AFL Autopsy Beaten by Saint Kilda

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That's pretty much what Geelong have done.

They only have 1 top 10 pick on their list that they drafted themselves (Jhye Clarke), and that was a stuff up. The only other first round picks of their own were Sullivan @ 11, and Holmes and De Konig at 20, right at the end of the first round

Geelong have a truly bizarre draft history. They don't have too many first-round hits (they often trade out the pick entirely) but regularly pluck high quality guys later on that compensates for it, whilst having built an excellent culture to develop players in dating back to the mid 00s.

They've also made excellent use of Trade & F/A, often getting players for under the odds.

Dangerfield was a bargain and basically re-opened their flag window for another half a decade. They traded Smith for Pick 17 and a downgrade of their 3rd rounder. Jeremy Cameron trade sounds massive but the reality was it really wasn't that big and mostly paid from Tim Kelly trade compensation from memory.

 

[King Patty]

Geelong have a truly bizarre draft history. They don't have too many first-round hits (they often trade out the pick entirely) but regularly pluck high quality guys later on that compensates for it, whilst having built an excellent culture to develop players in dating back to the mid 00s.

They've also made excellent use of Trade & F/A, often getting players for under the odds.

Dangerfield was a bargain and basically re-opened their flag window for another half a decade. They traded Smith for Pick 17 and a downgrade of their 3rd rounder. Jeremy Cameron trade sounds massive but the reality was it really wasn't that big and mostly paid from Tim Kelly trade compensation from memory.

Take away the players cats traded in what does their side look like

out: Cameron, Dangerfield, Smith, Bruhn, Bowes,

yeh they develop well, but it's hard to bring elite talent in, and Geelong have a strategic advantage in Geelong, with farm lifestyle, cheaper properties and land, deals on the side working for cotton on or with Livestock gifted, farms sold for a song etc.

FB	Zach Guthrie	Jack Henry	Jake Koladjashnij
HB	Lawson Humphries	Connor O'Sullivan	Tom Stewart
C	Ollie Dempsey	Osin Musin	Mark Blicavs
HF	Gryan Miers	Ollie Henry	Brad Close
FF	Shaun Mannagh	Shannon Neale	Tyson Stengle
R	Rhys Stanley	Max Holmes	Cam Guthrie
Interchange	Mitch Knevitt	Jack Martin	Sam De Koning
	Tom Atkins
SUB	Mitch Duncan

They still likely comfortable beat us, plus have a few other draft picks to slot in...

 

[Beerfish]

Try reading the whole sentence.

Which part of the sentence did you want me to read? If you didn't like my interpretation, you could have written it better.

 

[ant555]

That's pretty much what Geelong have done.

They only have 1 top 10 pick on their list that they drafted themselves (Jhye Clarke), and that was a stuff up. The only other first round picks of their own were Sullivan @ 11, and Holmes and De Konig at 20, right at the end of the first round

Clarke has had a few injury and illness issues. Not sure that is predictable

 

[bacon buster]

Clarke has had a few injury and illness issues. Not sure that is predictable

Perhaps. But from what I've seen, he's not very good. It was also a pretty weak draft, outside of the top 3-4

 

[jdstorm]

Ok

So we have 10 top 12 picks on our list (4 top 5) + Hobbs and Kako pick 13 + Shiel pre draft

Geelong have 6 top 12 (0 top 5) + Cameron and Martin who were pre-draft
Brisbane have 7 top 12 (5 top 5)
Collingwood have 6 top 12 (4 top 5)

Interesting stats I guess. I agree with your last part. It essentially boils down to it doesn't matter how many draft picks you have, it's how to use and develop them

To a degree but list redundancy is huge at Essendon.

If you went through those top 13 picks you’d find 7 small mids with largely the same strengths and weakness’ (McGrath, Parish, Sheil, Hobbs, Caldwell) could also throw Tsatsas into that group as he’s a poor kick and not the most physical player.

Essendon haven’t seen much drop off when their top guys go out for this reason but it’s a huge waste of resources as seen

 

[ant555]

Perhaps. But from what I've seen, he's not very good. It was also a pretty weak draft, outside of the top 3-4

Players tend to not look good when they have several interruptions to their preparation. Has also not been asked to play a major role in their midfield given the quality they have had in it.
As for that draft it does look a bit hit and miss but Wardlaw has also been smashed with injury. Humphry and McKenzie have been good. Phillipou is another who has had a string of injuries. Fletcher from Brisbane looks good. Weddle at the Hawks.
It does look very thin after pick 20.

Geelong are a bit of a different comparison anyway. Built their initial success from some good top end picks and F/S picks along with some good trades. Then they have really been the only side to not take a slide down the ladder and play finals most years in the years between the previous era and their most recent win.

In the end it really comes down to both sides of the discussion.
You need a good recruiting team to maximize the best you can on draft picks (early or late).
Then you need a good list manager who can work in with a stable football department and nail the trade / FA recruits.
It has been the same story for all the premiership sides in the last 20 years.

 

[King Patty]

Perhaps. But from what I've seen, he's not very good. It was also a pretty weak draft, outside of the top 3-4

There were good players outside top 3-4

#6 Bailey Smith
#7 McKenzie,
#9 Ginbey
#10 Phillipou
have all shown something.

its only really Tsatas and Clark that haven't

then other outside top 10
#11 Hollands
#12 Jasper Fletcher f/s
#17 Michalanney f/s
#18 Josh Weddle
#25 Lewis Hayes - only 1 game but promising

There wasn't much talent after 25

 

[eth-dog]

There were good players outside top 3-4

#6 Bailey Smith
#7 McKenzie,
#9 Ginbey
#10 Phillipou
have all shown something.

its only really Tsatas and Clark that haven't

then other outside top 10
#11 Hollands
#12 Jasper Fletcher f/s
#17 Michalanney f/s
#18 Josh Weddle
#25 Lewis Hayes - only 1 game but promising

There wasn't much talent after 25

Carlton fans hate Hollands haha

 

[bacon buster]

There were good players outside top 3-4

#6 Bailey Smith
#7 McKenzie,
#9 Ginbey
#10 Phillipou
have all shown something.

its only really Tsatas and Clark that haven't

then other outside top 10
#11 Hollands
#12 Jasper Fletcher f/s
#17 Michalanney f/s
#18 Josh Weddle
#25 Lewis Hayes - only 1 game but promising

There wasn't much talent after 25

Yep. Fletcher is a gun but he was academy. Not a lot of superstar talent I would say outside Cadman, Ashcroft and Sheezel. The point was that whilst Clarke hasn't set the world on first, I don't think they've blown it that badly either.