AFL at Adelaide Oval - it will never happen (Part 2)

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Would you object so vehemently if the stands went all the way around (ie no more horseshoe), with the heritage listed scoreboard moved to another location?

I wouldnt, I would be all for that idea if it was the case.

 

[Vader]

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Drop in pitches or a hard centre square for the AFL?

Drop-in pitches are a near certainty. Hopefully they'll be able to maintain the character of the Adelaide wicket though, not becoming the mediocre blamange which the MCG's pitches have become.

 

[Vader]

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To summarise my preferences:

1. New Stadium, leave Adelaide Oval as is at the completion of current re-development.
2. Remain at status quo with footy at AAMI.
3. Do up Adelaide Oval properly and make it into a real Gabba like Stadium.
4. Stop playing AFL football in South Australia.
5. Rann and Foley's ridicilous proposal.

See, my preferences would be 3, 1, 5, 2, 4.

 

[seanoff]

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And you fail to understand that there are degrees of redevelopment.

I don't think anyone has suggested sealing Adelaide Oval off from future development, in fact if you've seen Adelaide Oval over the last 9 months you'll have noticed that it is also undergoing substanial re-development.

There are however ways of undergoing re-development without substanially detrimentally affecting the character of the ground, something which KE would prefer. Also, have you ever been to Lords? If you have you'll notice the graphic you posted was actually at the back of the new media centre. It's hardly going to have a detrimental affect on the amenity of the ground.

umm open the PDF. you'll note that the Tavern, Edrich, Allen, Warner and Compton stands are to be redeveloped in that style. Those stands are all around the ground. So the ground will look significantly different inside to currently. in fact only the Mound stand, the Grandstand and the Pavilion will remain as is and two of those are quite or very modern.

Lords has changed constantly. the only tie to anything like it's history is the pavilion. everything else is modern or ultra modern. that is how it is. keep the really historical bit and make everything else 21st century.

if grass, scoreboard and trees are the AO heritage, well employ architects that can nod to those parts while modernising the ground and making it usable 365 days.

look at those Lords images, you can see through the new stands to give that openess, do that around the AO so you can see the parklands, Churches etc through the stands or parts thereof.

 

[ruscy002]

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And you fail to understand that there are degrees of redevelopment.

I don't think anyone has suggested sealing Adelaide Oval off from future development, in fact if you've seen Adelaide Oval over the last 9 months you'll have noticed that it is also undergoing substanial re-development.

There are however ways of undergoing re-development without substanially detrimentally affecting the character of the ground, something which KE would prefer. Also, have you ever been to Lords? If you have you'll notice the graphic you posted was actually at the back of the new media centre. It's hardly going to have a detrimental affect on the amenity of the ground.

This would've been my number one preference for Adelaide Oval (i.e. creating an nice blend of old and new) but this would've required planning and coordination before the new members stand was conceived. I think with this stand going up and the Chappell Stands already in place, the nice blend of new and old ship has well and truly sailed.

 

[jo172]

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I would imagine once/if the funding is assured we will see the more precise picture of what the stands will look like.

And by then they'll be so uninterested in public opinion/consultation that no matter how disgraceful they end up being we'll be locked into them.

Hence why it's better to kick up an almighty fuss pre-emptively.

 

[ruscy002]

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I hope you guys realize that the render of the new stands is just that.

The first proposals for the western grandstand are very different to what we are getting now also.


I would imagine once/if the funding is assured we will see the more precise picture of what the stands will look like.

I don't disagree with this, but the gap at the northern end speaks volumes about their intentions at the moment (i.e. preserve traditional elements/save money). The proposal requires significantly more money than indicated at present for a northern stand to be included and this is the bugbear for most re the design.

I have no doubt that the government would be willing to throw more money at the proposal in order to do it properly, but first they need to know that the people of Adelaide aren't happy about it. That is of course if the opinion of the general public reflects the vibe on here (and of most who I've discussed this with, even pro-AO redevelopment people)...I fear that for every person that thinks the AO redevelopment looks stupid and half arsed, there will be two or three people who will cling to every little bit of the old Adelaide Oval that they can.

 

[ruscy002]

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And by then they'll be so uninterested in public opinion/consultation that no matter how disgraceful they end up being we'll be locked into them.

Hence why it's better to kick up an almighty fuss pre-emptively.

So what do we do??? I'm currently grappling with the idea of a publicity stunt involving a shitload of Sellys 'No More Gaps'

 

[Crow-mo]

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The two most iconic Cricket Ovals in the world are Lords and Adelaide Oval. We're going to kill that.

Lords is a shithole. an ugly eyesore.

 

[Crow-mo]

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using Lords as an argument to leave AO alone doesn't wash, because Lords is undergoing a radical redevelopment itself.

and it looks another hideous defilement of Lords.

hell the only good thing about the Media centre, is that people inside don't have to look at the gigantic bauhaus plastic chair it resembles.

 

[doodle48]

Adelaide oval crows members

I wonder how many members the Crows will lose when they shift to Adelaide oval? or pehaps they may gain some.

Does anyone know how the seating arrangements will be allocated compared to where you now sit at Aami?.

 

[Southerntakeover]

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I laughed. but seriously he's right about one thing: adelaide oval is internationally famous for being picturesque. for whatever that might be worth

Unless its translating to tourism dollars (and the lack of talk of fush and chups at the games ive been to makes me doubt this) i couldnt give two squirts of monkey piss what their opinion is to be honest.

 

[jo172]

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Unless its translating to tourism dollars (and the lack of talk of fush and chups at the games ive been to makes me doubt this) i couldnt give two squirts of monkey piss what their opinion is to be honest.

If you're around there during the day the amount of sub-continental tourists who come through on bus tours would surprise you.

Having said that, it seems unlikely that Adelaide Oval would be the sole purporse for their visit, and it's likely that they would still be eager to visit any cricket oval.

I also went to the Redbacks game the day the Queen Mary was in dock and it was packed with Poms*

*Well Poms comprised about 3/4s of the 1000 people there

 

[NTRabbit]

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I just checked, this is currently our preliminary allocation

 

[Symesy15]

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It won't matter, because it will never happen. The Crows won't be going to Adelaide Oval, but there's another thread about this...

 

[jo172]

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The 'horse shoe' design is very original. Unique some would say. We retain the hill, the figs (don't we?) & the scoreboard. The atmosphere created by the hill would be retained, and we would gain alot more seating.

Retaining the hill is stupidity.

It's great in cricket season/spring for SANFL finals, but on a 10 degrees, raining Friday night for Port Vs. Fremantle it'll be horrible.

Win Win. I also trust that the design would improve if all parties agreed on a redevelopement. The AFL, SACA, AFC, PAFC, SANFL & SA government wouldn't want a second rate upgrade.

Ever heard of a camel?

 

[kirky]

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The two most iconic Cricket Ovals in the world are Lords and Adelaide Oval. We're going to kill that.

Have you ever been to Lords?

I have twice and it has the weirdest concoction of stands I have ever seen.
And the media box looks something out of Star Wars/Star Trek.

The "G" is still one of the great grounds of the world and they have been putting up and pulling down stands for the last 100 years.

People, build a bridge and get over it.

 

[kirky]

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And another thing, who goes to the footy to see the Hills (not much chop at night), the church (hell, that would be the only time I'd see a church for 2 hours) or sit on lawn? Life moves on.

If you want to keep the scoreboard (it surely can't pass fire regulations), open a museum and put it in it.

 

[jo172]

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And another thing, who goes to the footy to see the Hills (not much chop at night), the church (hell, that would be the only time I'd see a church for 2 hours) or sit on lawn? Life moves on.

No, but it's part of the charm of test match cricket.

This statement has summed up one of the major obstacles to this going ahead.

Both codes are so consumed by their own importance they're prepared to completely overlook a ground being shared.

If you want to keep the scoreboard (it surely can't pass fire regulations), open a museum and put it in it.

Read the Heritage Places Act, then get back to us.

 

[ruscy002]

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To be honest, I don't see what all the fuss is about.


The 'horse shoe' design is very original. Unique some would say. We retain the hill, the figs (don't we?) & the scoreboard. The atmosphere created by the hill would be retained, and we would gain alot more seating.

Win Win. I also trust that the design would improve if all parties agreed on a redevelopement. The AFL, SACA, AFC, PAFC, SANFL & SA government wouldn't want a second rate upgrade.

Mr Rann...is that you?

Unique and original aren't necessarily good things just because they're unique and original. Google "banana suitcase" for proof.

And don't think for one second that the horse shoe design is intended to be unique or original...it's done out of necessity to satisfy the traditionalist majority of SACA members who will vote the proposal out if all remenants of heritage are destroyed.

 

[Southerntakeover]

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No, but it's part of the charm of test match cricket.

When was the last time you wandered out of the members to the hill anyway?


Strangely enough, its the members who spend all day behind the fugging stand anyway who are squawking. What do they even care?

 

[Hondo]

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I hear of lots of guys that will stand on that hill even if it's 0 degrees. That's how they like to watch footy and that's how they will watch their AFL. There's a market there that will use it rain, hail or shine. Arguably, it would add to the atmosphere. I am not sure why retaining it is such a huge issue.

 

[seanoff]

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People, build a bridge and get over it.

there are plans for that, but i'm sure someone will want to heritage list the Torrens and make bridges illegal or some such.

 

[ruscy002]

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I hear of lots of guys that will stand on that hill even if it's 0 degrees. That's how they like to watch footy and that's how they will watch their AFL. There's a market there that will use it rain, hail or shine. Arguably, it would add to the atmosphere. I am not sure why retaining it is such a huge issue.

For mine retaining the hill isn't the issue, it's the great big expanse of nothingness behind it, except for the fig trees that have taken on way too much importance in the design of the stadium. Even the most basic stand, set back to allow room for the hill/standing room, would look better than that gap.

 

[jo172]

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When was the last time you wandered out of the members to the hill anyway?


Strangely enough, its the members who spend all day behind the fugging stand anyway who are squawking. What do they even care?

I like looking at the hill!

Also the out the back culture I think is not entirely unrelated to the peaceful, laid back and serene nature of the oval in it's current form. I think some of this culture (which I also admittedly enjoy) would be detrimentally affected by Rann's plan.

Clearly this is not a utalitarianly good reason to oppose this plan (but there's no danger of those running out) but I consider it a perfectly good minority/selfish one!