Australian ODI Squad - 2014/15

[bombersfan4000]

Not his fault if a catch is fluffed or a stumping or a runout. He cashed in. Also does that explain his performances in the last year or so? NO!

the anti Finchers wouldn't really be able to call out a 'Finch Lover' at the moment as his record for the last 12-18 months speaks for itself. Our best performed batsmen I would presume at a guess. Scratch that not presuming, he flat out has been...

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;spanmin1=14 Aug 2013;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

On the flip side I can with quite some ease call out anyone who is critical of Finch, the anti Finch bunch don't have a leg to stand on atm. You were talking about laughing. I laugh that even as late as Jan-Feb 2015 some still were willing to omit our most productive batsmen from their mock side

Maxwell is our 3rd best performing batsmen

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Maxwell is our 3rd best performing batsmen

His average is worse than Watson so take that with a grain of salt. Has found a bit of touch of late though.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

His average is worse than Watson so take that with a grain of salt.

Watson also has a better average than Finch, Warner and Smith...are they worthy of being mocked for that fact?

Another unnecessary snipe at Watson who has been an excellent ODI player for this country.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Watson also has a better average than Finch, Warner and Smith...are they worthy of being mocked for that fact?

Firstly I used the last 18 months as recent form is far more important than historical averages. Helps to differentiate with who actually is currently performing rather than relying their historical average based on good performances in the distant past. So let's refine that 18 month player comparison even further to 2014

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al2=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

So it doesn't matter whether it's 12 months or 18 months like here:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

Finch, Warner and Smith are comfortably outperforming Watson. I do not think he deserves to be in our top 3.

Even expanding out to 2 years from today doesn't flatter Watson

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

I'm starting to get a bit baffled as to how you're actually able to mount an affirmative Watson argument.

If you think an average of 23 is acceptable for someone in the team in the last 12 months, let alone batting in the top 3 then that confirms your clear bias towards Watson.

Another unnecessary snipe at Watson who has been an excellent ODI player for this country.

Quite necessary. I'm being objective, he scores runs I stop asking for his removal from the side. Very very simple concept.

 

[CountryRace]

Firstly I used the last 18 months as recent form is far more important than historical averages. Helps to differentiate with who actually is currently performing rather than relying their historical average based on good performances in the distant past. So let's refine that 18 month player comparison even further to 2014

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;spanmax2=31 Dec 2014;spanmin2=1 Jan 2014;spanval2=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

So it doesn't matter whether it's 12 months or 18 months like here:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;spanmin1=14 Aug 2013;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

Finch, Warner and Smith are comfortably outperforming Watson. I do not think he deserves to be in our top 3.

Even expanding out to 2 years from today doesn't flatter Watson

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;spanmin1=15 Feb 2013;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

I'm starting to get a bit baffled as to how you're actually able to mount an affirmative Watson argument.

If you think an average of 23 is acceptable for someone in the team in the last 12 months, let alone batting in the top 3 then that confirms your clear bias towards Watson.

Quite necessary. I'm being objective, he scores runs I stop asking for his removal from the side. Very very simple concept.

SE Marsh 4 4 1 177 71* 59.00 227 77.97 0 2 0 19 0
SPD Smith 12 12 1 541 104 49.18 612 88.39 2 3 0 44 4
MR Marsh 8 8 1 321 89 45.85 346 92.77 0 3 0 20 14
AJ Finch 18 18 0 790 121 43.88 940 84.04 4 3 2 78 13
JP Faulkner 14 12 6 262 69* 43.66 264 99.24 0 1 1 22 6
DA Warner 11 11 0 406 71 36.90 437 92.90 0 4 1 40 10
MJ Clarke 6 6 1 181 68* 36.20 238 76.05 0 1 0 15 0
PJ Hughes 5 5 0 166 85 33.20 215 77.20 0 2 0 17 1
BJ Haddin 11 10 3 224 49 32.00 288 77.77 0 0 0 16 8
MS Wade 7 7 1 171 52 28.50 228 75.00 0 1 0 11 1
BCJ Cutting 1 1 0 26 26 26.00 22 118.18 0 0 0 2 1
GJ Bailey 17 17 1 406 70 25.37 544 74.63 0 3 1 21 8
GJ Maxwell 17 16 1 380 93 25.33 352 107.95 0 3 2 38 7
SR Watson 7 7 0 165 82 23.57 215 76.74 0 1 2 15 3

 

[CountryRace]

Watson also has a better average than Finch, Warner and Smith...are they worthy of being mocked for that fact?

Another unnecessary snipe at Watson who has been an excellent ODI player for this country.

AJ Finch 18 18 0 790 121 43.88 940 84.04 4 3 2 78 13
SPD Smith 12 12 1 541 104 49.18 612 88.39 2 3 0 44 4
GJ Bailey 17 17 1 406 70 25.37 544 74.63 0 3 1 21 8
DA Warner 11 11 0 406 71 36.90 437 92.90 0 4 1 40 10
GJ Maxwell 17 16 1 380 93 25.33 352 107.95 0 3 2 38 7
MR Marsh 8 8 1 321 89 45.85 346 92.77 0 3 0 20 14
JP Faulkner 14 12 6 262 69* 43.66 264 99.24 0 1 1 22 6
BJ Haddin 11 10 3 224 49 32.00 288 77.77 0 0 0 16 8
MJ Clarke 6 6 1 181 68* 36.20 238 76.05 0 1 0 15 0
SE Marsh 4 4 1 177 71* 59.00 227 77.97 0 2 0 19 0
MS Wade 7 7 1 171 52 28.50 228 75.00 0 1 0 11 1
PJ Hughes 5 5 0 166 85 33.20 215 77.20 0 2 0 17 1
SR Watson 7 7 0 165 82 23.57 215 76.74 0 1 2 15 3

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Why are recent stats being used against me when my original comment was regarding career statistics?

I have freely acknowledged on another thread that Watson being dropped would be justified. I just think somebody has a right to stand up for an Australian player when they get abused 24/7.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Why are recent stats being used against me when my original comment was regarding career statistics?

Because career averages don't matter, recent averages do and as such my comment was justified and not therefore an unnecessary snipe..

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Because career averages don't matter, recent averages do.

But you said this...

His average is worse than Watson so take that with a grain of salt.

But that doesn't matter even though you said it?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

But you said this...

But that doesn't matter even though you said it?

Learn to comprehend. Maxwell being our 3rd most productive player of the last 18 months should be taken with a grain of salt because his recent average has been lower than Watson who has been ordinary.

Essentially I'm saying he's 3rd on that list because he's played more games than others not because he's been the 3rd best batsmen in that period.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Learn to comprehend. Maxwell being our 3rd most productive player of the last 18 months should be taken with a grain of salt because his recent average has been lower than Watson who has been ordinary.

Essentially I'm saying he's 3rd on that list because he's played more games than others not because he's been the 3rd best batsmen in that period.

Maxwell's average has been lower than Watson recently? I find that hard to believe, given the vitriol that gets thrown Shane's way.

 

[Kram]

All the Robot haterz out in full force today

 

[Millky95]

I'm just worried that Watson isn't up to playing the bigger sides. If he constantly fails against bigger sides but does reasonable or bigger against the minnows, is he still worth being in the side? Last game he got a great ball. His 3 overs weren't that flash either. An inform and firing Watson is great for world cricket. When he isn't though...

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Maxwell's average has been lower than Watson recently? I find that hard to believe, given the vitriol that gets thrown Shane's way.

In that graphic which I posted for completely different reasons which was quoted yes it was lower, nothing I said was non-factual.

In the last 6 months though (aug 15 to feb 15) they are almost identical in that regard

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

and there have been many asking for Maxwell's head in the last 6 months, why shouldn't the same apply to Shane? who unlike Maxwell has legitimate competition while Maxwell only has to compete with Doherty for a spot as spinner, which will see his batting be a very important consideration.

 

[damochandler]

there is still players ahead of finch for test spots. i'd nearly put lynn ahead of him

 

[Carbine Chaos]

and there have been many asking for Maxwell's head in the last 6 months, why shouldn't the same apply to Shane?

Huh? Everybody is calling for Shane's head, moreso than Maxwell. Even I, his biggest supporter, has said that his dropping would be warranted if it eventuated. Obviously the selectors consider him (for now) to be worth persevering with.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

there is still players ahead of finch for test spots.

Only about 400.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Only about 400.

Bit generous, even Bacchus would be ahead of him atm

 

[damochandler]

Only about 400.

listen to the gov 14 minutes in

 

[Kram]

there is still players ahead of finch for test spots. i'd nearly put lynn ahead of him

Bringing JL out of retirement would be a better option than giving Finch a Test cap.

 

[bird_man]

I am by no means a Watson hater. He would be in Australia's greatest ever ODI side IMO. His problem is, his form slump has come at a time when Maxwell, Marsh and Faulkner are all in really good form and I don't think they can all fit into one side. I think Faulkner will come back in at 7 or 8 which leaves Watson fighting for a spot with Marsh who has out performed him convincingly with bat and now ball. Smith is suited to bat at 3 and Clarke at 4, which leaves Watson in big trouble IMO.

Let's hope he makes a big score next week and makes it extremely tough for the selectors...

 

[bird_man]

Maxwell's average has been lower than Watson recently? I find that hard to believe, given the vitriol that gets thrown Shane's way.

Maybe you don't remember the vitriol thrown Maxwells way most of the summer?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I honestly think Watson would do a better job in the middle order than Bailey, but I understand I have a lack of evidence/recent form to support that theory.

 

[damochandler]

can't keep carrying watson.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Maybe you don't remember the vitriol thrown Maxwells way most of the summer?

Compared to what goes Watson's way it seems tiny in comparison, and that is saying something.

I don't recall a cricketer who cops more from the home fans than Watson has.