It's funny because they're both premiership players and Hawkins tore you apart last year in the prelim.
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It's funny because they're both premiership players and Hawkins tore you apart last year in the prelim.
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I wish i had the opportunity the watch the game.
Can't believe there was no coverage of the game in WA. Not even a replay.
Disgrace. PS. Well done Pies.
Can't believe there was no coverage of the game in WA. Not even a replay.
Disgrace. PS. Well done Pies.
So much said by so many people who don't have a clue about football.
Firstly, Collingwood won the contested possession count tonight by 40 (144-104). That is a smacking in anyone's language and would suggest that the beaten team was rather soft in the contest. Now I've been watching and enjoying these Cats for the past 3 and a bit years and I know for a fact they are far from soft. The only thing I know more than that, is that the next time (IF it actually happens) the Cats wont be beaten inside like they were tonight.
Offsetting this is the wasteful performance from a few of Collingwood's forwards, and the often overlooked fact that Collingwood, a heavy rotating team, was down to 21 men for essentially 3 and a half quarters. Adding to this the player off was Ben Reid, a tall defender who going into the game would've reasonably expected to play 90-100% game time.
Therefore, to beat a fantastic, full strength side the way Collingwood did was a monumental achievement. Especially so after the Cats hummed into action in the second quarter, and amazingly led at half time and a for a good portion of the third.
The Cats were killed in the midfield. The question is how can such a brilliant midfield be so clearly beaten and why? Having watched the Cats closely for a long time, the thing missing tonight was the work off the ball. Blocks and shephards were scarcely seen and it seems they are all playing a little too fancy, wanting the handball receive rather than the hardball get. Before Cats fans go crazy, I am not saying these players are soft, I just think they have fallen into some lazy habits, that no doubt will be smacked out of them at training by Bomber over the next few weeks.
Paul Chapman is an incredibly overrated midfield player. He is a wonderful kick and as such he is fed the ball (much like Ablett) at any opportunity, but he rarely wins the contested ball at stoppages unless it is handballed to him. His work for his teammates tonight was dreadful (no chasing, blocking) and it seemed whenever Chappy was on the ball, his Collingwood man (Didak, Swan) would chop the Cats up along the boundary. I would suggest to Bomber a return of Chappy forward 70% and Ablett midfield 70% would give the cats a little more around the contest. I am not disputing Chapman's class, I just think he wins more important ball forward. It doesn't seem a problem when the Cats are purring, but it is blatantly obvious when they are not.
Joel Selwood's attack on the ball tonight was breathtaking, but his overall effectiveness was nullified by Luke Ball. It is something Selwood will have to learn to deal with over the next few years as he becomes the no.1 mid for the Cats.
Ablett was probably the best of the Cats midfielders tonight, but he failed to really ignite, probably due to his mind actively aware that Dane Swan was his opponent and that Swan can be almost equally damaging the other way, plus Collingwood's tackling around the clearances was really strong. I thought Swan was the better player, but not by much.
And so that leaves Joel Corey, Jimmy Bartel, Cameron Ling and James Kelly. Kelly was very good at times, but he, like other Geelong midfielders allowed his opponent to run off and set up goals (Daisy Thomas was a much more damaging player on the night).
Jimmy Bartel is a star, but looked half fit, and Joel Corey is a real problem coming towards the finals. For his sake I hope he gets the touch and fitness back, but he looked a long way from it tonight.
Scott Pendlebury comprehensively beat Cameron Ling tonight, and that deosn't happen often. Ling looks slower when those around him fail to run the lines and tonight the Cats were caught playing predictable "Ling small feed off" football which the Pies read and dually pressurized the Cats because of.
Collingwood can beat the Cats in a final. Those who say the Pies gameplan needs to stand up in big games are simply morons. The Collingwood gameplan is made FOR finals football. It is all about winning contested footy and pressurizing. It is the Cats slick ball movement through the middle of the ground which is risky in finals football because the pressure is greater. Now I wouldn't for one minute think the Cats are not able to do it. they have far too much class and ability to dismiss them, but they know now that they will have to be at their best against the Pies (amongst others) if they are to win 3 premierships that their H&A dominance over the last four years probably suggests they should.
And on this point, everyone keeps talking about the Cats and there big game performers, and the PROVEN final performers. But for mine, they have been far more dominant during the home and away than they have been in finals.
Remember they lost to Hawthorn when they (on ability) should have won, they scraped over the line against Collingwood (07) when they were a Flemington straight better than those Pies, and last season they jumped the Dogs and held on, but were far from impressive in seeing out the game, and then they slaughtered a spent Collingwood team. If you remember to halftime in the Prelim last year it was still tight too and in all seriousness they were lucky to beat the Saints in the GF. (Ms Schneider and Milne). How exactly does that equate to them being such brilliant big game performers? I would suggest on their complete domination of the league over the past four years, their finals displays have been a little sub par. Still, they are premiership favorites in nearly everyones mind, and still deserve to be, because there best, if they can reach it in September, is unstoppable.
Fascinating game, let's hope there will be a round three.
Firstly, Collingwood won the contested possession count tonight by 40 (144-104). That is a smacking in anyone's language and would suggest that the beaten team was rather soft in the contest. Now I've been watching and enjoying these Cats for the past 3 and a bit years and I know for a fact they are far from soft. The only thing I know more than that, is that the next time (IF it actually happens) the Cats wont be beaten inside like they were tonight.
Offsetting this is the wasteful performance from a few of Collingwood's forwards, and the often overlooked fact that Collingwood, a heavy rotating team, was down to 21 men for essentially 3 and a half quarters. Adding to this the player off was Ben Reid, a tall defender who going into the game would've reasonably expected to play 90-100% game time.
Therefore, to beat a fantastic, full strength side the way Collingwood did was a monumental achievement. Especially so after the Cats hummed into action in the second quarter, and amazingly led at half time and a for a good portion of the third.
The Cats were killed in the midfield. The question is how can such a brilliant midfield be so clearly beaten and why? Having watched the Cats closely for a long time, the thing missing tonight was the work off the ball. Blocks and shephards were scarcely seen and it seems they are all playing a little too fancy, wanting the handball receive rather than the hardball get. Before Cats fans go crazy, I am not saying these players are soft, I just think they have fallen into some lazy habits, that no doubt will be smacked out of them at training by Bomber over the next few weeks.
Paul Chapman is an incredibly overrated midfield player. He is a wonderful kick and as such he is fed the ball (much like Ablett) at any opportunity, but he rarely wins the contested ball at stoppages unless it is handballed to him. His work for his teammates tonight was dreadful (no chasing, blocking) and it seemed whenever Chappy was on the ball, his Collingwood man (Didak, Swan) would chop the Cats up along the boundary. I would suggest to Bomber a return of Chappy forward 70% and Ablett midfield 70% would give the cats a little more around the contest. I am not disputing Chapman's class, I just think he wins more important ball forward. It doesn't seem a problem when the Cats are purring, but it is blatantly obvious when they are not.
Joel Selwood's attack on the ball tonight was breathtaking, but his overall effectiveness was nullified by Luke Ball. It is something Selwood will have to learn to deal with over the next few years as he becomes the no.1 mid for the Cats.
Ablett was probably the best of the Cats midfielders tonight, but he failed to really ignite, probably due to his mind actively aware that Dane Swan was his opponent and that Swan can be almost equally damaging the other way, plus Collingwood's tackling around the clearances was really strong. I thought Swan was the better player, but not by much.
And so that leaves Joel Corey, Jimmy Bartel, Cameron Ling and James Kelly. Kelly was very good at times, but he, like other Geelong midfielders allowed his opponent to run off and set up goals (Daisy Thomas was a much more damaging player on the night).
Jimmy Bartel is a star, but looked half fit, and Joel Corey is a real problem coming towards the finals. For his sake I hope he gets the touch and fitness back, but he looked a long way from it tonight.
Scott Pendlebury comprehensively beat Cameron Ling tonight, and that deosn't happen often. Ling looks slower when those around him fail to run the lines and tonight the Cats were caught playing predictable "Ling small feed off" football which the Pies read and dually pressurized the Cats because of.
Collingwood can beat the Cats in a final. Those who say the Pies gameplan needs to stand up in big games are simply morons. The Collingwood gameplan is made FOR finals football. It is all about winning contested footy and pressurizing. It is the Cats slick ball movement through the middle of the ground which is risky in finals football because the pressure is greater. Now I wouldn't for one minute think the Cats are not able to do it. they have far too much class and ability to dismiss them, but they know now that they will have to be at their best against the Pies (amongst others) if they are to win 3 premierships that their H&A dominance over the last four years probably suggests they should.
And on this point, everyone keeps talking about the Cats and there big game performers, and the PROVEN final performers. But for mine, they have been far more dominant during the home and away than they have been in finals.
Remember they lost to Hawthorn when they (on ability) should have won, they scraped over the line against Collingwood (07) when they were a Flemington straight better than those Pies, and last season they jumped the Dogs and held on, but were far from impressive in seeing out the game, and then they slaughtered a spent Collingwood team. If you remember to halftime in the Prelim last year it was still tight too and in all seriousness they were lucky to beat the Saints in the GF. (Ms Schneider and Milne). How exactly does that equate to them being such brilliant big game performers? I would suggest on their complete domination of the league over the past four years, their finals displays have been a little sub par. Still, they are premiership favorites in nearly everyones mind, and still deserve to be, because there best, if they can reach it in September, is unstoppable.
Fascinating game, let's hope there will be a round three.
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Yeah well what you haven't seen before is a Collingwood team as strong as this one.Not in the last decade anyway.
Sounds as if the Cats hit em with everything they had and that wasn’t good enough, Not a huge Pie fan but credit where it's due, not many better ways to go into September than having just beaten the comp's yard stick, what more are they meant to do?
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Well done to the Pies. & well done to Farang for smashing lots of thai box.
Maybe he's there for the temples, and to sai bah, or to eat pla tong gho and kai mhot.
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Rubbish. There was no intent of malice in that incident. Corey seemed to drop the ball as much as Toov knocked it out of his hands, the former looking far more deliberate than the latter. If umpires gave 50m every time something like that happened, there'd be far more of them.
top post, Fairandbalanced.
Hawkins certainly was out there. Surely you would have seen him?
Pretty hard to miss someone who has only one less disposal than All Australian Neon Leon.
He even had 3 more tackles than Neon.
Not sure how you could have missed that.
but wait, haven't you seen Wallsy' A-grade list?
Hawkins certainly was out there. Surely you would have seen him?
Pretty hard to miss someone who has only one less disposal than All Australian Neon Leon.
He even had 3 more tackles than Neon.
Not sure how you could have missed that.
But I saw leon still harrassing and involved in contests where there were turnovers. What did Hawkins do?
Seem to remember a similar scenario happening last year with the saints in the pies place.
the crows beat geelong not that long ago remember
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It was a great win by collingwood. They played at their absolute peak all night while Geelong barely got out of second.
I'm more than confident we will bring our A game to the finals stage.
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You are kidding right? Geelong have won 8 of their past 9 finals including 2 flags.
That is the definition of finals dominance.
You got that bit right.
Good win last night, but spare us the historical revisionism.
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That is such a bullshit cliche response by a beaten opposition supporter.
If Geelong didn't get out of second, it's only because Collingwood didn't allow them to.
Geelong didn't lose, they got comprehensively beaten.
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This is partially true. However you can't deny Geelong was experimenting last night. We only played about half our deck.
I'm very confident should we meet in the finals you will see the Geelong team line up and play like the one that thrashed you in last year's prelim.
if the above is true i'm not the least bit surprised by this...a loss against collingwood will do more for geelongs chances than a win would've...i think bomber may have been trying to really put the fire in them come finals...
collingwood were very good...but i wouldn't expect such a lop sided game come the GF...geelong WILL come back...it'll be about how collingwood responds when geelong lift their game...they showed tonight that they can respond and respond well...will they be able to do it in the GF against an improved geelong? <-- that's the question that will have to be answered by collingwood...
I can't help but think the win may have collingwood feeling a little too assured of themselves, which could be disasterous...
and for people saying "if only collingwood kicked straight"...it's been a constant problem for collingwood this season, if anything, it's likely to get worse in finals <-- huge worry for the pies...it hasn't been a problem thus far due to you're dominance...but finals are a different story...you'll be playing the best, there will be more pressure, and games will be alot tighter...when everything's going your way and you miss a few, it doesn't really matter... but when the games there to be won, and you have to make the most of your opportunities and the ball ends up in clokes hands in front of goal to pull back a defecit... and he misses a gimme... everyone's heads will drop, it could be really deflating for the whole team... collingwood could really be their own worst enemy come finals...
can collingwood win the flag...definitely but with teams like geelong, saints & bulldogs... noone's assured the flag...
as a neutral, i'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the ride...gonna be some amazing games throughout the finals series...and for the first time in quite a few years.... whoever wins it, they would've done so against 3 great teams... if geelong win it, it'd definitely be the jewel in the crown
Gotta agree with this.
The scoreboard did not reflect the true dominance the pies had over their opponents.
I've been saying this for months now, but I think that this is going to be the pies year. They play the ultimate team game.
I hope I'm wrong!!!!
