has said, so far that aspect has been missing, given 2 years already under Burgess / Crows environment

Let's face it AFL recruiters all saw Tyler as somewhat of a longshot or he would have received a bid and not still been there at pick 59. I had hoped he might be a Jake Stringer type forward on what I saw of his junior career, never really saw him as a legitimate key forward chance. Charlie West was there if we wanted a true KPF and he has shown a heap more than Tyler in his 1st season dominating VFL games and has another string to his bow in that he is a legitimate chop out ruck option.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Let's face it AFL recruiters all saw Tyler as somewhat of a longshot or he would have received a bid and not still been there at pick 59. I had hoped he might be a Jake Stringer type forward on what I saw of his junior career, never really saw him as a legitimate key forward chance.

Welsh was always a clone of his father, disguised in puppy fat .....when AFL fit, his body shape would more correspond to his dads, and he has the same speed & hands of Scott

Scott also wasn't a big track worker ....hopefully, the threat of losing his list spot will spur Tyler

 

[maxlilly]

I wonder now with Chris Burgess

21

Chris Burgess

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.2

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.4

3star

not there up forward, that we may look for Welsh more next season ?
Or does Maley become that target now ?

I also don't think our game plan suits a leading forward, we seem to prefer the big bomb into the F50

 

[Mutineer]

I wonder now with Chris Burgess not there up forward, that we may look for Welsh more next season ?
Or does Maley become that target now ?

I also don't think our game plan suits a leading forward, we seem to prefer the big bomb into the F50

I think you've answered your own question.

 

[Soggy2112]

He's actually had 2 years under Burgess given he left his schooling/education and spent most of the 2024 season with the Crows. He's appearing more like a longshot to make it on anything he's shown this far and Maley joining the squad won't make it any easier I wouldn't think? I guess we'll find out early next season if he's made any significant headway.

I agree that if you asked me to call it right now whether he makes it or not, I’d say he won’t.

Externally, it’d be hard to know how his physical development is tracking. They could be finding out that he just doesn’t have the necessary physical traits, alternatively, they could be monitoring things and feel he’s progressing nicely and needs another year or two. Hopefully they’ll be in a good position to make the right judgement at the end of his contract next year.

If it is a case of him lacking fitness and needing to build that up so he can use his speed and power, that’s going to take longer than 2 years.

If we needed to cut a contracted player for whatever reason, I think we know far more to make a call on Borlase, Sholl and Jones than we do Welsh.

I think Welsh is the kind of player that would benefit if clubs went back to using their rookie lists the way they’re supposed to.

 

[Coopers]

I wonder now with Chris Burgess

21

Chris Burgess

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.2

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.4

3star

not there up forward, that we may look for Welsh more next season ?
Or does Maley become that target now ?

I also don't think our game plan suits a leading forward, we seem to prefer the big bomb into the F50

You'd think we'd be better at crumbing the ball then.

One of the standout things for me from the 2025 season was how often we can create a contest, the ball falls to the front of the pack and it's swept away by an oppo player.