AFL games and horse racing spring carnival.

[newcs]

In 2012 a game between Adelaide and Geelong was brought forward half an hour due to a horse race involving racehorse Black Caviar.
This is just the tip of the iceberg on how horse racing can effect other sports. The amount of money involved in horse racing (betting in particular) makes the AFL look like a little piggy bank. In October and November there is some seriously big horse racing going on in Melbourne. The AFL will be "told" to work around them, even to the point of no games allowed in Melbourne. If the AFL plan finals during the spring carnival, don't expect them to be in Melbourne on a Saturday.

 

[Macpotata]

awesome

 

[Walshawk]

Finals will all be night games as usual. Probably also the GF this year. Horse racing is during the day. Nothing to see here. Move on.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I love racing but outside of the Melbourne Cup it’d be a footnote in any clash. There’s talk in racing circles about trying to set up “mega event days” with racing and AFL finals. Nobody would pay attention to the racing apart from racing people, and the whole point of the Spring Carnival is it brings other people in.

Racing should be avoiding the footy at all costs.

 

[Kappa]

In 2012 a game between Adelaide and Geelong was brought forward half an hour due to a horse race involving racehorse Black Caviar.
This is just the tip of the iceberg on how horse racing can effect other sports. The amount of money involved in horse racing (betting in particular) makes the AFL look like a little piggy bank. In October and November there is some seriously big horse racing going on in Melbourne. The AFL will be "told" to work around them, even to the point of no games allowed in Melbourne. If the AFL plan finals during the spring carnival, don't expect them to be in Melbourne on a Saturday.

What is the ratings for most horse racing events outside of the Melbourne cup? Probably extremely small as almost no one cares outside of gamblers

 

[Senor M]

In 2012 a game between Adelaide and Geelong was brought forward half an hour due to a horse race involving racehorse Black Caviar.
This is just the tip of the iceberg on how horse racing can effect other sports. The amount of money involved in horse racing (betting in particular) makes the AFL look like a little piggy bank. In October and November there is some seriously big horse racing going on in Melbourne. The AFL will be "told" to work around them, even to the point of no games allowed in Melbourne. If the AFL plan finals during the spring carnival, don't expect them to be in Melbourne on a Saturday.

At this stage it's still unlikely that crowds will be allowed back to either event--- at least anywhere near their regular capacity. Therefore there would be no significant change if AFL games are played in Melbourne or interstate on the same day as the Spring Carnival.

What's more likely to happen is that finals games will be played during the evening/night; which would probably be the case with the weather in late October anyway regardless of the Spring Racing Carnival. Melbourne regularly has other sporting events on during the Spring Racing Carnival (Both Victory & Melbourne City play @ AAMI over that weekend, normally a NBL game in Melbourne too)

 

[kickazz]

In 2012 a game between Adelaide and Geelong was brought forward half an hour due to a horse race involving racehorse Black Caviar.
This is just the tip of the iceberg on how horse racing can effect other sports. The amount of money involved in horse racing (betting in particular) makes the AFL look like a little piggy bank. In October and November there is some seriously big horse racing going on in Melbourne. The AFL will be "told" to work around them, even to the point of no games allowed in Melbourne. If the AFL plan finals during the spring carnival, don't expect them to be in Melbourne on a Saturday.

Well the Turnbull Stakes got moved to the Sunday when the grand final replay happened.

 

[projectv]

Fans won't be attending either set of events so I'm pretty sure they can operate together at the same time just fine.

 

[kickazz]

Fans won't be attending either set of events so I'm pretty sure they can operate together at the same time just fine.

Yeah have three races at the quarter breaks.

 

[Billy ray]

Yeah have three races at the quarter breaks.

on the same ground!

 

[Pessimistic]

on the same ground!

make a huge ground at Flemington. Congestion solved.

Seriously if venues are allowed 50-100 people by then I can see lots of small events watching each sport on TV. - which is what happens at the cup anyway, just closer to get home when you are sozzled

 

[Bomberboyokay]

* horse racing.

Fans won't be attending either set of events so I'm pretty sure they can operate together at the same time just fine.

AFL would win any head-to-head by a lot. The horsies will be moving to avoid clashes.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The mooted clash is with the Cox Plate. Only thing that has caught my attention is that the CEO of Moonee Valley is on Twitter and seems quite confident in his push for a normal Cox Plate card and then a night GF.

It only interests me because I wouldn’t, for one second, put it past the AFL to use this as an excuse to play a night GF. They’ve been pushing it for years and now might have their excuse to do something that most people don’t seem to want.

 

[Pessimistic]

Major consideration is obviously going to be parting punters from their cash. would they bet big if the events were on the same day?

 

[kickazz]

Major consideration is obviously going to be parting punters from their cash. would they bet big if the events were on the same day?

Yep. It's called chasing losses, normally what Perth races are for.

 

[Supercoach Bargain]

Yep. It's called chasing losses, normally what Perth races are for.

race 8 at the Dapto dogs. The break even stakes.

 

[Andrew Mc]

It'll all be watched on TV whatever the case, so does it really matter too much.

 

[Kram]

In 2012 a game between Adelaide and Geelong was brought forward half an hour due to a horse race involving racehorse Black Caviar.
This is just the tip of the iceberg on how horse racing can effect other sports. The amount of money involved in horse racing (betting in particular) makes the AFL look like a little piggy bank. In October and November there is some seriously big horse racing going on in Melbourne. The AFL will be "told" to work around them, even to the point of no games allowed in Melbourne. If the AFL plan finals during the spring carnival, don't expect them to be in Melbourne on a Saturday.

What are you, Gerard Twateley?

Tell him he's dreamin'.

 

[Pres]

Major consideration is obviously going to be parting punters from their cash. would they bet big if the events were on the same day?

Racing industry funded by punters and the big Carnival days bring in the lion's share.

Racing will want clean air where possible for their big days away from the footy finals. The punting dollar only goes so far. Caulfield Cup already talking of going mid November. Makes sense to me.

 

[Starburns_]

It all depends on which games it is and which race it is.

Semis/Prelims will likely be evening/night anyway so that's not a big deal for a clash. Grand Final is the big one and depends which race it's scheduled against. 7 hold the rights for the Cox Plate so there's that added factor that will lead to finding a solution/compromise, whereas Derby Day is on 10 so the AFL can just push ahead with whatever they want, racing would be mad to go up against them.

On another note if GF Day is the 31st of October (Derby Day) then there'll be the longest of weekends with a public holiday scheduled in Victoria for the Friday and the Tuesday. Makes sense under those circumstances to move racing to the Friday.

Racing industry funded by punters and the big Carnival days bring in the lion's share.

Racing will want clean air where possible for their big days away from the footy finals. The punting dollar only goes so far. Caulfield Cup already talking of going mid November. Makes sense to me.

Pretty much any Saturday racing event could move to the Sunday anyway as there's no way there'll be spectators at anything.

 

[Billy ray]

friday night grand final

 

[Pykie]

People underestimate the power and political clout of the racing industry.

The government knows where it's bread is buttered with ******* enormous revenue from betting taxes and it's not the AFL in that regard.

 

[Billy ray]

People underestimate the power and political clout of the racing industry.

The government knows where it's bread is buttered with ******* enormous revenue from betting taxes and it's not the AFL in that regard.

its actually not that enormous.
in Victoria, racing and sports betting taxes are about $140m.
casino taxes $238m.
pokies are $1.1b.
compareto land tax at $3.6b and payroll tax at $6.5b! vehicle taxes (rego and stamp duty) are about $3b. and transfer duty is $5.9b.
total taxes are $24b
then you have GST and other grants from the feds at $34b

so no, betting taxes being enormous is a huge fallacy.
like fines and penalties - just $800m or so in vic

source: https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws...9-20+State+Budget+-+Statement+of+Finances.pdf

see chapter 4

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Not sure if anybody has noticed everybody, incl sports minister Martin Pakula, has basically confirmed a Saturday afternoon Cox Plate. They’re all but saying the GF is going to be at night.

 

[Billy ray]

Not sure if anybody has noticed everybody, incl sports minister Martin Pakula, has basically confirmed a Saturday afternoon Cox Plate. They’re all but saying the GF is going to be at night.

Could do twilight game in perth which is night in melb?