Barham

[Brent24]

Won't make it unless his kicking improves drastically. Speed and effort can only get you so far.

 

[Teak_Pies]

Leave him alone he knows that he has to improve his kicking. He was 1 out of only a few who looked like they wanted be there.

 

[Invigoration]

Yep thats the way to go put crap on a second gamer when you have a bloke like Lockyer kicking to a 50/50 in the dying seconds of the game

Wtf was he thinking?! He had Toovey free in the Members side pocket too, I couldn't fathom what was going through his mind.

Barham's kicking is appalling, but he chases so hard and chucks his body around, I love his endeavour.
Malthouse took him out of the game after the first quarter, think he realised we couldn't afford those turnovers. But he had some decent spoils down back.
He could make a nice tagger, but until then get Bucks to drag him out for extra training hours.

 

[rand corp]

Love his endeavor and pace but his disposal by foot will kill his career if he can't sort it out quick smart -and it has to be said that few can overcome kicking / turnover problems as adult footballers.

 

[alfio]

Modern game where possession is name of game missing a target by ten meters will sure cost more goals than he will stop with his endeavor.
Good luck improving the kicking your up against it.

 

[loki04]

Just another one to add to our list of poor disposers at our club.

Toovey
Barham
Johnson
O'bree
Goldsack
Cloke
Thomas
Bryan
L.brown
Swan
Maxwell
N.Brown

All are poor/unreliable user's of the footy or kick to poor options regularly.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

^ Thomas' disposal is excellent, he just has no left foot.
Bryan's disposal is very good, he just takes half an hour to make a decision.
Maxwell's disposal is very good.
We don't have a player named J. Brown.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We don't have a player named J. Brown.

Unfortunately

 

[Alexander323bc]

Everything can be tought and improved, including kicking and decision making under pressure. However the player needs to want to improve.
The problem is that their disposal skills under pressure will not improve in the 2s as the pressure there is nowhere near the AFL level.
But at the end of the day, it all comes down to the player. He needs to want to improve. In Barham's case he needs to want to practice his kicking instead of going down to Bells beach during his spare time. It is all down to the player and choices they make.

 

[chop_me]

Everything can be tought and improved, including kicking and decision making under pressure. However the player needs to want to improve.
The problem is that their disposal skills under pressure will not improve in the 2s as the pressure there is nowhere near the AFL level.
But at the end of the day, it all comes down to the player. He needs to want to improve. In Barham's case he needs to want to practice his kicking instead of going down to Bells beach during his spare time. It is all down to the player and choices they make.

rather than spending resources on teaching somebody to kick..... i wonder if it's worth picking someone who can kick to start off with... ..

 

[loki04]

^ Thomas' disposal is excellent, he just has no left foot.
Bryan's disposal is very good, he just takes half an hour to make a decision.
Maxwell's disposal is very good.
We don't have a player named J. Brown.

J.Brown was a TYPO "N".Brown .

Thomas disposal isn't excellent he quite often ruins his great runs with poor delivery at the end.

Maxwell disposal is tidy but quite often chooses the wrong option and also does the odd turnover for someone who gets as low pos count that isn't good.

 

[DoubleO7]

^ Thomas' disposal is excellent, he just has no left foot.

Both the times Thomas used his left foot he actually hit a target. The first one occurred when he was running at full pelt along the wing and had no other choice but to use his opposite foot. The resultant kick ended up in Medhurst's(?) arms about 45 meters out from goal.

The myth that Thomas has no left foot stems from the fact that he refuses to use it otherwise when he elects use it, he uses it well enough, IMHO.

 

[buzzbuzz]

Maxwell, Cloke, Thomas, N. Brown, Bryan and Swan all have good foot skills. Toovey is 60/40 good and bad. Barham is 40/60. O'Bree is 70/30 good and bad. About the same for Johnson. What we need is 18 of 22 players to have 80/20 foot skills. Especially to play a shitty round the boundary precise short passing game.

 

[mdc]

Just another one to add to our list of poor disposers at our club.

Toovey
Barham
Johnson
O'bree
Goldsack
Cloke
Thomas
Bryan
L.brown
Swan
Maxwell
N.Brown

All are poor/unreliable user's of the footy or kick to poor options regularly.

I actually agree with that entire list, unfortunately.

 

[Quicky]

Barham was not helped by Malthouses coaching yesterday. Malthouse left him out to dry on Lovett 1 on 1 as a defender. Barham is not a small defender and should not have been left in defense at all. This put him under alot of pressure and made him look more ordinary than he should have. If Lovett was in defense Barham needed to tag someone else in the midfield and have someone else pick up Lovettt in the forwardline. This doesn't excuse his kicking which is still atrocious but he was under more pressure than need be. He needs to hand ball more.

 

[MyPieGuys]

can see your point of view but just get pissed off when everybody blames the young blokes for loosing when most of the time its the experience blokes who make bigger mistakes and its the call to drop them or they are useless

Barham wasn't the only offender. Against Brisbane Lions & again in yesterdays game, there were others who kicks missed their targets and couldn't mark or control the ball.

 

[Invigoration]

16 clangers in two games

 

[DNine]

He got the arse quick, didn't he just win a norwich rising star nomination last week. Sure he was poor by foot against Essendon, and sure he may get dropped from that effort, but I haven't seen a "Dud" label go on as quickly since Dick after the Geelong game. I agree put them back to the twos, but this giving up on young players, is just a little harsh. Players like Cam Cloke and Scotland showed today that they would walk into our side. Do we want a full team of players who we gave up on that makes you pay? Its just so tricky, look at Scott Stevens fo Adelaide, he took forever to come good, and Stephen Gilham at the Hawks. David Rodan for Power, Leigh Montagna from the Saints, I had him in my dream team two years before he started coming good. Nathan Lovett Murray was a guy we could of used against Essendon, because he was on our list, but now he is doing well for them, and finally Rhyce Shaw, seems to found new life and hits his tagets at the Swans. Maybe he didn't have something to play for at the Pies.

One thing my son noticed about the game, that Leon and Cox must be friends, as they kept kicking to one another. It got me thinking, I never noticed there to be a high number of passes from Cox to Leon, or visa versa, but I remember when Ben Johnson was at the top of his game, I swapped him for Heath Shaw, win for me, but I was amazed how often the two used each other. Clubs sometimes fragment into smaller groups, having some players looking after other good friends within the club, by kicking to them. You can bring a single player in or out of a game, if the coach's direction, is to kick his way at all cost, and therefor, friends try to do that as much as they can, by themselves. They trust in some players more than others. It is almost comical, the way that players have been facing Leigh Brown to receive the kick, only to change their minds, and kick it to the second or third option. Should not be happening, but it is, and I wouldn't be suprised if there is some fragmentation happening down at Lexus. Need a shake up does the Pies.

 

[Optimax]

should be used like a new lica. Hard the ball, hard at the man, tight checking tagger who handpasses or kicks short to a free player

 

[pipeline]

One thing my son noticed about the game, that Leon and Cox must be friends, as they kept kicking to one another. It got me thinking, I never noticed there to be a high number of passes from Cox to Leon, or visa versa, but I remember when Ben Johnson was at the top of his game, I swapped him for Heath Shaw, win for me, but I was amazed how often the two used each other. Clubs sometimes fragment into smaller groups, having some players looking after other good friends within the club, by kicking to them. You can bring a single player in or out of a game, if the coach's direction, is to kick his way at all cost, and therefor, friends try to do that as much as they can, by themselves. They trust in some players more than others. It is almost comical, the way that players have been facing Leigh Brown to receive the kick, only to change their minds, and kick it to the second or third option. Should not be happening, but it is, and I wouldn't be suprised if there is some fragmentation happening down at Lexus. Need a shake up does the Pies.

It's been happening for ages and I'm surprised it hasn't been commented on before. It even happens at training. You've skirted around it a bit understandably but I reckon it's as simple as mates looking after each other. I don't like it either and I don't notice it in other teams.

 

[Jabso]

^ Thomas' disposal is excellent, he just has no left foot.
Bryan's disposal is very good, he just takes half an hour to make a decision.
Maxwell's disposal is very good.
We don't have a player named J. Brown.

Cloke is a player who I don't mind with the ball when kicking inside 50. Yes he can shank it and often gets smothered however he can also pinpoint weighted passes to a moving target 50 metres away.

Maxwell's poor kicking is a myth.

N.Brown seriously needs to have a look when kicking, as does Barham. Barham's poor kicking is compounded by the fact he doesn't make great decisions on the run and has poor composure at this stage.

Thomas has a good left foot (there was an example on Anzac day where he spotted a player inside 50) but doesn't use it and prefers to try tricky right foot kicks, which is just as bad as not having a left foot sometimes.

Talk about players that have improved their disposal I think that O'Bree has, or at least improved his ability to ....well judge his ability.

It's true there aren't many players that improve their kicking. Ben Johnson had a stage where he went from the worst kick in the AFL to a very capable and potentially damaging kick and now has gone back again. Davis was never a poor kick but his kicking has improved from 6/10 to 9/10 (I suppose going from getting the ball 5 times a game to 20 times a game helps).

 

[smiddaz123]

Maxwell is in our top 5 best set shots for goal at the club. Fact.

 

[Jabso]

Maxwell is in our top 5 best set shots for goal at the club. Fact.

Probably. I wouldn't say when he gets it inside 50 he's a dead cert, but he's definitely good odds to kick the goal anywhere inside 50.

 

[Invigoration]

Maxwell is in our top 5 best set shots for goal at the club. Fact.

I think that is more so attributed to our lack of players with elite foot skills as opposed to Maxwell's kicking ability.

By no means am I saying he is a poor kick though, I generally think he is a good disposer of the ball, I think he makes more decisions sometimes that may come across as bad disposal.

 

[smiddaz123]

His field kicking is solid without being good.

His set shots for goal are brilliant imo. I always feel confident when he lines up.