Current Aiia - International student murdered near Bundoora shopping centre Codey Hermann charged

[Shell]

How do they not have CCTV? You can see about 8 screens next to the driver's panel when you peer in.

Iirc guy on AW said 1/3 of trams have CCTV. All NEW trams have it.

 

[PP34]

A vigilante attack on the predator.

And how is this vigilante going to know when to attack?

Blokes like this, Bailey etc are very good at picking their moments to strike.

 

[red+black]

AW- PT spokesman confirmed there is CCTV footage of the tram and Aya

Does anyone know if there are CCTV cameras on every bus, tram and train? If not, there should be.

 

[Killer Power]

If it is a known offender then the DNA match should be incoming very quickly.

 

[Shell]

Does anyone know if there are CCTV cameras on every bus, tram and train? If not, there should be.

Im fairly certain the council for Sydney rd took their sweet ass time installing more cameras in that area. And a private business captured the actual interactions with jill and adrian (well one of them anyway )which led to his arrest.

 

[Run n Spread]

Im fairly certain the council for Sydney rd took their sweet ass time installing more cameras in that area. And a private business captured the actual interactions with jill and adrian (well one of them anyway )which led to his arrest.

What led to his arrest was his phone being pinged in the same location as hers after Police ran a trace for know Sex Offenders in the area. Initially they were wasting time chasing the husband.

 

[Run n Spread]

If it is a known offender then the DNA match should be incoming very quickly.

Depends if there is DNA and if he's is on record. DNA will have to be workable and traceable amount and can't be contaminated with too much.

 

[red+black]

Im fairly certain the council for Sydney rd took their sweet ass time installing more cameras in that area. And a private business captured the actual interactions with jill and adrian (well one of them anyway )which led to his arrest.

Yes, the Moreland Council argued that the cost (~$120,000 from memory) could not be justified and that cameras don't prevent crime, they just aid in solving crime, at least that was their opinion. I believe the footage of Adrian Bayley was from inside a bridal shop.

 

[Shell]

What led to his arrest was his phone being pinged in the same location as hers after Police ran a trace for know Sex Offenders in the area. Initially they were wasting time chasing the husband.

Yes, that too i know the case i think we all do

 

[Run n Spread]

A vigilante attack on the predator.

So what everyone forms a lynch mob and attacks those who they think may be a culprit?

 

[Run n Spread]

Would be easy to say enough is enough....but it is actually way to much and disgusting. Was too much and adequately highlighted with Jill Meaghsr.

How do we tolerate this as a society?

How do we accept domestic violence and wanton, random, opportunistic acts like this consistently?

Stop reporting road deaths and start reporting this to keep it front and centre.

Start with those that object to Gillette this week, I mean, really?

How many more have to senselessly and violently die before it is not OK?

Who's accepting it? And what's it got to do with a razor blade ad?

Enough has always been enough but what realistic steps can be taken? What do other countries with lower crime rates do? Why has Melbourne/Australia changed? Granted psychos have always existed but these types of crime are getting more extreme.

 

[Pugsley]

So what everyone forms a lynch mob and attacks those who they think may be a culprit?

No just follow someone behaving suspiciously.

 

[maryjames]

The police know who did it..

 

[Shell]

The police know who did it..

Anymore dets? Arrest imminent?

 

[maryjames]

Anymore dets? Arrest imminent?

Yes he will be caught unless kills him self

 

[The Warlord]

The police know who did it..

They usually do.

They knew it was Bayley pretty quickly with Jill Maher, they were right on to Sean Price with Masa V.

 

[The Warlord]

What led to his arrest was his phone being pinged in the same location as hers after Police ran a trace for know Sex Offenders in the area. Initially they were wasting time chasing the husband.

They weren't wasting their time as a very large percentage of the time, it is the husband.

 

[Pugsley]

Yes he will be caught unless kills him self

Save taxpayers money.

 

[The Warlord]

People saying this has to STOP and women have to be able to get home safely.

All very true, but there is no way to make it STOP right now.

I think soon there will be ways of making it STOP but whether society is ready for what that would entail - some pretty brutal eugenics - is another questions.

Reality is that Melbourne is a very, very safe place for women and that "stranger danger" gets the headlines, but it is family violence that is the real killer.

We tend to get one high profile stranger murder a year (more happen sure, and one is too many anyway) but one woman a week is being murdered by her partner.

 

[Run n Spread]

They weren't wasting their time as a very large percentage of the time, it is the husband.

True. But if there is no evidence it pays to conduct an investigation and assessing the evidence. Not just zero in on one target based on a hunch.

As in this case. Yes there is a very real urgency to get this offender off the streets pronto but you need to investigate fully and get your facts right.

People saying this has to STOP and women have to be able to get home safely.

All very true, but there is no way to make it STOP right now.

I think soon there will be ways of making it STOP but whether society is ready for what that would entail - some pretty brutal eugenics - is another questions.

Reality is that Melbourne is a very, very safe place for women and that "stranger danger" gets the headlines, but it is family violence that is the real killer.

We tend to get one high profile stranger murder a year (more happen sure, and one is too many anyway) but one woman a week is being murdered by her partner.

What brutal eugenics? Are you arguing this is genetic? Also the 50 women murdered domestically how do you quantify that with whatever brutal measures? (As in is there a discernable pattern)

If there was a simple answer it would've been implemented already.

 

[The Warlord]

Jill Meagher did the same thing- got on the phone with someone when Bayley was stalking her.

Obviously does s**t all.

Yep, exactly.

That's the thing about these men, they don't respond to "rational" stuff.

Bayley was raping and most likely killing a woman that night - Jill was literally in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[The Warlord]

True. But if there is no evidence it pays to conduct an investigation and assessing the evidence. Not just zero in on one target based on a hunch.

As in this case. Yes there is a very real urgency to get this offender off the streets pronto but you need to investigate fully and get your facts right.


What brutal eugenics? Are you arguing this is genetic? Also the 50 women murdered domestically how do you quantify that with whatever brutal measures? (As in is there a discernable pattern)

If there was a simple answer it would've been implemented already.

I'm saying that very very soon - next couple of years, within the decade at least - we will know the genes that affect this type of thing.

But it won't be a simple yes/no thing. It will be a thing where a woman does a test when pregnant, and they'll come back saying your embryo has genes that make it 50 per cent more likely than average for them to get certain cancers, 70 per cent heart disease, and oh they have the gene associated with random sexual violence.

As in, 95 per cent of men who commit these random sexual murders have this gene. But it doesn't mean that everyone who has this gene becomes a murderer.

There'll be a strong argument from many to simply "wipe" that gene out. But what if that same gene is associated with postive stuff as well, or you need it in your soldiers?

That kind of stuff.

 

[Iworkthecircus]

Not being a smart ass but , ever thought the high inflation of incomes in this country creates a twisted axis . Some country’s jiggy jig goes very cheap . On another hand our medical systems don’t actually test properly for stds. To many path labs competing now another wage axis at the detriment to humanity . IMO you have to be a very sick unit to do this .
Could be drug induced psychosis who knows not my beyond blue

 

[Run n Spread]

I'm saying that very very soon - next couple of years, within the decade at least - we will know the genes that affect this type of thing.

But it won't be a simple yes/no thing. It will be a thing where a woman does a test when pregnant, and they'll come back saying your embryo has genes that make it 50 per cent more likely than average for them to get certain cancers, 70 per cent heart disease, and oh they have the gene associated with random sexual violence.

As in, 95 per cent of men who commit these random sexual murders have this gene. But it doesn't mean that everyone who has this gene becomes a murderer.

There'll be a strong argument from many to simply "wipe" that gene out. But what if that same gene is associated with postive stuff as well, or you need it in your soldiers?

That kind of stuff.

But genes are not always a determiner nor absolute. They are influenced by environment. And as you say the end result from the same gene can mean very different outcomes.

e.g. Someone has a gene for aggression/non cooperation. (Put them in a positive environment they become a fierce defender of the poor and fight injustice. A negative one a violent criminal).

Someone has delayed emotional development and is triggered less easily (Put them in positive they become an intellectual genius. Negative a sociopath etc)

 

[Kurve]

If there was a simple answer it would've been implemented already.

There is no simple answer but imo men can take charge by being proactive in rejecting anything that dismisses and disrespects women, everyday casual sexism is the base of gendered violence and is where it starts.

Men who are violent against women won't listen to us, they're not afraid of us. They will listen to and are afraid of other men.