All Australian Captain.

[Chewy]

Honestly if you go through the structure on how the aflpa awards are voted for i think they are the biggest waste of time of any of the awards. The only award i lend any real weight to is the coaches awards.

These are also a bullshit exercise. The coaches mostly pump up their own star players. Internally Mick Malthouse may rate Luke Ball or Heath Shaw as his team's best players on the day, but in the Coaches' Award, he'll just go with the flow and give Swan or Pendles the top votes.

Not that I'm singling out Malthouse. All the coaches do it. Ziebell was a clear BOG in one game recently, but Brad Scott gave Daniel Wells his top votes because Wells was high up on the leaderboard and still in contention to win it.

You're a fool if you place all your faith in the coaches' votes. They are just as prone to hype and bullshit as every other award. AFL coaches are the most paranoid, guarded mofos around. Do you really think they're going to trumpet the good performances of their underrated, unheralded players? No way, Jose. They just give the BOGs to their hyped superstars.

 

[Nerv_01]

Honestly if you go through the structure on how the aflpa awards are voted for i think they are the biggest waste of time of any of the awards. The only award i lend any real weight to is the coaches awards.

Well he was second to his team mate Marc Murphy in that last time votes were shown so he must be going alright. If he was to win this award, which he won't, the next line would be "The only award I rate is the Herald Sun player of the Year" and so on.

 

[tombomb]

Im obviously very biased, but I am noticing a lot of Goodes love this year.

A combination of his great form, 300 games, and sydney having a good finish to the year and I think he is a very good chance. His leadership has been exceptional this year.

I think there are a few people (including a lot of sydney supporters) who are realising what a champion he is and how harshly he has been marked on some occassional inconsistency - when actually he has been consistently awesome since 2003 and on and off before then.

Other than his brownlow years, he never gets a look in with the top 5 players in the comp. Every time I see him play in person, he looks like a grown man running around against 17 year olds.

I think it will be ablett and goodes, dunno which order.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

This.

It doesn't matter how well judd plays in a given year there's always 'unbiased' anonymous armchair 'experts' trying to drag him down.

If Goodesy actually tackled anywhere near as much as judd (even though it's central to their game plan and why the sydney MC don't rate him as highly), and played with a similar consistency to ablett, pendles, judd, boyd etc. then u could compare him.

Goodes is easily comparable to Judd and Ablett, he's arguably the best player in the game (arguably because all three could take that title).

Pendlebury hasn't been doing it long enough and Boyd.....lol

 

[theoldfella]

What has Judd done by way of leadership compared to Ablett?

Has to be Gaz, surely.

Has to be who the AFL players think is the best player and captain in the league - Judd

 

[MF]

It would be nice to see it go to a one club captain as opposed to a captain for hire.

 

[Toohas]

With all due respect to Goodes, I can't see him being picked ahead of Ablett or Judd. I think their leadership has been more demonstrable. In Ablett's case, it's obviously due to the unusual position he found himself in as a figurehead for an expansion team, while for Judd, it's more the way his teammates speak about him and the example he sets around the club, which has raised the standards expected of the players the moment he arrived at the club.

 

[theoldfella]

It would be nice to see it go to a one club captain as opposed to a captain for hire.

It is about ability - not loyalty. Being a one club player should count for zero.

 

[Graffy4242]

It would be nice to see it go to a one club captain as opposed to a captain for hire.

Post smacks of massive jealousy or total ignorance. Take your pick.

 

[Bollox]

Why would anyone pick Judd ?..what the hell has he done to deserve it ?...avoid a third straight elimination final defeat ? Is that it ?

Ablett

 

[WCE_phil]

I honestly cant understand how anyone would want either ablett or judd as captain. Neither of them are true leaders, They might lead through example but they arent the sort of guys you'd go to war with. There's inspirational captains and these guys aren't it. In saying that though theres not many great captains doing the rounds these days imo.

Discounting the all australian part i'd have jon brown as captain of any team he wants to put his hand up and play for.

 

[Jesus Baulks]

Judd, with Pendlebury as VC. Two best players in the comp, one the captain of a top 5 team and the other the VC of the minor premiers. Logical choices.

 

[laminex]

What has Judd done by way of leadership compared to Ablett?

Has to be Gaz, surely.

what do you want him to do???

Very strange question you are asking.

 

[Bollox]

Some basic information to chew on for those thinking Judd might have a chance as AA captain, or is any way most worthy this season.

- In the last 3 seasons Judd has taken Carlton from 7th to 8th to 5th.
- In the last 3 seasons Judd has led Carlton to a < 50% record over the most vital closing 6 rounds leading into finals.
- In 2011 Judd has led Carlton to zero wins against top 4 teams.
- In 2011 Judd has only led carlton to wins they should have won or were expected to.
- In 2011 HnA season Judd led Carlton to just 4 wins from 10 starts against top 8 teams, 2 wins v Syd, 1 win v StK (early during their slump), 1 win v Ess.
- In 2011 Judd has well and truly played his best footy against bottom 8 clubs, and form dropped as finals approached, especially poor against other top 8 contenders late season.
- Season 2011 resulted in 2 HnA wins more than 2009 season.

This season Judd was staring down the barrel of captaining his 3rd straight elimination final loss. Not a record any captain would like. Perhaps lucky this year they played the least scarey opponent for 2011 finals.

Brett Ratten was under extreme pressure to hold his spot if Carlton didnt win a final this season...for some reason Judd's captaincy wasnt under pressure though after what seems a very average record on paper....may be simply because of his contract. Cant see any other reason his captaincy wouldnt at least be questioned the same way as Ratten's coaching.

In 2008 when Judd was given AA captaincy in his first yr at Carlton...Carlton finished 11th behind Brisbane. Judd finished =8th in Brownlow. Also available for captaincy (AA) - Riewoldt took aints from 11th to 4th and a prelim, Harley finished on top with Geelong then took them to a GF (was named VC behind Judd). Simon Black (Bris capt) was a shock omission from AA, finished 1 vote off winning Brownlow behind Cooney, so couldnt be named. Why Judd was named AA capt was and still is a mystery.

Like 2008 was for Judd, 2011 is Gary Ablett's first season at Gold Coast who were not expected to win even a single game by many. In 2011 Glass has taken WCE (with a massive return to individual form) from wooden spoon to 4th, including terrific second half of season form leading into finals. Goodes as well has had a consistent A standard season, led strongly going into finals with away wins over top 4 and top 8 clubs as well as (like Glass) had terrific individual form at the right time. Gary Ablett began under a cloud of injury but led strongly with individual performances all season.

In contention this season (likely/possible AA inclusions PLUS being club captain 2011)
- Glass, Goodes, Ablett, Judd, Boyd

After McLeod was given AA captain in 2007 it is not a rule that AA capt must be a club captain...so also in contention from other strong clubs this season (likely/possible AA inclusions but NOT club captain)
- Pendlebury, Mitchell, Dal Santo, Swan, Thompson

I fail to see one single reason why Chris Judd would be selected AA captain for 2011, unless (like in 2008) there is some sort of vibe attached to it.

My pick for MOST WORTHY choices they SHOULD consider (Assuming make the team)
Darren Glass(c) Adam Goodes (vc)

Also neither has been named captain before. To me both would seem more worthy on paper than C Judd in 2011. Honorable mention to G Ablett, who may be a smokey (only due to his club results not individually) and wouldnt be out of place.

The only reason i can find for people thinking Judd is worthy of AA captaincy in 2011 over Glass and/or Goodes is because they think he'll win the Brownlow, plays for their own club, or is a sucker for a vibe.This is about captaincy credentials for 2011..not who you think was a better player in 2011.

 

[eaglespremiers]

In 2011 Judd has well and truly played his best footy against bottom 8 clubs, and form dropped as finals approached, especially poor against other top 8 contenders late season.

Against top 8 teams
Excellent
Rd 6 - Sydney
Rd 17 - Collingwood
Rd 18 - Essendon

Great
Rd 3 - Collingwood

Good
Rd 4 - Essendon
Rd 7 - St Kilda
Rd 13 - Sydney

Average
Rd 9 - Geelong
Rd 14 - West Coast
Rd 24 - St Kilda

Poor
Rd 22 - Hawthorn

Verses Goodes
Against top 8 teams
Excellent
Rd 2 - Essendon
Rd 3 - West Coast
Rd 20 - Essendon

Great
Rd 23 - Geelong

Good
Rd 4 - Geelong
Rd 9 - Hawthorn
Rd 13 - Carlton
Rd 14 - Collingwood
Rd 22 - St Kilda

Average
Nil

Poor
Rd 6 - Carl

Not too dissimilar.

Judd and Glass are easily the best captains of the top 5 clubs.
Either could get it but there's no guarantee that Glass will make the team.
Ablett is unlikely to be given it because he captained a team that won three games. No matter what expectations may be on Gold Coast 3 wins can't give you AA captaincy.
Boyd has had a statistically very significant year but, boy, I'd be frustrated with him at times.
Dal Santo - No; Swan - No; Penblebury - unlikely.
Mitchell - hmm, leaving irony aside this doesn't actually seem out of place.

All you've done is trashed Judd (a lot of it is irrelevant) and you've given no reason why Goodes or Glass should be AA captain.

 

[Danair]

Adam Goodes, the best there is.

 

[choo]

Some basic information to chew on for those thinking Judd might have a chance as AA captain, or is any way most worthy this season.

- In the last 3 seasons Judd has taken Carlton from 7th to 8th to 5th.
- In the last 3 seasons Judd has led Carlton to a < 50% record over the most vital closing 6 rounds leading into finals.
- In 2011 Judd has led Carlton to zero wins against top 4 teams.
- In 2011 Judd has only led carlton to wins they should have won or were expected to.
- In 2011 HnA season Judd led Carlton to just 4 wins from 10 starts against top 8 teams, 2 wins v Syd, 1 win v StK (early during their slump), 1 win v Ess.
- In 2011 Judd has well and truly played his best footy against bottom 8 clubs, and form dropped as finals approached, especially poor against other top 8 contenders late season.
- Season 2011 resulted in 2 HnA wins more than 2009 season.

This season Judd was staring down the barrel of captaining his 3rd straight elimination final loss. Not a record any captain would like. Perhaps lucky this year they played the least scarey opponent for 2011 finals.

Brett Ratten was under extreme pressure to hold his spot if Carlton didnt win a final this season...for some reason Judd's captaincy wasnt under pressure though after what seems a very average record on paper....may be simply because of his contract. Cant see any other reason his captaincy wouldnt at least be questioned the same way as Ratten's coaching.

In 2008 when Judd was given AA captaincy in his first yr at Carlton...Carlton finished 11th behind Brisbane. Judd finished =8th in Brownlow. Also available for captaincy (AA) - Riewoldt took aints from 11th to 4th and a prelim, Harley finished on top with Geelong then took them to a GF (was named VC behind Judd). Simon Black (Bris capt) was a shock omission from AA, finished 1 vote off winning Brownlow behind Cooney, so couldnt be named. Why Judd was named AA capt was and still is a mystery.

Like 2008 was for Judd, 2011 is Gary Ablett's first season at Gold Coast who were not expected to win even a single game by many. In 2011 Glass has taken WCE (with a massive return to individual form) from wooden spoon to 4th, including terrific second half of season form leading into finals. Goodes as well has had a consistent A standard season, led strongly going into finals with away wins over top 4 and top 8 clubs as well as (like Glass) had terrific individual form at the right time. Gary Ablett began under a cloud of injury but led strongly with individual performances all season.

In contention this season (likely/possible AA inclusions PLUS being club captain 2011)
- Glass, Goodes, Ablett, Judd, Boyd

After McLeod was given AA captain in 2007 it is not a rule that AA capt must be a club captain...so also in contention from other strong clubs this season (likely/possible AA inclusions but NOT club captain)
- Pendlebury, Mitchell, Dal Santo, Swan, Thompson

I fail to see one single reason why Chris Judd would be selected AA captain for 2011, unless (like in 2008) there is some sort of vibe attached to it.

My pick for MOST WORTHY choices they SHOULD consider (Assuming make the team)
Darren Glass(c) Adam Goodes (vc)

Also neither has been named captain before. To me both would seem more worthy on paper than C Judd in 2011. Honorable mention to G Ablett, who may be a smokey (only due to his club results not individually) and wouldnt be out of place.

The only reason i can find for people thinking Judd is worthy of AA captaincy in 2011 over Glass and/or Goodes is because they think he'll win the Brownlow, plays for their own club, or is a sucker for a vibe.This is about captaincy credentials for 2011..not who you think was a better player in 2011.

You write
"Some basic information......................................................................................who you think was a better player in 2011"

But I read
"Blah, Blah, Blah, Boo Hoo"

 

[Nerv_01]

Some basic information to chew on for those thinking Judd might have a chance as AA captain, or is any way most worthy this season.

- In the last 3 seasons Judd has taken Carlton from 7th to 8th to 5th.
- In the last 3 seasons Judd has led Carlton to a < 50% record over the most vital closing 6 rounds leading into finals.
- In 2011 Judd has led Carlton to zero wins against top 4 teams.
- In 2011 Judd has only led carlton to wins they should have won or were expected to.
- In 2011 HnA season Judd led Carlton to just 4 wins from 10 starts against top 8 teams, 2 wins v Syd, 1 win v StK (early during their slump), 1 win v Ess.
- In 2011 Judd has well and truly played his best footy against bottom 8 clubs, and form dropped as finals approached, especially poor against other top 8 contenders late season.
- Season 2011 resulted in 2 HnA wins more than 2009 season.

This season Judd was staring down the barrel of captaining his 3rd straight elimination final loss. Not a record any captain would like. Perhaps lucky this year they played the least scarey opponent for 2011 finals.

Brett Ratten was under extreme pressure to hold his spot if Carlton didnt win a final this season...for some reason Judd's captaincy wasnt under pressure though after what seems a very average record on paper....may be simply because of his contract. Cant see any other reason his captaincy wouldnt at least be questioned the same way as Ratten's coaching.

In 2008 when Judd was given AA captaincy in his first yr at Carlton...Carlton finished 11th behind Brisbane. Judd finished =8th in Brownlow. Also available for captaincy (AA) - Riewoldt took aints from 11th to 4th and a prelim, Harley finished on top with Geelong then took them to a GF (was named VC behind Judd). Simon Black (Bris capt) was a shock omission from AA, finished 1 vote off winning Brownlow behind Cooney, so couldnt be named. Why Judd was named AA capt was and still is a mystery.

Like 2008 was for Judd, 2011 is Gary Ablett's first season at Gold Coast who were not expected to win even a single game by many. In 2011 Glass has taken WCE (with a massive return to individual form) from wooden spoon to 4th, including terrific second half of season form leading into finals. Goodes as well has had a consistent A standard season, led strongly going into finals with away wins over top 4 and top 8 clubs as well as (like Glass) had terrific individual form at the right time. Gary Ablett began under a cloud of injury but led strongly with individual performances all season.

In contention this season (likely/possible AA inclusions PLUS being club captain 2011)
- Glass, Goodes, Ablett, Judd, Boyd

After McLeod was given AA captain in 2007 it is not a rule that AA capt must be a club captain...so also in contention from other strong clubs this season (likely/possible AA inclusions but NOT club captain)
- Pendlebury, Mitchell, Dal Santo, Swan, Thompson

I fail to see one single reason why Chris Judd would be selected AA captain for 2011, unless (like in 2008) there is some sort of vibe attached to it.

My pick for MOST WORTHY choices they SHOULD consider (Assuming make the team)
Darren Glass(c) Adam Goodes (vc)

Also neither has been named captain before. To me both would seem more worthy on paper than C Judd in 2011. Honorable mention to G Ablett, who may be a smokey (only due to his club results not individually) and wouldnt be out of place.

The only reason i can find for people thinking Judd is worthy of AA captaincy in 2011 over Glass and/or Goodes is because they think he'll win the Brownlow, plays for their own club, or is a sucker for a vibe.This is about captaincy credentials for 2011..not who you think was a better player in 2011.

What do you mean 'expected to win'? most people had Carlton out of the 8 in their pre-season ladder predictions. Judd would be the favourite to take out AA captain he is most definitely worthy. The truth here is you have absolutely no idea about Judd as a captain as most of us don't. The only thing the general public can judge his captaincy on is his on-field performance and considering he just got voted MVP and best captain by the players I'm pretty sure his on-field performances have been pretty good.

A lot of people are suggesting Ablett should be captain in this thread, his team finished on the bottom of the ladder yet you take aim at Judd. I can't believe you wasted you're time writing that.

Can you honestly say you believe Carlton would be in the same position it is in now if they never got Judd?

 

[DO IT TO IT]

You write
"Some basic information......................................................................................who you think was a better player in 2011"

But I read
"Blah, Blah, Blah, Boo Hoo"

that says more about you than it does about bollox

 

[secondary]

Give it to Thommo!

 

[Blues_Man]

Some

The only reason i can find for people thinking Judd is worthy of AA captaincy in 2011 over Glass and/or Goodes is because they think he'll win the Brownlow, plays for their own club, or is a sucker for a vibe.This is about captaincy credentials for 2011..not who you think was a better player in 2011.

What a load of blather ..you really do have too much time on your hands

I guess the players are a sucker for the vibe...but then again what would the players know compared to you .

You could make a case for a number of players as captain and be content with any of them being named captain ..because like most of these awards it's pretty subjective .....Judd is a fine captain and leads his team from the front.

 

[Bollox]

Instead of looking like fools, perhaps the odd Carlton (and occasional empty nest feeling weagle fan) might prefer to add some substance to why they think Judd should be captain. Maybe just one reason might be good.

OR (because its early) here's an easy alternative questionnaire to follow.

1. * Do you genuinely feel that Chris Judd is a better choice for AA captaincy in 2011 than Darren Glass ? *
2. Please state a minimum of one solid reason (vibe and/or gibberish isnt considered a valid answer) why Chris Judd should be named All Australian captain ahead of Darren Glass for 2011.

* Blithering, stomping foot, mentioning swans losing, tantrums or any assorted childish pebble throwing will be taken as a "NO"

Thank You
As u Were

 

[jethro11]

judd, glass, pendlebury or ablett

All of them would at least be deserving.

 

[Off The Couch]

If Judd gets it I'll Fev all over my PC. How can an individualistic player be considered the best captain in the game. Shame on you all.

Seeing the results of the players awards this could get very nasty for your PC.

Personally I think ablett. I didn't think he would make a good captain as he really is all about himself (and I don't mean that in an awful way) but this season he has come out and not only played without the protection of his cats mates but IMO played even better. Even when they have been on the end of some drubbings I have not once seen him castigate a player, appear frustrated or drop his head and when young guys have done something special he has been the first across to congratulate them. He is obviously enjoying his football and that enjoyment is also reflected across the team. It's easy to captain a good side that needs little direction but to captain a side that needs guidance across the field and still have an outstanding contribution yourself - well that's a good captain

 

[choo]

Judd was voted by the players as MVP
Judd was voted by the players as best captain
Judd has very few experienced players on the field with him. Scotland prior to this year was questioned about his attitude and association with Fevola. Leaving Simpson as the only player with substantial experience and credibility.

Glass has Cox, Embley and Kerr all of whom have had great seasons and been credited with reviving the Eagles. They are all 200 game players with premiership experience.

The measure of best captain is; where would the team be without him. Eagles, clearly have more back up.

Glass has done a great job to return to top form and lead his team but surely the players would have a fair idea.