Player Watch Ash Johnson (Delisted 2025)

[sr36]

Maybe we should try and get his brother from Adelaide, I reckon AJ would love it and his brother ain't bad

Who's his brother?

 

[gouki88]

Who's his brother?

Shane McAdam - think he's half-brother?

 

[manicpie]

Who's his brother?

McAdam

 

[sr36]

McAdam

Good breeding - also related to Gilbert and Adrian then.

 

[Scodog10]

Good breeding - also related to Gilbert and Adrian then.

+ a couple of the guys up at GC. I want to say Farrar and Jeffrey.

 

[Jen2310]

+ a couple of the guys up at GC. I want to say Farrar and Jeffrey.

Farrar for sure. Its his cousin. Unsure about Jeffrey.

 

[noideaatall]

Similar is good - it's who he'd be chopping out.

I'm a fan of McStay, Mihocek and Howe. Thought it looked excellent. Just gave a great contest. Unless we're willing to play the second ruck out of defence - it'll be a guy who chops out the three tall forwards and ruck. When Moore is back, if Frampton becomes the second ruck- he may also chop out the defenders for the very short period of time that they need it - he's also excellent injury cover.

That would be a minor part of his role. Arguably most of his time on the ground mcstsy would be there also. I am not sold on Freddie, reward doesn't justify risk

 

[RobJD]

I would have thought he is too similar to mcstay. Great to have people crunching packs but a mark occasionally would be nice.

He's much more athletic than McStay and puts in stronger defensive efforts (tackles, smothers, chases).

 

[sr36]

That would be a minor part of his role. Arguably most of his time on the ground mcstsy would be there also. I am not sold on Freddie, reward doesn't justify risk

I was more just suggesting that we don't need him to be a point of difference, rather than just looking at McStay. For us, with what we've got - we need to think of it as just a rotation role. As none of them are going to be best 18. Cox,AJ,Frampton,Freddy - they're not in our best forward line. So rather than a point of difference, we should be looking for a guy who does the best job of chopping out the ruck and the other talls. To me, anyone who can compete in the ruck and play similarly to our tall forwards would be ideal.

 

[ipswichpies]

I would have thought he is too similar to mcstay. Great to have people crunching packs but a mark occasionally would be nice.

Actually Kruger is faster than McStay and a much more physical player also,crashes packs and you often see him catch players from behind he has very good speed for 196cm.

I would say he would also be more than even with both McStay and Johnson in the air,I think it is too late for him this season but if he stays on the field he may well be playing next year.

I used to think Johnson had it all over him for talent but watching closely it is not so clear cut and Kruger is definitely a harder man.

 

[ipswichpies]

He's much more athletic than McStay and puts in stronger defensive efforts (tackles, smothers, chases).

Agree 100% he is actually even more athletic than Johnson also, he has just been dreadfully unlucky with injury but he really works hard defensively,I really think but for injury he would be entrenched in the team.

 

[VinnieB]

And………

Not sure cherry picking 1 stat in isolation for a player is overly meaningful. I agree, he needs to work harder defensively, but I’m not sure tackles is the only measure of that.

Must be his haircut they don’t like…

 

[Mollythedolly]

Do you have a stat demonstrating defensive application that counters this? Because tackle numbers is a reasonable measuring stick.

He averages more tackles per game than Moore and Howe whose main role is to defend, and is in the same cluster as Markov, only 0.6 tackles a game behind Hill who is a pressure forward. I’m sure the club would have more stats on his defensive application. I’d be happy to see it improve but as I said, I don’t think cherry picking 1 stat gives much of an insight.

 

[PieBeast]

Actually Kruger is faster than McStay and a much more physical player also,crashes packs and you often see him catch players from behind he has very good speed for 196cm.

I would say he would also be more than even with both McStay and Johnson in the air,I think it is too late for him this season but if he stays on the field he may well be playing next year.

I used to think Johnson had it all over him for talent but watching closely it is not so clear cut and Kruger is definitely a harder man.

Kreuger is harder than Ash no doubt but he lacks game sense, not too mention his injury woes real or imaginary.

Talent wise them two aren't even in the same stratosphere, the only thing holding back Ash is the lack of urgency in his game.

 

[ipswichpies]

Kreuger is harder than Ash no doubt but he lacks game sense, not too mention his injury woes real or imaginary.

Talent wise them two aren't even in the same stratosphere, the only thing holding back Ash is the lack of urgency in his game.

As I said I use to think that way also but upon closer examination it really is not true I think Kruger is faster than AJ over the ground and is a good kick also. I just think because he has had so many injury dramas I do not think we have seen anything like what he may capable of.

He catches player,s with the ball because they underestimate his closing speed he is also younger than AJ the main thing is he is actually staying on the field these days and we may find out what he is capable of.

Back on AJ unless he finds a sense of urgency he may have a very long career which would dreadful because like you I think he is an untapped talent but it is up to him to full fill it.

 

[sr36]

Kreuger is harder than Ash no doubt but he lacks game sense, not too mention his injury woes real or imaginary.

Talent wise them two aren't even in the same stratosphere, the only thing holding back Ash is the lack of urgency in his game.

Probably depends on how we're defining talent. Apart from durability, Kreuger is almost a prototype athlete for an AFL tall. Great size, strength, pace and agility. But AJ has him well and truly covered for balance and skill.

 

[windchimes]

Probably depends on how we're defining talent. Apart from durability, Kreuger is almost a prototype athlete for an AFL tall. Great size, strength, pace and agility. But AJ has him well and truly covered for balance and skill.

They have what each other lack (fwiw I think both will make it)

Ash has the tidiness and durability, and Kreuger has the physicality, intensity, defensive efforts etc.

If we could make an Ash and Freddy combo we would have one Ablett Snr.

 

[Markfs]

Probably depends on how we're defining talent. Apart from durability, Kreuger is almost a prototype athlete for an AFL tall. Great size, strength, pace and agility. But AJ has him well and truly covered for balance and skill.

I tend to judge players on impact on the ground...whether they get the ball, or mark it or lay a tackle or 1%ers etc. I dont sit watching the telly marvelling at their size etc.

 

[Bianconeri]

Probably depends on how we're defining talent. Apart from durability, Kreuger is almost a prototype athlete for an AFL tall. Great size, strength, pace and agility. But AJ has him well and truly covered for balance and skill.

I’d call that athleticism rather than talent. Meanwhile he has poor hands, average goal sense and forward smarts and couldn’t approach an aerial contest properly until midway this year.

 

[domus]

I don't think I've seen Krueger clunk an overhead mark at senior level. He flies high but double grabs and fumbles. The same can be said for his ground skills. He seems very fumbly and kamikaze. Some poise is required.

 

[noideaatall]

I don't think I've seen Krueger clunk an overhead mark at senior level. He flies high but double grabs and fumbles. The same can be said for his ground skills. He seems very fumbly and kamikaze. Some poise is required.

Yet Pparently our best ruck & forward. Gets better every week he doesn't play.

 

[gouki88]

I don't think I've seen Krueger clunk an overhead mark at senior level. He flies high but double grabs and fumbles. The same can be said for his ground skills. He seems very fumbly and kamikaze. Some poise is required.

Have you watched him play? He does love the smash and crash, but he has taken several overhead marks

 

[jathanas]

They have what each other lack (fwiw I think both will make it)

Ash has the tidiness and durability, and Kreuger has the physicality, intensity, defensive efforts etc.

If we could make an Ash and Freddy combo we would have one Ablett Snr.

What if your crazy science expirement backfired and you got a player who combined the worst of both?

I kid.

Am a fan of both players and see them as having strengths that far outweigh any perceived weakness.

 

[Professor Knowall]

What if your crazy science expirement backfired and you got a player who combined the worst of both? …

That reminds me of the famous exchange between the playwright George Bernard Shaw and the glamorous dancer Isadora Duncan on the topic of producing a child together. Duncan told Shaw he had a magnificent brain and she a glorious beauty -
the combination would yield a remarkable child. Shaw regretfully replied “My dear, I fear the result would be my beauty
and your brains”.

 

[Markfs]

That reminds me of the famous exchange between the playwright George Bernard Shaw and the glamorous dancer Isadora Duncan on the topic of producing a child together. Duncan told Shaw he had a magnificent brain and she had a glorious beauty - the combination would yield a remarkable child. Shaw regretfully replied “My dear, I fear the result would be my beauty and your brains”.

So the guy with the magnificent brain shoots himself in the foot when he has the opportunity of having sex with the beautiful dancer.....