Are Carlton on the verge of greatness?

[SC_Power]

Yes OP they are on the verge of something 'great'.


Great disappointment.

 

[kranky al]

No team has ever survived after hitting 0-3! Look what happened to University!

They got fked over by the coalition in covid?

 

[beema limapep]

If that occurs, season will be hanging on a thread and will be over if they lose to bulldogs and fall to 0-3

Or worse still, Vossy still there at 0-3 and come up against Collingwood (their home game).

 

[parsons nose]

This year... Sydney need to choke for someone else to win it.

As for future years. There's a club with a strong premiership pedigree starting to build nicely that should start worry a few clubs wishing to contend in the next few years.

Yep. Still got the likes of Worpel, Dear and Lewis to come back too!

 

[ShereKhan]

Here is the list of Carlton players I’d currently rate as very good to excellent footballers:

Cripps
Saad
Weitering
Newman (ACL)
Curnow
Cerra
Walsh
TDK

That’s 7 playing this season.

Here is the list for the Lions:

Zorko
Neale
Cameron
Andrews
McCluggage
Dunkley
McInerney
Bailey
Rayner
Starcevich
Ashcroft


That’s 11.

Then GWS:
Greene
Whitfield
Coniglio
Kelly
Himmelberg
Hogan
Taylor
Daniels
Green
Ash/Idun (I’ll count one of those two)
Buckley
Callaghan

So there’s 12 for GWS.

And Geelong:
Danger
Blicavs
Cameron
Stewart
Miers
Smith
Z Guthrie
Close
Stengle
Holmes
SDK
Dempsey

That’s 12.

Needless to say, Carlton are absolutely nowhere near being in flag contention.


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[Fadge]

Here is the list of Carlton players I’d currently rate as very good to excellent footballers:

Cripps
Saad
Weitering
Newman (ACL)
Curnow
Cerra
Walsh
TDK

That’s 7 playing this season.

Here is the list for the Lions:

Zorko
Neale
Cameron
Andrews
McCluggage
Dunkley
McInerney
Bailey
Rayner
Starcevich
Ashcroft


That’s 11.

Then GWS:
Greene
Whitfield
Coniglio
Kelly
Himmelberg
Hogan
Taylor
Daniels
Green
Ash/Idun (I’ll count one of those two)
Buckley
Callaghan

So there’s 12 for GWS.

And Geelong:
Danger
Blicavs
Cameron
Stewart
Miers
Smith
Z Guthrie
Close
Stengle
Holmes
SDK
Dempsey

That’s 12.

Needless to say, Carlton are absolutely nowhere near being in flag contention.


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The thing with Carlton is that it's not just about their best 6, or 7, or 10. You look at the difference between the quality of the next level of players.

I did an exercise with Carlton and Collingwood's list, picking the best 30 players from both lists. 18 of the 30 were Collingwood players.

It would be the same, if not more pronounced, with the likes of Brisbane, GWS, Geelong, etc.

I also think you were a bit generous listing Saad for Carlton. It's not 2022 any more, and I'd have Coleman or Lohmann - two players who weren't listed for Brisbane but have done more in finals than any Carlton player aside from Walsh - ahead of Saad going into 2025.

 

[MisterMarcus]

The thing with Carlton is that it's not just about their best 6, or 7, or 10. You look at the difference between the quality of the next level of players.

I did an exercise with Carlton and Collingwood's list, picking the best 30 players from both lists. 18 of the 30 were Collingwood players.

It would be the same, if not more pronounced, with the likes of Brisbane, GWS, Geelong, etc.

I also think you were a bit generous listing Saad for Carlton. It's not 2022 any more, and I'd have Coleman or Lohmann - two players who weren't listed for Brisbane but have done more in finals than any Carlton player aside from Walsh - ahead of Saad going into 2025.

TDK would be better than any of our rucks. Weitering would obviously slot in ahead of a raw kid like COS or Mullin. Walsh and Cripps ahead of (say) Bowes and Knevitt. One of Charlie or Harry ahead of Shannon Neale. Probably Saad as the experienced head over one of our younger fringe-22 types.

I'm starting to struggle a bit after that.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

TDK would be better than any of our rucks. Weitering would obviously slot in ahead of a raw kid like COS or Mullin. Walsh and Cripps ahead of (say) Bowes and Knevitt. One of Charlie or Harry ahead of Shannon Neale. Probably Saad as the experienced head over one of our younger fringe-22 types.

I'm starting to struggle a bit after that.

And yet last time we played all our plodders seemed unbeatable... How odd

 

[Mr Meow]

And yet last time we played all our plodders seemed unbeatable... How odd

That felt like the wave of momentum Richmond were riding 2017. But then it just fizzled out.

 

[Cdog71]

They need an offensive player who can break the lines and take the game on.
Curnow is a really good player who’s hard to deal with when he’s on but that’s it.
Motlop just doesn’t look to have a lot in the trick bag.
So many of their players look like conservative players, accumulator’s even Jagger Smith looks to be in that sortve mould.
Geelong finally won a flag after getting in a good small fwd and they’ve got Holmes and Danger still plays well and others.
Carlton don’t look to have much of that sortve talent.
Cripps can will himself into the contest still but after that they don’t seem to have anyone who intimidates the oppo when they get the ball or near the ball outside of Curnow

 

[Cyclops]

All things are possible. Great administrator, coach who can get them rolling, fine stars.

Take them fir granted and you might play them into form.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

That felt like the wave of momentum Richmond were riding 2017. But then it just fizzled out.

Fizzled out is one way to put it.

I think it will share a few similarities with tonight's game.

 

[NetworkNerd]

Until they are mathematically out of the 8 they will always be a dangerous side imo

 

[WillHayward]

Until they are mathematically out of the 8 they will always be a dangerous side imo

A danger to themselves and their own fans sure.

 

[Fadge]

I reckon a 50 year premiership drought is 'great'.

For neutrals.

 

[Havoc]

The thing with Carlton is that it's not just about their best 6, or 7, or 10. You look at the difference between the quality of the next level of players.

I did an exercise with Carlton and Collingwood's list, picking the best 30 players from both lists. 18 of the 30 were Collingwood players.

It would be the same, if not more pronounced, with the likes of Brisbane, GWS, Geelong, etc.

I also think you were a bit generous listing Saad for Carlton. It's not 2022 any more, and I'd have Coleman or Lohmann - two players who weren't listed for Brisbane but have done more in finals than any Carlton player aside from Walsh - ahead of Saad going into 2025.

People said the same about us in 2016.. too reliant on Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Rance and Riewoldt, with the rest of the list being full of plodders.

Carlton need to target solid B grade players this off season aka meat and potatoes players.. we did so in 2016 by bringing in Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis. If they get some new assistant coaches in the box it'll help too.

 

[Fadge]

People said the same about us in 2016.. too reliant on Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Rance and Riewoldt, with the rest of the list being full of plodders.

Carlton need to target solid B grade players this off season aka meat and potatoes players.. we did so in 2016 by bringing in Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis. If they get some new assistant coaches in the box it'll help too.

Give it up.

Carlton's list is FUBARed.

There's no way to recover it given their salary cap situation.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

People said the same about us in 2016.. too reliant on Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Rance and Riewoldt, with the rest of the list being full of plodders.

Carlton need to target solid B grade players this off season aka meat and potatoes players.. we did so in 2016 by bringing in Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis. If they get some new assistant coaches in the box it'll help too.

Well said

 

[Saint12]

People said the same about us in 2016.. too reliant on Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Rance and Riewoldt, with the rest of the list being full of plodders.

Carlton need to target solid B grade players this off season aka meat and potatoes players.. we did so in 2016 by bringing in Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis. If they get some new assistant coaches in the box it'll help too.

Nankervis and Prestia are still available I think

 

[kozi]

On the verge of another rebuild

 

[NetworkNerd]

When season 2026 commences Carlton will have 10 players over 30, most are best 23.

Haynes
Newman
Docherty
Saad
Williams
McGovern
Cripps
Fantasia
Acres
Hewitt

The time is the next 2-3 years then maybe a refresh and go again when curnow/mckay/weitering get to 30+

 

[Fadge]

When season 2026 commences Carlton will have 10 players over 30, most are best 23.

Haynes
Newman
Docherty
Saad
Williams
McGovern
Cripps
Fantasia
Acres
Hewitt

The time is the next 2-3 years then maybe a refresh and go again when curnow/mckay/weitering get to 30+

So you're saying their list has peaked?

 

[MisterMarcus]

When season 2026 commences Carlton will have 10 players over 30, most are best 23.

Haynes
Newman
Docherty
Saad
Williams
McGovern
Cripps
Fantasia
Acres
Hewitt

The time is the next 2-3 years then maybe a refresh and go again when curnow/mckay/weitering get to 30+

They're the 8th oldest list in 2025.

Pretty much everyone else in the same age bracket is a genuine contender in 2025 except Sydney (who have been smashed by injuries).

 

[jakson68]

When season 2026 commences Carlton will have 10 players over 30, most are best 23.

Haynes
Newman
Docherty
Saad
Williams
McGovern
Cripps
Fantasia
Acres
Hewitt

The time is the next 2-3 years then maybe a refresh and go again when curnow/mckay/weitering get to 30+

Go again?
When did they go the first time?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

When season 2026 commences Carlton will have 10 players over 30, most are best 23.

Haynes
Newman
Docherty
Saad
Williams
McGovern
Cripps
Fantasia
Acres
Hewitt

The time is the next 2-3 years then maybe a refresh and go again when curnow/mckay/weitering get to 30+

Been told none of them are any good anyway so shouldn't have much issues in replacing them