Player Watch #41: Jacob Konstanty

[Kangaroos4eva]

At what point do we lift our standards from 'decent enough'?

I apply the youth standard to guys like JK. Give him another year to raise the standard.

Needs a partner in crime. Payne may be it.

 

[scottywiper]

Yep, with the aid of the tele and hindsight .... In the Larkey thread he is being urged to lead at the ball .... JK was trying to honour that lead. Best option, hindsight says no, but it was doing what we are calling for. Trying to hit up a leading forward.

Twas a bad kick by Konstanty. Larkey had separation if he kicked it boundary side. His kick allowed Payne back into it.

 

[rickety]

Twas a bad kick by Konstanty. Larkey had separation if he kicked it boundary side. His kick allowed Payne back into it.

Pretty much what I said though. Half a yard the other side and he's fine. That fullback is decent too, has Larkey in his back pocket

 

[bennymate]

Is only 20 years old... reckon we've got one here.

 

[kool kangas]

He's played under half a eason with us so l would be giving him more time. He's doing some nice things atm and l think we'll see an improved JK next season..

 

[tazaa]

He simply took the low percentage option which was to kick it to Larkey.

My frustration is that we had clearly been better in open play than the set shot. Handball to Stephens and I’d back him to hit up one of the other donkeys in the forward line.

He will learn from it but my frustration lies with Larkey, Jy, Parker and so many others who butchered shots at goal throughout the day.
We kicked ourselves out of it. Simple as that.

 

[Forever North]

Don’t mind him considering he’s only played 9 games. Bit of an extrovert which this team needs. Has the potential to become a pain in the arse type for opposition teams.

 

[Psicosis]

Rekn that may be his best game for the club thus far.

Not annoyed at him re that final moment. Our entire side regularly do not use the overlap handball. It’s a club issue not a Konstanty issue. Hopefully they all watch the tape and can kick the disgusting habit of defaulting to just throwing it on the boot.

 

[RobZombie]

At what point do we lift our standards from 'decent enough'?

For what it’s worth, I was having a think about this. I’ve always thought that adding goals + goal assists was a decent measure of a forward’s output - especially general forwards - and since we also want small forwards to tackle, why not just add up the 3 numbers?

It’s a crude stat and might benefit from adjustments in ways I’m not smart enough to figure out, but it does pass the eye test of players you generally think of as “good” coming out at the top of the list. For this season (as at a couple of weeks ago) 23 general forwards are averaging 5 or better. 23 also managed 5 or better over the whole of last season. More than 6.5 seems to be elite.



It should be within expectations for JK to come up to the standard of a goal, an assist and 3 tackles a week. Expecting him to suddenly become a 30+ goal small forward is I think missing the point. By my reckoning he’s done 5 or better in 3 out of 9 games. So he’s capable but needs to build consistency, which isn’t hard to imagine a 9-gamer is likely to do.

 

[Joshen]

For what it’s worth, I was having a think about this. I’ve always thought that adding goals + goal assists was a decent measure of a forward’s output - especially general forwards - and since we also want small forwards to tackle, why not just add up the 3 numbers?

It’s a crude stat and might benefit from adjustments in ways I’m not smart enough to figure out, but it does pass the eye test of players you generally think of as “good” coming out at the top of the list. For this season (as at a couple of weeks ago) 23 general forwards are averaging 5 or better. 23 also managed 5 or better over the whole of last season. More than 6.5 seems to be elite.

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It should be within expectations for JK to come up to the standard of a goal, an assist and 3 tackles a week. Expecting him to suddenly become a 30+ goal small forward is I think missing the point. By my reckoning he’s done 5 or better in 3 out of 9 games. So he’s capable but needs to build consistency, which isn’t hard to imagine a 9-gamer is likely to do.

Great post. If I were to quibble I would say that you would downgrade the value of tackles (they're not as important as goals) and shift to score assists (you can't control where your team mate kicks it).

My off-handed comment has generated a bit of discussion. Good! It was not meant to target JK (who arguably played his best game for us thus far), it was more a general comment about lifting our expectations. Persistent losses can deaden ambition and I have a general concern that across the playing group we don't have the drive to hold ourselves to the highest standard and implicitly accept some level of mediocrity.

 

[Whereitallbegan]

Certainly not worth hanging the kid on a non given handball when he has his full forward leading at him. Plenty of other stuff ups from everyone along the course of the game.

Agreed. 5 kicks that went out on the full next to the point post during the game is one or should I say 5 cases in point, only 1 had to score to change the result.

 

[Whereitallbegan]

He simply took the low percentage option which was to kick it to Larkey.

My frustration is that we had clearly been better in open play than the set shot. Handball to Stephens and I’d back him to hit up one of the other donkeys in the forward line.

He will learn from it but my frustration lies with Larkey, Jy, Parker and so many others who butchered shots at goal throughout the day.
We kicked ourselves out of it. Simple as that.

Yep, 2 posters and 5 kicks out on the full next to the behind post…anyone of those 5 score, we win, not to mention other costly **** ups

 

[Whereitallbegan]

This.

Dead set, his last four games:

5 disposals, two tackles, one behind
6 disposals, two tackles, one behind
4 disposals, three tackles, one goal
8 disposals, one tackle, one goal.

He's got the ball 10 or more times twice, and kicked multiple goals once. In half of his games this year he's failed to kick a goal (lucky he got one junk goal v Carlton when the game was over)

That's absolutely not good enough. Tough and classy? ****ing lol that's peak delusion.

So after today’s game, what you’re actually saying is….he’s building!

And here I was, thinking you were peeved at his efforts.

 

[Ardent Roo]

Seen enough of him for a while, not against a trigger for 2026, but would prefer to see Payne have a go.

 

[Devski]

Comparable stats to Kako. You can make the argument he should be further along but it’s pretty obvious he had a dog shit run at the swans.

I hope we persist. He’s got some campaigner about him which is more than you get from most of our players for that position.

Geordie walked past me at the game and he is still rake thin. I had such high hopes for him this year but I don’t think he’s ready. His VFL numbers support that

 

[backtothedraft]

Loved a few of his moments last night, particularly the follow up after the dropped mark. He made a number of mistakes throughout the game that are forgivable for someone of his experience, but he competes hard and has had some good games this year. He should continue to get a run with the lack of options we have in his role. I'd like to see Payne come in and play alongside him rather than replace him.

 

[DesertRoo]

Loved a few of his moments last night, particularly the follow up after the dropped mark. He made a number of mistakes throughout the game that are forgivable for someone of his experience, but he competes hard and has had some good games this year. He should continue to get a run with the lack of options we have in his role. I'd like to see Payne come in and play alongside him rather than replace him.

What is he 19/20? with 9 games?
ease up

 

[backtothedraft]

What is he 19/20? with 9 games?
ease up

That's what i said. We're in agreeance.

 

[DesertRoo]

That's what i said. We're in agreeance.

LOL Im so used to the negativity spouted on here my dyslexic brain read unforgivable, even after I reread it slowly.

good call by the way.
we need some more pressure not less.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

LOL Im so used to the negativity spouted on here my dyslexic brain read unforgivable, even after I reread it.

good call by the way.
we need some more pressure not less.

I read it that way too, it's gonna be hard to break this conditioning.

 

[DesertRoo]

I read it that way too, it's gonna be hard to break this conditioning.

Talk of the players being scarred, us supporters have been doing this dance for a decade now.

genuinely conditioned into negativity.

 

[Themanbun]

For what it’s worth, I was having a think about this. I’ve always thought that adding goals + goal assists was a decent measure of a forward’s output - especially general forwards - and since we also want small forwards to tackle, why not just add up the 3 numbers?

It’s a crude stat and might benefit from adjustments in ways I’m not smart enough to figure out, but it does pass the eye test of players you generally think of as “good” coming out at the top of the list. For this season (as at a couple of weeks ago) 23 general forwards are averaging 5 or better. 23 also managed 5 or better over the whole of last season. More than 6.5 seems to be elite.

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It should be within expectations for JK to come up to the standard of a goal, an assist and 3 tackles a week. Expecting him to suddenly become a 30+ goal small forward is I think missing the point. By my reckoning he’s done 5 or better in 3 out of 9 games. So he’s capable but needs to build consistency, which isn’t hard to imagine a 9-gamer is likely to do.

I like it. I reckon score involvements slightly better than goal assists though because it still credits them even though the finishing is out of their hands. Tackles inside 50 is another. Crumbs another.

For example my best eye test small forwards (excluding the likes of Greene, Keays) are:

Higgins: 1.9 + 5.9 + 1.4 + 2.6 = 11.8
Mannagh: 1.2 + 6.5 + 2 + 1.3 = 11.0
Curtis: 1.3 + 6.9 + 2.6 + 2.6 = 13.4
Humphrey: 1.6 + 6.6 + 1 + 0.8 = 9.8
Hill: 1.6 + 5.3 + 0.9 + 1.7 = 9.5
Schulz: 0.8 + 6.2 + 2.7 + 0.8 = 10.5

Crumb + Score involvement + Tackles inside 50 + goals

 

[rickety]

Lol to the sooky richmond bloke a few rows down who sooked up when JK snuck one in, much to my own joy and amusement ....

 

[TruRoo]

Seven disposals, a goal and two tackles - he’s still not doing enough

 

[amaz199]

He stays in. There were a few occasions he won a crucial ball and is a clean one touch footballer.