Tom Hawkins 350 games - What is his standing in the game?

[SuperMal]

Also, Capper (Warwick Capper) didn't kick 100+ goals in a season twice, he only did it once - 103 goals in 1987. Also you mention "assists".....do you mean Goal Assists? That stat wasn't recorded in Capper's time as a player.

I’ll confess not every selection is stats supported - OK, drop Capper..I was trying to re-enforce the impact he had on the Swans 86/87(?) seasons. But longevity and return puts him out.

 

[Lunchtime]

Very good question - great GA but not much else - probably just into 2nd.

GA....you mean Goal Average (per game)? That was 2.46......he had a high ceiling in terms of goals...kicked 80+ goals two years in a row.

I always like to see how many times a key position forward gets to 50+ goals each year. That's also a good indication of consistency too (number of games per season comes into it too)

 

[Lunchtime]

I’ll confess not every selection is stats supported - OK, drop Capper..I was trying to re-enforce the impact he had on the Swans 86/87(?) seasons. But longevity and return puts him out.

I'd agree with that yep. Bit like Mark "Jacko" Jackson....could obviously play...look at his goal average per game...3.76..in any era thats very good....but longevity was against him - behaviour etc etc.

 

[SuperMal]

I'd agree with that yep. Bit like Mark "Jacko" Jackson....could obviously play...look at his goal average per game...3.76..in any era thats very good....but longevity was against him - behaviour etc etc.

Glad you see the nuances - Thats why I didn't include the ‘non keys’…except for Matthews…it’s too hard.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

Why is it absurd? The Coleman medal is like the Brownlow medal for a Forward, it's the highest individual award in terms of goal kicking for a forward. It's a bit like in cricket.....you'd take two centuries over someone who couldn't make a century.

Really? You don’t think a player kicking 105 goals while another player kicked 106 has had a better season than someone else kicking 75 in a different season when no other player kicked more?

 

[PhatBoy]

Why is it absurd? The Coleman medal is like the Brownlow medal for a Forward, it's the highest individual award in terms of goal kicking for a forward. It's a bit like in cricket.....you'd take two centuries over someone who couldn't make a century.

Well to borrow a cricket analogy, Matthew Hayden top scored in the third test in India in 2001.

Rahul Dravid didn’t in the match that preceded it - in fact he scored less than Hayden did in his innings. Pretty sure we all recall who played probably the better innings, even allowing for how well Hayden played.

 

[Catsnlakers]

Maybe he is "marked harshly" because out of the "Big 4 Key Position Forwards" of the past 15 odd years, he has won one Coleman medal - Franklin (4), Jack Riewoldt (3) and Josh Kennedy (2) all won multiple Coleman medals.

If a player wins multiple Coleman medals, then their standing in the game at the end of their career will be high.

That’s a very simplistic way to view things, I don’t claim to know exactly how many overall, but I know in at least 2012, 2014, 2021 & 2022 he was top 3 in the Coleman, and in 3 of them years he received AA honours because he was seen to have been the best overall forward of them seasons.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Will also add to this he is also second all time for goal assists... Which id predominantly midfielders or a few smallish forwards.

So 13th all time for goals kicked, no2 dor all time contested marks, and no2 all time for goal assists..

Freak of a career

And I don't think that's giving him all he's contributed either. A number of times he has literally palmed or knocked a long ball in (so while wrestling one or maybe two opponents) to a team mate for an absolute gimmie. He's created a lot that weren't from a genuine disposal and or his body work. Wayne Carey has always been good at recognising this and how he has great impact even when not kicking them himself.

 

[Lunchtime]

Glad you see the nuances - Thats why I didn't include the ‘non keys’…except for Matthews…it’s too hard.

Stats to reflect Tommy's 351st game. Tonight against the Bulldogs, he was goalless for the 51st time in his career. More often than not he is consistent in terms of his output of goals.

 

[SuperMal]

Stats to reflect Tommy's 351st game. Tonight against the Bulldogs, he was goalless for the 51st time in his career. More often than not he is consistent in terms of his output of goals.

It happens - not going to pretend it’s anything to judge him by.