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I also love the conclusion that Pendlebury only played 30 minutes of the finals series.
These guys need to start watching footy beyond August even though their team's season is already done and dusted by that time...
Fadge trying to fit Pendlebury's finals record to Dusty's:
Oh. So he played more than 30 minutes of good footy in the finals series?Very average first final. Very good PF. Average first 3/4 of GF, very good last quarter. 2 x coaches votes across 3 x finals. Do you disagree with any of that?
In close games for the premier decided on fine margins, those are a very good collection of games - and 10 is a fair number of them. So he didn't torch North Melbourne, West Coast, Freo and GWS (first time, when they got thrashed and were crap).6 Brownlow votes and 31 coaches votes playing full time mid in a top team. 2 coaches votes in the final series. Solid.
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In close games for the premier decided on fine margins, those are a very good collection of games - and 10 is a fair number of them. So he didn't torch North Melbourne, West Coast, Freo and GWS (first time, when they got thrashed and were crap).
The biggest one of all: take Pendlebury out and Collingwood don't win the 2023 flag. Take Martin out and Richmond finish 15th/16th instead of 13th.
Sorry is there a special disclaimer if Scott played only played "good" footy, clutch footy, in the close games throughout the year and in finals, to land Collingwood a premiership. Not as eye popping as Dangerfield 2022's run home, but no less impressive, as Pendles wasn't frequently rested.In those 10 x games he got 5 x coaches votes and 2 x Brownlow votes. That’s very low polling for a midfielder in the top-team… doesn’t mean he wasn’t playing some good football, but let’s not re-write history that he was doing much beyond playing good solid football. Which is no slight on a 35yo in his 18th season or whatever it is… he was a very valuable player and very consistent.
His finals series was solid overall. In the first final he was below average. In the PF he was good. Interestingly 8 x players received coaches votes and he wasn’t one of them, so coaches didn’t quite have him in the top-8 on the ground - but he had a good game and was perhaps next in line for votes. In the GF coaches rated him equal 5th best on ground - he was pretty average for three quarters then an excellent last quarter jagged him a couple of votes which was well deserved. He got 1 x Norm Smith vote from memory as well, so one of the 5 judges had him in the best 3 on the ground.
His standing in the game does elevate thanks to helping his team win a flag. But it doesn’t change the fact his entire season comprising 25 games playing midfield in the top-team netted 31 coaches votes and 6 Brownlow votes. A very solid return and you can’t expect much more from a 35yo.
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Take Dangerfield out and Geelong finish 12th.The biggest one of all: take Pendlebury out and Collingwood don't win the 2023 flag. Take Martin out and Richmond finish 15th/16th instead of 13th.
Given he was our best player (multiple BOGs) round 4-8 when we got most of our wins, unlikely.Take Dangerfield out and Geelong finish 12th.
Who did you play in those games that you wouldn't of won without him?Given he was our best player (multiple BOGs) round 4-8 when we got most of our wins, unlikely.
He was averaging 8 clearances and top 10 for SIs so it all started with him. Engine room master. The Adelaide game we'd have been down by 5 goals at half time without him. The next 3 weeks he missed, we lost all of them. We felt the difference from him breaking his ribs 30 minutes into his return game.Who did you play in those games that you wouldn't of won without him?
Who did you play is what I asked?He was averaging 8 clearances and top 10 for SIs so it all started with him. Engine room master. The Adelaide game we'd have been down by 5 goals at half time without him. The next 3 weeks he missed, we lost all of them. We felt the difference from him breaking his ribs 30 minutes into his return game.
Which was your favourite alt account?Who did you play is what I asked?
Start with Round 4.
I think it is cute that certain posters feel the need to start another account, so as they have back up.Unpredictable staying on topic, which were your favourite Pendlebury games this year?
(thanks for keeping this thread at the top)
Not a lot of people know this, but Pendles is a mod on BigFooty.How the mods allow the constant trolling is beyond me…
Pendlebury and Dangerfield should join the 900 club next season (Ablett would likely be over 100 but his first 4 seasons they aren't published/available).Here are those tallies for the top 40 midfielders for coaches votes since the award came out in 2003. Note that tallies were not made available 2003-2005, so best estimates were applied using the closest matching season (statistically, Brownlow, fantasy points). Mostly this effect was negligible, outside of Judd and Goodes who had excellent seasons between 2003-2005.
Judgement call was to exclude players who had most of their career outside of the Coaches Votes era (so Black misses out but Goodes is included). Obviously many careers are still in progress so it'll be interesting to see where everyone ends up:
Position Player Coaches votes 1Ablett 1020 2Dangerfield 894 3Pendlebury 889 4Selwood 817 5Martin 783 6Judd 725 7S.Mitchell 720 8Bontempelli 664 9Fyfe 635 10Neale 617 11Cotchin 593 12Boak 590 13Swan 571 14Kennedy 561 15Hodge 560 16Goodes 560 17Parker 547 18Mundy 521 19Oliver 504 20Merrett 498 21Cripps 482 22Murphy 478 23Sloane 462 24Gray 453 25Bartel 440 26Sidebottom 433 27Macrae 427 28Petracca 419 29Wines 418 30Priddis 413 31Hannebery 401 32Laird 396 33Gaff 390 34Burgoyne 385 35Watson 377 36Duncan 363 37T.Mitchell 362 38J.Kelly 360 39Lewis 351 40Prestia 334
Very good question.Pendlebury and Dangerfield should join the 900 club next season (Ablett would likely be over 100 but his first 4 seasons they aren't published/available).
Who has a realistic chance of joining them by the end of their careers?
117 more for Martin, so you'd think he needs 3 more seasons around his 2023 level.
Bontempelli has less than 250 to go with plenty of good football left and would be my bet. Neale with under 300 but how much longer can he maintain this level?
Oliver, Petracca and of course Daicos are other candidates in the longer term. Maybe JHF judging from this Brownlow night, or young Sheezel as his midfield minutes increase.
I just hope if he does it, that it's by more than 100 votes. GAJ did have similar level seasons in 2004 and 2005 to 2006, where he recorded 49 coaches votes.Very good question.
We all know it's gonna be:
1. GAJ
2. Bont
3/4. Pendles/ Danger
And the watch will be on whether Naicos can overtake GAJ.
At least we know that if we debate, it will be based on logic and facts.If it's by less than 80 in particular then we have to get debating.
Old man Pendles vs Tigers rd.3 2023. 24 disposals, 1 goal, 9 SI's, 2 goal assists and 6 Inside 50's.
Just another walk in the park for one of the goats.
I went to this game and it was a pleasure watching him carve them up.
I love when people who never watch us comment on our players. NFI, but so proudRichmond never try to stop seagull stat padder types getting the ball, so I am shocked Scott "Pockets of Space" Pendlebury only got 24 disposals while he was watching the Liam Baker game high player rating show there from a front row seat. Pendlebury was =17th for contested possessions in that match with 8. It is surprising that Scott "Standing in the Game" Pendlebury couldn't win a bit more of his own Sherrin. However, nobody controls those otherwise uncontrollable pockets of space around half back like Pendlebury though, and nobody ever will.
I love when people who never watch us comment on our players. NFI, but so proud
You seem to have a bit of a fixation. Maybe a green tea will settle you down?McRae apparently had to give Scott a massive rev at 3/4 time in the Grand Final....
"FFS Scott those pockets of space around half back are out of control, now get the * out there and ******* get those pockets of space under ******* control. How many actual Grand Finals do you want to spud up in one career mate?"
Scott "Pockets of Space" Pendlebury in actual Grand Finals averages....
9 contested possessions
0.66 goals plus goal assists
a paltry 4.5 score involvements
No wonder then that during Scott's career Collingwood playing on their own home deck always seem to be within a kick of interstate and Docklands teams at final siren time in Grand Finals. He is too busy being a pockets of space controller to impact the scoreboard.