Player Watch #5: Caleb Daniel

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I don’t want him playing deep is the point.

Yesterday we had Colby being tagged by Keays who killed him going the other way and then Daniel got played deeper as a result.

Killed us and pivotal in us losing the game.

I know we were light on personnel wise but tactically this worked against us yesterday and is something that needs to be rectified over the summer.

As soon as Keays goes to McKercher, alarm bells needed to go off in the box.

Alas, they did not and he had a significant impact on the lead they managed to eek out.

 

[tazaa]

As soon as Keays goes to McKercher, alarm bells needed to go off in the box.

Alas, they did not and he had a significant impact on the lead they managed to eke out.

Clarko should have moved Kerch to the wing or on ball or forward even.
Did nothing.

 

[Moti]

Moti Season Review:

Rating: C+

Was brought in (at great cost) as a calming influence in defence that can set the play up but too often panicked and turned the ball over. Was a defensive liability that was suprisingly not taken advantage of enough. Showed in na couple of games what he can do when attacking but has thrown the balance off back there.

Pre-Season focus: The rack?

Projected 2026 position: AFL/VFL bubble HB/HF

 

[Chip Scab1]

Physically unable to compete when the opposition has the ball.

His flailing attempt to tackle in the third a highlight.

Could he be the permanent sub? At least we know he can sort of cover injury at each end of the ground.

 

[speedy]

If we continue to play both McKercher and Daniel behind the ball our defensive structure needs to allow for the fact that teams are targeting them

This is why I can’t believe people defend this garden gnome. We had to move McKercher back because Caleb was having **** all effect on our defensive transition. Now we have 2 defenders who can’t defend. At least Kerch has the physical traits to improve his defensive game as his body gets stronger.

I much rather the ball go through Hardeman, FOS and Kerch than Caleb. Give FOS easy handball receives. Give Stiffy the kick-outs. Caleb Daniel is a cancer on this team. Cut him out, chemo his arse and make sure he doesn’t come back.

 

[hotchilli]

This is why I can’t believe people defend this garden gnome. We had to move McKercher back because Caleb was having **** all effect on our defensive transition. Now we have 2 defenders who can’t defend. At least Kerch has the physical traits to improve his defensive game as his body gets stronger.

I much rather the ball go through Hardeman, FOS and Kerch than Caleb. Give FOS easy handball receives. Give Stiffy the kick-outs. Caleb Daniel is a cancer on this team. Cut him out, chemo his arse and make sure he doesn’t come back.

That move was just as much a need for Colby who had a poor first half of the season.

 

[speedy]

That move was just as much a need for Colby who had a poor first half of the season.

Before that it was sheezel and I remember Clarko saying then we were having trouble moving it out of the back half.

 

[hotchilli]

Before that it was sheezel and I remember Clarko saying then we were having trouble moving it out of the back half.

It wasn't as if Sheez was in the finest form playing the mid/forward role before he had the brief switch back in defence as well.

It's reasonable to criticise Daniel for his defensive shortcomings but it's just making it up that these moves were purely based around Daniel's form.

We started the year using backline's made up of guys like Logue, Corr, Comben, Archer, McDonald, Scott, Tucker & Pink alongside Daniel. It's no surprise that guys like McKercher (line breaking speed), Hardeman (line breaking kick) & FOS (elite composure) replacing the likes of Archer, Scott & Tucker helped improve how we moved the ball out of the back half.

 

[speedy]

It wasn't as if Sheez was in the finest form playing the mid/forward role before he had the brief switch back in defence as well.

It's reasonable to criticise Daniel for his defensive shortcomings but it's just making it up that these moves were purely based around Daniel's form.

We started the year using backline's made up of guys like Logue, Corr, Comben, Archer, McDonald, Scott, Tucker & Pink alongside Daniel. It's no surprise that guys like McKercher (line breaking speed), Hardeman (line breaking kick) & FOS (elite composure) replacing the likes of Archer, Scott & Tucker helped improve how we moved the ball out of the back half.

We can argue why Kerch was moved back, but in the end it doesn’t even matter. I still rather have the ball go through Hardeman, FOS & Kerch because of the traits you outlined above. Caleb doesn’t have any of those traits, AND… he can’t defend for shit.

 

[hotchilli]

We can argue why Kerch was moved back, but in the end it doesn’t even matter. I still rather have the ball go through Hardeman, FOS & Kerch because of the traits you outlined above. Caleb doesn’t have any of those traits, AND… he can’t defend for shit.

And that's all completely reasonable but it just highlights that you don't need to create made up reasons when there is plenty of reasonable real criticisms already.

 

[speedy]

And that's all completely reasonable but it just highlights that you don't need to create made up reasons when there is plenty of reasonable real criticisms already.

Made up? That’s my observation. It could be true, partly true, or incorrect, only the coaching staff would know for sure. Maybe the coaches were solving 2 problems with the one move. How would you know? We are both making assumptions.

You said our ball movement out of defence improved when other players were introduced that had attributes which imo Caleb lacks. Isn’t that my point?

 

[hotchilli]

Made up? That’s my observation. It could be true, partly true, or incorrect, only the coaching staff would know for sure. Maybe the coaches were solving 2 problems with the one move. How would you know? We are both making assumptions.

You said our ball movement out of defence improved when other players were introduced that had attributes which imo Caleb lacks. Isn’t that my point?

I don't disagree with you about the point that our defence improved with the additions to our defensive mix.

But suggesting that the coaches were forced to move McKercher to defence because of Daniel is just your opinion because the fact is the coaches didn't drop Daniel.

 

[speedy]

I don't disagree with you about the point that our defence improved with the additions to our defensive mix.

But suggesting that the coaches were forced to move McKercher to defence because of Daniel is just your opinion because the fact is the coaches didn't drop Daniel.

And its fact the footy department said the acquisition of Caleb would release McKercher further up the field. They won’t drop Caleb, they have too much invested in him, right or wrong.

 

[hotchilli]

And its fact the footy department said the acquisition of Caleb would release McKercher further up the field. They won’t drop Caleb, they have too much invested in him, write or wrong.

Which did occur, unfortunately McKercher's form was ordinary up the ground. He managed to kick almost as many goals from when he switched back to defence as he did across the first half of the season playing up the ground.

Daniel is a huge negative defensively but his offensive output is certainly greater than what he is given credit for. He's no star half back at this stage of his career but his performances are certainly viewed more harshly than what is reality due to the trades associated with bringing him in.

 

[speedy]

Just to end this argument.

Fact -
Footy department said the acquisition of Caleb Daniel

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Caleb Daniel

Age

29

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

would release McKercher up the field.

My opinion -
The acquisition of Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

29

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

has failed miserably. He hasn’t helped our football transition out of defence one iota. We had to move McKercher back because Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

29

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

runs like Barney Rubble and has less penetration in his kicking than Cooper Trembath’s nanna. His position in the team is just holding back the likes of FOS and Riley Hardeman to flourish even more.

Fact -
Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

29

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

couldn’t defend a garden gnome.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[7577969923]

Just to end this argument.

Fact -
Footy department said the acquisition of Caleb Daniel would release McKercher up the field.

My opinion -
The acquisition of Caleb Daniel has failed miserably. He hasn’t helped our football transition out of defence one iota. We had to move McKercher back because Caleb Daniel runs like Barney Rubble and has less penetration in his kicking than Cooper Trembath’s nanna. His position in the team is just holding back the likes of FOS and Riley Hardeman to flourish even more.

Fact -
Caleb Daniel couldn’t defend a garden gnome.

We can agree to disagree.

It doesn't make it easy when he is giving away height and pace...

 

[Zondor]

So guys. Do you think we could get pick 25 for Daniel if we were to trade him? :stern look

 

[rickety]

Which did occur, unfortunately McKercher's form was ordinary up the ground. He managed to kick almost as many goals from when he switched back to defence as he did across the first half of the season playing up the ground.

Daniel is a huge negative defensively but his offensive output is certainly greater than what he is given credit for. He's no star half back at this stage of his career but his performances are certainly viewed more harshly than what is reality due to the trades associated with bringing him in.

I'm not fussed about the actual trade to bring him in, I reckon I might have thought it good to bring in a bloke who was a good footballer with a ton of experience ... but, it became entirely evident from very early on, that he just is not the right piece of the puzzle. At least not for us where we are. His defensive liabilities are magnified by our already prevalent defensive liabilities, his disposal is a cross between "not 15 play on", a 43m ball to a contest after a mid stream pirouette and actually getting the ball out of the defensive area. Teams play through him coming the other way.
Coulda, woulda been different had Arch and LMac been able to stay on the park.
Offensively he has shown this year, that forward of the ball, his ball into the F50 can still be sharp, but I reckon that'd be 10 backline kicks to 1 forward line kick ratio.
The trade is done, the scraps of it will play out in a few weeks ... CD into our backline has not been a positive change. Imo.

 

[Gasometer]

Can’t kick or handball accurately

Lock thread

 

[speedy]

So guys. Do you think we could get pick 25 for Daniel if we were to trade him? :stern look

Would he make a list?

 

[Samsquanch]

Can’t kick or handball accurately

Lock thread

If that's the criteria for a thread being locked then out mods are going to be pretty busy today. There's probably another 40 player threads in jeopardy.

 

[Gasometer]

If that's the criteria for a thread being locked then out mods are going to be pretty busy today. There's probably another 40 player threads in jeopardy.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

The only time Daniel should be seen in defense is coming down from the forward line to assist the backs in transition. Clarko/Viney must have thought we were getting Andrew McLeod

Andrew Mcleod

Age

49

Ht

181cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.8

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

v2.0, and we have ended up with Paul Callery v2.0

To start each game 3 goals down using him in the backline is just pure stupidity and being pig headed. Cop your medicine and dent to your ego. Try and salvage the worst trade of the decade to see if you can get anything out of the last 3 years playing him forward of centre. If they doesn’t work, make him captain of the VFL team. Empower the backs to take care of the defending and do the right thing by the NMFC.

 

[shinboner magic]

So guys. Do you think we could get pick 25 for Daniel if we were to trade him? :stern look

Only if we attach another first rounder

 

[perplexed]

The only time Daniel should be seen in defense is coming down from the forward line to assist the backs in transition. Clarko/Viney must have thought we were getting Andrew McLeod v2.0, and we have ended up with Paul Callery v2.0

To start each game 3 goals down using him in the backline is just pure stupidity and being pig headed. Cop your medicine and dent to your ego. Try and salvage the worst trade of the decade to see if you can get anything out of the last 3 years playing him forward of centre. If they doesn’t work, make him captain of the VFL team. Empower the backs to take care of the defending and do the right thing by the NMFC.

I mostly blame Clarko for this one, he wanted Daniel and persisted with him despite it being obvious early on that Daniel couldn't perform the role he was recruited for. This sort of thing happens too much at our club. Nobody has the courage to acknowledge even the most blatant of list management blunders and we just double down on stupid.