Bartel v Cooney

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Which player will end up being regarded as the better player once their careers are finished?

 

[Gus]

Bartel. Premierships always increase a player's individual reputation when compared to a player who doesn't have one (I can give a couple of examples, but I can see them just derailing the thread). Unless Cooney wins a premiership, Bartel is always going to be regarded as better.

That said, Bartel has been a better player over a longer period of time aswell. Cooney at his best was more damaging than Bartel, but the Geelong man is the more consistent of the two.

 

[Igloo]

I agree with Gus, Bartel. I have a feeling with Cooney there is going to be a lot of "could haves" in regard to his career. He mentioned in an article he is going to be in constant pain with his knee forever, so thats a real shame.

Jimmy has been performing at a very high, consistent level for 4 years. Has a brownlow, a couple of premierships. Great player.

 

[Elite Master]

Bartel easily. Better quality player for a lot longer.

Cooney has had a decent career to date, but I can't help but fell he's underachieved despite winning a brownlow.

 

[Gods_Son23]

Cooney at his best, but obviously Bartel has had the more consistent career.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

I reckon a few people are under-rating Bartel a bit. He is a very damaging player, but doesn't do the flashy stuff as much as Cooney.

If you had to compare the two, I reckon Cooney on has pace over Bartel.

Not that I'm trying to diminsh Cooney as a player, the guy is a an extremely good footballer, but Bartel will go down as an outstanding player.

 

[Igloo]

^Bartel is winning the poll 16-3, and everyone who has commented has said Bartel
I see no underrating there.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I am suprised so many people think Bartel is so clearly ahead of Cooney to be honest. Think Cooney gets undersold on this site a bit.

Bartel has never had a year like GAJs 07-11, or Judds 05, 06, or Hodges 05 & 10, or Swans last two years. He has never been that dominant and I can't see how people think he is so far ahead of Cooney. Cooney is an absolute gun, and in top form has it over Bartel for mine.

The only thing is, is that injuries have wrecked him the last 12 months. He will be back to his best next year though and when he is, he is half a class above Bartel for mine.

 

[Igloo]

I am suprised so many people think Bartel is so clearly ahead of Cooney to be honest. Think Cooney gets undersold on this site a bit.

Bartel has never had a year like GAJs 07-11, or Judds 05, 06, or Hodges 05 & 10, or Swans last two years. He has never been that dominant and I can't see how people think he is so far ahead of Cooney. Cooney is an absolute gun, and in top form has it over Bartel for mine.

The only thing is, is that injuries have wrecked him the last 12 months. He will be back to his best next year though and when he is, he is half a class above Bartel for mine.

Unfortunately, I dont think Cooney will ever be back to his best. His knee injury has made him lose a bit of pace, at his own admission.
At his best, I agree with you, I reckon Cooney is better than Bartel.
I would love him to get back to his best form, and people on here definately underrate him. When firing he is an absolute gun.
I guess we will have to wait and see whether he does get back to it.

 

[Rack Watts]

Cooney at his best, but obviously Bartel has had the more consistent career.

Said it before I could think it.

 

[liam_13]

Bartel, due to his overhead marking, ability to go forward and play a variety of different roles and stands up in big games.

Not saying Cooney is bad at any of those but Bartel is one of the best in the league for his size in each of those factors.

Cooney will still go down as a champ.

 

[Surkin]

Agree with what most in here have said. Cooney's best is better but over the journey Bartel is well in front. Hopefully Cooney's knee allows him to perform at his best over the next 4 or 5 years because it would be a real shame if we never got to see his best.

 

[September_Glory]

What's the news with Cooney's degenerative knee?

I would take Bartel anyway. He stands up in the 4th quarter time and time again.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

^Bartel is winning the poll 16-3, and everyone who has commented has said Bartel
I see no underrating there.

True, but my comment was mainly around most posts saying 'Cooney at his best is better but Bartel is more consistant', that is what I was getting at. My point is, Bartel influences just as many games if not more, than Cooney. Yes he's more consistant, but he can also be a very damaging player himself.

 

[00Stinger]

^Bartel is winning the poll 16-3, and everyone who has commented has said Bartel
I see no underrating there.

Maybe because Bartel is the better player

 

[Slattery_20]

If I had to pick a player to win one game out of the middle for me, I'd go Cooney, appraising over their whole (to date) careers, I'd go Bartel.

Bartel is quality down back, tagging or forward as well as obviously a very very good midfielder. Does very little wrong.

Cooney far more explosive & damaging. Probably needs another two good years to go convincingly past Bartel.

 

[Exactive]

Bartel will almost definitely be regarded as the better player by the time both their careers end.

It's sad that Cooney's knee injury will affect him for the rest of his career/life so it's hard to see him being able to get consistant performances in games. If he didn't have that injury I would definitely give him a chance (his only full preseason was in 08 ) but he does... so probably not.