Play Nice AFL Womens - General Discussion

[Goosecat]

Clearly taking a single game from 1952 is not valid for two reasons: sample size and comparing different eras. There must have been an exhibition game at the SCG in 1903?
If you can compare grounds from the same era, eg AFL era, then perhaps we can see if the claim that smaller grounds lead to higher scores can be confirmed or disproven.

They are from the AFL era. Look at the table heading "IN USE" to see the years included. The are up to and including 2019.

 

[Clems Knee]

They are from the AFL era. Look at the table heading "IN USE" to see the years included. The are up to and including 2019.

No, they are not. The AFL era started in 1990. The in use column you’ve quoted will show you that the table you are using just shows all games ever played at the ground. Which is why I pointed out that there must have been a game in 1903 to include the stats there.
This means that all games at the MCG including mud wrestling matches from 150 years ago would be counted. See if you can get games from 1990 onwards.

 

[Goosecat]

No, they are not. The AFL era started in 1990. The in use column you’ve quoted will show you that the table you are using just shows all games ever played at the ground. Which is why I pointed out that there must have been a game in 1903 to include the stats there.
This means that all games at the MCG including mud wrestling matches from 150 years ago would be counted. See if you can get games from 1990 onwards.

These stats include all the era you talk of. You don't gain accuracy be excluding whatever you hope might improve your most likely incorrect narrative.
The SCG remains the highest scoring regular and in current use ground. It also happens to be the shortest. It includes periods that were even more congested than now.

 

[Clems Knee]

These stats include all the era you talk of. You don't gain accuracy be excluding whatever you hope might improve your most likely incorrect narrative.
The SCG remains the highest scoring regular and in current use ground. It also happens to be the shortest.

So you are comparing a ground that was only played on regularly since 1980 with grounds that have been played on since before 1880. The averages for the MCG is weighted towards that century or more with different rules, different playing conditions and very different skill levels.

You are comparing apples to cucumbers.

Your claim that shorter grounds produce higher scores is bullshit. Until you have comparable stats to support your argument, you have no argument.
Hard to fathom how you continued with such a poor line of thinking.

 

[NoobPie]

These stats include all the era you talk of. You don't gain accuracy be excluding whatever you hope might improve your most likely incorrect narrative.
The SCG remains the highest scoring regular and in current use ground. It also happens to be the shortest. It includes periods that were even more congested than now.

Sorry dude but you are arguing from high level of ignorance....I found this randomly but this captures that average scores were significantly higher in the proto-professional era (80s and 90s) compared to this century.

To use an average from the SCG that spands the 80s to now and compare it to the Docklands is plain nonsense

 

[Goosecat]

So you are comparing a ground that was only played on regularly since 1980 with grounds that have been played on since before 1880. The averages for the MCG is weighted towards that century or more with different rules, different playing conditions and very different skill levels.

You are comparing apples to cucumbers.

Your claim that shorter grounds produce higher scores is bullshit. Until you have comparable stats to support your argument, you have no argument.
Hard to fathom how you continued with such a poor line of thinking.

LOL.

 

[hamohawk1]

Went to the written oval yesterday and watched Geelong v Adelaide, two key issues in the womens game:
- Overhead/ general marking; and
- Ability to pick the ball up on the run/ in a contest.

Some plays fill you with excitement and great hope, others make you feel like you're watching your kid play under 12's.

Will continue to watch though!

 

[Goosecat]

Sorry dude but you are arguing from high level of ignorance....I found this randomly but this captures that average scores were significantly higher in the proto-professional era (80s and 90s) compared to this century.

To use an average from the SCG that spands the 80s to now and compare it to the Docklands is plain nonsense

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There's always been lies, damn lies and statistics as you well know. The ever evolving game and the athleticism and fitness of players, continually effect the game stats, let alone all the rule changes. You pick out the stats you think shows one thing, I'll show you stats indicating another. The argument is not set either way. I'm willing to bet however, if you put the goals 100m apart, you'll see massive score increases.
You're like those famous statisticians and scientists who kept proving the world was flat.

 

[Clems Knee]

LOL.

Now I understand. Carry on.

 

[Bostonian]

People need to just realise that due to physical limitations the women's game will only ever reach a certain level of play and no changing rules or ground sizes will change that.

Just enjoy that bumbly fumbly form of football with the odd bit of brilliance and dial the expectations way way back.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Here’s a query to do with footy rules, what do you pay first ?.

Watching the Giants play the Eagles and a free was paid in front of the Giants goal. The Giants player was tackled, did not dispose properly ( didn’t connect her fist for a handball ), but then the Eagles player continued on into her back, taking her to ground.

Now in the chain of events, the incorrect disposal occurred first, but the umps paid the push in the back.

Ump oversight or push over rides throw ?.

The tackle must be legal, even though there was an incorrect disposal (which I hate that this is ignored in the AFL and the AFLW), the tackle not being legal takes precedence first. The tackle started before the incorrect disposal. So even though the push occurred after the incorrect disposal, it started before and wasn't completed legally. This is something that most commentators don't even know about (and many spectators).

The umpires have been told to ignore the incorrect disposal in favour of 'it was knocked out in the tackle' even though it's so obvious that players just drop the ball as soon as they are tackled in order to get the free for being held on to. The AFL wants the game to keep moving but this is a wrong decision for the AFLW as all it does is create more congestion at that level. It would be better to pay the free and ensure that a kick happens to open up the play.

A very long time ago I used to be an umpire and was trained at the SANFL. There is a lot of yelling at the tv commentators by me because of their lack of knowledge. I think that in order to be a commentator they need to take a test on the rules like the umpires do.

 

[jarrod_island_doggies]

Very John "Not sure you'll ever get 50/50 gender split in Parliament due to women doing more caring and nurturing and not having the capacity" (parapharased) Howard-esque.

Due to physical limitations Jack Dyer probably wouldn't get a look in at Richmond today - wanting to play in the ruck he'd be shorter than 25 players on the current list.

"Bumbly fumbly" comes more from a mix of footballers with cross-coders, women who've been out of the game for a decade, part time contracts and team cohesion than anything else - do yourself a favour and just watch Roxy Roux for a half of footy or better yet Erin Phillips (when she's fit and firing), arguably the most talented 14 year old footballer John Cahill had ever seen.

 

[NonPhixion]

My bank account enjoys the AFLW more than I do.
there is a stark difference in the level of skill across teams. Watching North Melbourne move the ball & then watching Richmond try and do the same thing it’s almost like they should be in different leagues. Hopefuly in a few years the competition will even up, because at the moment there is a massive gap between the best and worst teams

 

[jarrod_island_doggies]

With the very unfortunate news about Guerin's knee, will we see Perko running out for the Dees I wonder? Stinear said they'd been preparing for that eventuality in the presser, even though he was confident it was only a fairly minor injury

 

[TWLS]

People need to just realise that due to physical limitations the women's game will only ever reach a certain level of play and no changing rules or ground sizes will change that.

Just enjoy that bumbly fumbly form of football with the odd bit of brilliance and dial the expectations way way back.

Very interesting comments from a big GAA Womens football fan/coach who is not happy with the AFLW and has a tendency to stick the GAA boot in occasionally so as to speak.

 

[Bostonian]

Very interesting comments from a big GAA Womens football fan/coach who is not happy with the AFLW and has a tendency to stick the GAA boot in occasionally so as to speak.

Why interesting? It's a physiological thing. So not that interesting.

There are limits to human capabilities.

The rest of your waffle is just made up bullshit though.

 

[Bostonian]

Very John "Not sure you'll ever get 50/50 gender split in Parliament due to women doing more caring and nurturing and not having the capacity" (parapharased) Howard-esque.

Due to physical limitations Jack Dyer probably wouldn't get a look in at Richmond today - wanting to play in the ruck he'd be shorter than 25 players on the current list.

"Bumbly fumbly" comes more from a mix of footballers with cross-coders, women who've been out of the game for a decade, part time contracts and team cohesion than anything else - do yourself a favour and just watch Roxy Roux for a half of footy or better yet Erin Phillips (when she's fit and firing), arguably the most talented 14 year old footballer John Cahill had ever seen.

The same applies to male athletes. So don't get all triggered.

The men's 100 metre record was set in 2009, so we are at the point now where physical limitations have kicked in.

Suggesting that physical limitations will impact the final standard of a sport isn't exactly mind blowing news.

You'll never have a league full of Erin Phillips, just as you don't have a league full of Marcus Bontempelli's and Patrick Cripps.

My post was actually suggesting that people reign back their expectations of what limits can be reached and just enjoy it for what it is.

 

[jarrod_island_doggies]

The same applies to male athletes. So don't get all triggered.

The men's 100 metre record was set in 2009, so we are at the point now where physical limitations have kicked in.

Suggesting that physical limitations will impact the final standard of a sport isn't exactly mind blowing news.

You'll never have a league full of Erin Phillips, just as you don't have a league full of Marcus Bontempelli's and Patrick Cripps.

My post was actually suggesting that people reign back their expectations of what limits can be reached and just enjoy it for what it is.

People still say triggered? You learn something every day.

I wasn't suggesting we'd have a league full of Erin Phillips clones, just that the potential for it to be a high quality outlet of the sport is a real possibility and labelling it "bumbly fumbly" forever more is either agenda driven or poorly informed.

Nothing wrong with people viewing it on its merits and there's been a maturing level of acceptance for considered critique of players and teams moreso this year than in seasons past (unfortunately these statements still draw some trolls and *******s in like a red rag to a bull...) but to put it in the basket of always being a vastly inferior, bush-league quality spectacle is doing it a massive disservice.

 

[Teen Wolf]

With the very unfortunate news about Guerin's knee, will we see Perko running out for the Dees I wonder? Stinear said they'd been preparing for that eventuality in the presser, even though he was confident it was only a fairly minor injury

The thing is Mithen and Lauren Pearce were slated for approximate Round 4 returns. If neither comes up in time, I think that leaves 22 to pick from and it's hard to see how they could overlook Perkins in that case (Dees' recent poor conversion in front of goal, Cunningham struggling) even though Bentley would make more sense as a like-for-like replacement for Guerin.

 

[Eternal Schism]

People need to just realise that due to physical limitations the women's game will only ever reach a certain level of play and no changing rules or ground sizes will change that.

Just enjoy that bumbly fumbly form of football with the odd bit of brilliance and dial the expectations way way back.

Previously girls played footy when they were young, then gave it up at a certain age when playing with the boys was not possible. They had no pathway to continue on, and nothing professional to look forward to so they would focus on other endeavors. The current league is full of women who have chunks missing of their development, both physically and skill wise. Look at Roxy at Freo, that's a proper womens football physique, some of the ladies do not have the athletic training or body yet. Many have spent much more time focusing on other sports before returning to footy.

In the future girls can learn to play footy in childhood, continue to play through their schooling years, with women's teams there for them to progress onward with. Over time the player base increases, so does the standard of training, coaching, fitness and skills. Women won't choose a career in BB or Netball because footy was not a possibility, they can continue to do what they set out for. The standard will improve. It might take 10 years, the time between kids now getting that pathway, reaching 18 for draft age, but it will improve.

Will it ever be as fast as the mens game, maybe not, but it will be well above what it is right now.

 

[Biggie]

It might take 10 years, the time between kids now getting that pathway, reaching 18 for draft age, but it will improve.

Yes it will.

In 5 yrs. The talent is there, it’s just around the corner

 

[CakeEater]

The Afl are paying for a medical study on the link between menstrual cycles and injuries.

Will be interesting

 

[Biggie]

The Afl are paying for a medical study on the link between menstrual cycles and injuries.

Will be interesting

True? Wow that will be interesting to see.

 

[CakeEater]

True? Wow that will be interesting to see.

AFLW exploring link between player injuries and the menstrual cycle | Kirby Fenwick

Rehab and conditioning in women’s sport has been based on the learnings of men, but the AFLW is now addressing a hitherto taboo topic

www.theguardian.com

 

[Goosecat]

People need to just realise that due to physical limitations the women's game will only ever reach a certain level of play and no changing rules or ground sizes will change that.

Just enjoy that bumbly fumbly form of football with the odd bit of brilliance and dial the expectations way way back.

Rubbish!! Have you not been educated yet. Women are equal and as capable as men in every regard.