Autopsy 2025 Rd 1 Most Embarrassing Loss in Years

[CCurnow3picks]

Just a horrific train wreck you could see coming very slowly - clear as day.

Haynes was disastrous.

Harry was really poor.

Cerra, Walsh & Hewett dissapeared.

Thank god for Cripps & Weitering.

I want to see how they respond.

A big week ahead.

 

[Ezayyak]

I genuinely get surprised when we string 3 or 4 quick overlapping handballs and kicks together. The fact I find myself shocked at what any half decent team does 30 or 40 times a game is a sad realisation that we do not play AFL level tactics.

I equally get shocked when we attack inside 50 and we find a player in space on a short kick. It is laughable.

I just cannot believe we did not evolve one iota over the summer. We were 60-0 down in a final, you don't go 60-0 down in a final unless you have no method of moving the ball when things are not going your way.

We can bag St Kilda and the Bombers as much as we want but in this century St Kilda has outperformed us by light years and we have broke even with Essendon. We are not talking a small time span, we are talking about 25 years, a quarter of a century.

 

[ESKIE]

Anybody read any of the Age's pieces this week? Sack the coach, board, football management...
We have to go past that, back in Vossie and his team, it's the players who don't read the memo's....

Ok


What memos ?

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

That's our 2025 season off to a very bad and ominous start.

I can only hope we improve as the season goes on, but in regards to hoping for signs that things will be different this year this most certainly is a very disappointing and embarrassing defeat.

 

[RAPPA]

I'm done with Voss now.

There's literally zero improvement in the game and it's his 4th year with the group.

Outcoached again. This time by a guy in his second year. The standards keep dropping.

We have really faltered by not looking deep at the coaching set up and bringing in quality and experienced personnel around Voss. Our assistant coaches ain't much chop. And Voss is a poor match day coach with little tactical nous. Basically the diametrical contrast to Sam Mitchell.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Biggest loss of all is Newman…he was holding this rabble together

next one up...............................

 

[Faz 2000]

How bad was Adam Saad tonight. Disposal is cooked, can't kick the footy

He’s so dumb. Runs off sideways, then has a think about what he’s trying to do… which it turns out is either hit up an opponent or blast it high, blindly, wildly forwards.

One of 17 other players who appear to have no clear idea what our ball movement plan is.

The only time we look certain of what we want to do (apparently) is when the backline is kicking it backwards or sideways, which then falls apart because the footskills are no good.

 

[jpfalvo]

Same coaching panel for three years. Same problems

I simply dont get it.

With Voss, surely after losing his job at Brisbane and 10years at Port, he has a drive to succeed

How do you accept a poor coaching panel.

Unless you are a poor judge of talent yourself.


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[Coops93]

We’ve got a few “Bambi’s” floating around this club that are not allowed to be shot.

Any time you get too critical of the list and single out individuals you get shot down. We've carried guys who aren't good enough for years because we like them.

 

[kreuze_missile]

40 inside 50's for 2 goals at one stage. Debacle

Our forward line is Charlie Curnow and a bunch of guys with primetime seats.

Fogarty doesn't kick goals. Or do much else other than tackle.

Motlop is a crumbing forward who doesn't know how to crumb.

Williams loves a cheap goal. Will kick all the easy ones Owies used to, but offers little else.

McKay is a key forward who is intent on only putting up one hand in contests.

4 goals against a historically bad WCE doesn't mean Kemp is now a viable forward option.

TDK should have been rested forward - wasn't.

JSOS should have been moved earler - took two full quarters of not scoring to happen.


The fact that Moir can't get a game ahead of some of these guys is criminal.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

There is was so much that was wrong tonight - but don’t understand the negativity towards SOS. Tried his absolute heart out. Solid first game in defence and looked our only dangerous forward when he did go forward late.

SOS should be off limits in terms of criticism tonight...

The blokes that should be under fire in no particular order:

• Harry
• Doc (seriously, you're fresh and you can't hit a 2m hb?)
• Gov
• Haynes
• Motlop
• Kemp
• Fogarty
• Cottrell

These blokes were dreadful tonight, but particularly because I expected so much more from them.

 

[Bluella]

Dumb and lazy football from players that should be better.

 

[btdg]

I turned off halfway through the last quarter.....I knew we were going to lose...
Wow...just wow...

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I stayed to the end of every game when we were at our worst. I left tonight. It was just putrid.

Some thoughts:

1. The players are not happy. I don't know what the issues are, but the body language from start to finish was atrocious. Pre-game, they barely spoke. The forward/mid/defensive groups were miles apart and never came togehter pre-game. When Kemp got clocked twice in the first quarter, no-one went in to defend him. When Evans kicked his first goal for the club he got one half-hearted congrats, then someone belatedly waved the others in. By the end of the game players openly did not give a shit and were just waving goals through for Richmond with barely a sigh. No one flew the flag at all, and plenty took short steps when the ball was there to be won. Huge red flags there.

2. The players are not fit. McKay was clearly not fit and was used as a decoy. He spent 3/4 of the game in the forward pocket. As soon as Richmond adjusted to this at half time, we had zero chance of scoring, and he belatedly went to full forward (and actually almost snagged a couple). He couldn't run. Of course, we played him 96% game time and put him in the ruck. Docherty is miles off, both in fitness and confidence. JSOS was proppy from start to finish. Walsh - is an utter shadow of what he was (I hope he is just unfit, but sadly think it is more than that).

3/. We lined up for the match with at least 6 players in new roles: Kemp (converted forward), JSOS (converted defender), Hollands (converted to defence) Camporeale, Haynes, Evans, plus Cottrell (playing forward), Williams (converted forward), etc. Too much instability - when the going got tough, the players had no idea what to do.

4. Our forward setup was just disgusting. I mean, whoever is responsible for that clearly has no idea what they are doing. As above, McKay was playing as a decoy. Kemp was also just... no-where. 83% game time, but he had 2 touches and 0 shots at goal after quarter time. But weirdly, even in the first quarter Kemp was leading short to the pocket, and our main marking target was Williams deep. As soon as Richmond figured out what we were doing and switched a taller defender across they totally shut us down.

Most of the game, our setup was what I'd call 'primary school kids lining up for assembly'. Not only were McKay and Kemp starting in awful spots, but 10 meters in front of them was a team-mate. Everyone was clustered in a line, but then nobody made a lead or any sort of move. Richmond had tall defenders everywhere so tehy had absolutely zero space to lead, if they wanted to, which it turns out they mostly didn't. I have literally no idea what Fogarty and Evans are supposed to be doing as forwards, because it isn't kicking goals, getting the ball, tackling, or trying to mark it. Mostly they seem to be experts at corralling the opposition, which is a long way down the list of relevant footy skills

If you really squint at the stats you can see that we had 53 more disposals, won contested possessions by 20+, had 25 more inside 50s, converted our inside 50s into scores at a reasonable rate (38%) and had 12 fewer turnovers. We also had a solid 70 tackles and had 10 inside 50 (more than Richmond).

Those stats are an utter lie - the team looked broken in very similar ways to mid 2023. That is; totally shellshocked, completely in their shell and sitting behind the ball defensively; completely unable to score, and mostly conceding goals from horrible defensive mistakes - but making enough of those to lose comfortably every week while not scoring more than 70 as a team. And this was a comfortable loss - once Richmond blew the cobwebs off they handled us for 3/4 of the match by 5 goals.

It's bleak, to be honest. We will get smashed by Hawthorn next week. Then the Bulldogs and Collingwood. Getting Charlie back might help, but add another one to the not fit camp. I dunno, it's pretty demoralising.

 

[Pedro Stressful]

The hubris!!!!

 

[Pater44]

I can’t think of a worse Carlton debut by a player than that

To be honest... I'm pretty sure Acres had a game to forget when he 1st joined us... it's 1 game...

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[Blue4Life]

Looking at 0-4 then maybe beating the eagles

 

[kreuze_missile]

SOS should be off limits in terms of criticism tonight...

Was very good. At both ends.

Hope he starts forward next week.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Just a horrific train wreck you could see coming very slowly - clear as day.

Haynes was disastrous.

Harry was really poor.

Cerra, Walsh & Hewett dissapeared.

Thank god for Cripps & Weitering.

I want to see how they respond.

A big week ahead.

This is the big alarm bells for me...

I listed a plethora of players out there tonight that were dreadful. I didn't include these three, because whilst they weren't dreadful, they performed the disappearing act and because of that, we had no way back to regain momentum.

The midfield is our biggest area of concern because these guys just can't step up. I know it's one game into the season but they played a pack of kids tonight. No excuses.

 

[Gw2_James]

Sps, Dow, Obrien, stocker.... Just a few 1st rd draft picks that we messed up over the years. Just imagine if two of them became good footballers, how different we would look. Sos ruined our rebuild and I'm of the honest opinion that this list isn't going anywhere quick. Trade some of our older stars out that have currency (Mckay for example) and do a mini rebuild before it's too late!

 

[JustaBattler]

you gotta laugh - thats all I've got and lucky for me I love playing golf more than watching football.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

To be honest... I'm pretty sure Acres had a game to forget when he 1st joined us... it's 1 game...

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Acres wasn't 33 years old...

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Our unbalanced list is continually gonna come back and bite us on the bum again and again.

We have an unhealthy reliance on our A Graders like Cripps and Weiters and Charlie and Harry and Walsh and Saad - but the reality is that below them are a bunch of plodders. If one or more of our A Graders aren't firing, then we get shown up big time - especially against a side which are young and hungry and have no fear of failure.

There's a reason why you can pick up cheap players though free agency, and tonight it showed.

Tonight we got shown up by a side that were younger, hungrier and more desperate than us, and the wheels just fell off when they tightened the screws. Take Cripps and Weiters out of that line up tonight and it would have been a 10 goal loss.

I have no idea what the answer is, but what I do know is that we don't have a premiership list.

 

[Gethelred]

It is difficult to truly depict the completeness of tonight's failure adequately, so I won't bother. Sayer's escapades and replacement as president; Lij's absence this week; Jagga's and a myriad of other player's injuries, despite the resurfacing of IKON; all of that pales in comparison to what was presented tonight.

Every single year we play Richmond round 1, and every year they get up for it. Their 22 is primed; while players from those three flags still pull on the jumper, there is no fear in them of us. And why would they fear us? We've never pantsed them, not properly; we've won games, but at no point have we a) clinically or systemically cut them to pieces and/or b) knocked them around like an older brother.

Nankervis has always played TDK by blocking his run. I said it two years ago, I said it last year, and I'll say it again: TDK can get all the disposals he likes, he'll never be as useful with the ball as a small will. He needs to have an impact in the air, and the way he does that is he stops trying to go around Nankervis and rucks who impede his path and instead raises his knee, uses his leap, and goes right the **** through them. Nail them a few times in the throat and heart with that leap and his front knee, and they'll stop getting in the way. Indeed, this particular pattern continues team wide; we are bigger, stronger than Richmond across the board, so why in utter **** don't we play like it???

At every contest, their first port of call is smashing into us; knock us off our line, off the ball, off our feet. Bump or scrag; whatever it takes to avert or pressure that first contest. It's been happening for years, and there's a single person responsible for our response there. No-one else directs the assistants in any direction.

Harry McKay from last year slots those set shots with a drop punt. What in utter bug**** has he been doing all summer to be kicking round the corner again? Last year against Brisbane, he slotted a long goal to win the game in Opening Round; he can absolutely do it, so what's changed? If Jack was working as a defender, why send him forward only in the last 10 minutes? Why can't Motlop read an aerial ball to the point of refusing to fly when it's his turn, and why are we kicking to him and two Richmond players?

Ultimately, we lost the game due to poor errors made in back half and an inability to score cleanly after the first term.

I have one more thing to say. Comments like this:

Anyone who tries to analyse the dogshit served up by this pissweak club is even more cooked than they are …

... are more or less directly insulting.

I don't know what I did to you, RB, to make you despise me in such a way as to attack me before I've even posted. I rather don't think I deserve it, nor do I think others who would seek out reasons why this happened deserve it either.

We deserve better than tonight's result, but that does not entail that we need attack each other in the process.

 

[Loose at HB]

Nothing I can say that hasn’t already been said

Diabolical all around.
Played one quarter of okay football and then quite literally bullied physically and mentally by a bunch of kids for the remaining three

Rest of the AFL has the blueprint - put us under any pressure and we will crumble as will our systems

Richmond set up to pressure us, play chaos ball and then beat us out the back after we inevitably bombed long into our forward 50 every single time - and it worked, and there was not a single adaptation from the coaches box with the exception of sending JSOS forward late (who looked better in 15 mins than H and Kemp did all game)

No positives to take. No amount of Voss spin will fix this

Haynes was absolutely shocking and if he suits up against Hawthorn in a week he must have incriminating pictures of our MC

 

[Blue4Life]

Acres living off one goal (that he nearly missed)…2 disposals in the final quarter…50% disposal efficiency…generally throws it on the boot with his eyes closed…