Best 22 for round 1?

[Plugga]

If Ballantyne unavail....& DeBoer already ruled out...

RUCK: Sandi/Crowls/Ibbo
FOR: Chopper/Pav/Desso
HFOR: McPhee/Johnno/Hill
CEN: Suban/Barlow/Mundy
HBCK: Broughton/McPharlin/Duffman
BCK: Hayden/Taz/Dodd

BENCH: VanBerlo/Morabito/Kep/Hase
EMERG: Schammer/SNOS/Pearce

Schammer just hasn't put a foot right on the ground season after a pretty good year last season....hence he can't make the team in front of JVB, Mora or Barlow.
Mora makes team purely on x factor he brings
JVB has to play - has had very good pre season & is very solid in back 6, giving valuable relief to hayden, duffman & broughton when they need a rest.
Dodd just in front of SNOS
Kep in front of Zac as Zac needs to start doing alot more around the ground - ALOT MORE

so 2 debuts for mine in Round 1

I soooooo hope Ballas can get up for this game though - my fave player by a long long way - the new jeff farmer...but hopefully in a more consistent manner

 

[cp3_jr]

Some pretty tough decisions on the last 5 or 6 spots I would think. This is what Ive come up with although it is not what will happen but rather what I would like to see.

FB: Hayden, McPharlin, Broughton
HB: Suban, Tarrant, Duffman
C: Hill, Barlow, Morabito
HF: Mayne, Johnson, McPhee
FF: Ballas, Pav, Headland
C: Sandi, Hase, Mundy
Int: Van Berlo, Bradley, Hinkley, Ibbo
Emg: Sos, Schammer, Fyfe

Bradley is only there as we have no other ruckman and Clarke has looked way off so far imo. Ibbo and Headland have just made the cut and have to prove themselves as after recent efforts/injury concerns.

 

[FREO81]

Dont see the point in having bradley or clarke in the 22. i would use johnson as buck up ruckman or even dodd. i would have another midfielder in 22.

 

[kp junior]

Dont see the point in having bradley or clarke in the 22. i would use johnson as buck up ruckman or even dodd. i would have another midfielder in 22.

That's out there! Cox will have nightmares thinking about that one

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Dont see the point in having bradley or clarke in the 22. i would use johnson as buck up ruckman or even dodd. i would have another midfielder in 22.

WOW!!!........ i personally wouldnt have dodd as the boot studder, let alone as back up ruckman

 

[DizzyHB]

Hey, if there's one thing Dodd can do it's spoil so he could be put in worse positions.

 

[free at last]

If Ballantyne unavail....& DeBoer already ruled out...

RUCK: Sandi/Crowls/Ibbo
FOR: Chopper/Pav/Desso
HFOR: McPhee/Johnno/Hill
CEN: Suban/Barlow/Mundy
HBCK: Broughton/McPharlin/Duffman
BCK: Hayden/Taz/Dodd

BENCH: VanBerlo/Morabito/Kep/Hase
EMERG: Schammer/SNOS/Pearce

Schammer just hasn't put a foot right on the ground season after a pretty good year last season....hence he can't make the team in front of JVB, Mora or Barlow.
Mora makes team purely on x factor he brings
JVB has to play - has had very good pre season & is very solid in back 6, giving valuable relief to hayden, duffman & broughton when they need a rest.
Dodd just in front of SNOS
Kep in front of Zac as Zac needs to start doing alot more around the ground - ALOT MORE

so 2 debuts for mine in Round 1

I soooooo hope Ballas can get up for this game though - my fave player by a long long way - the new jeff farmer...but hopefully in a more consistent manner

i'm praying every nite he comes up for rnd 1. i hope he becomes the new 'boomer harvey'

 

[dominguez]

Dont see the point in having bradley or clarke in the 22. i would use johnson. i would have another midfielder in 22.

That's our best option but Johnson had ankle issues last year and now wears boots with ankle supports similar to basketball boots.

That suggests he's not up to the bash and crash of ruckwork so either Clarke or Bradley needs to play round one.

I'd go with Zach but I think Harv's will pick Kepple's.

 

[theGav56]

WOW!!!........ i personally wouldnt have dodd as the boot studder, let alone as back up ruckman

But if we are essentially conceding the ruck contest and simply want another body in the contest he becomes an option. But surely if we are going down that route Mundy and MacPhee become considerations too. Not ruckmen at all (Bradley would be a better ruckman than all three of those),but could create some other kinds of opportunities around ruck contests.

On a tangent, I think it would not be bad for our midfield to get some practice in and around losing ruck contests. While Sandilands seems to be mixing it up beautifully, he just cannot do it all game, and forever.

Not a fan of making Johnson with dodgey ankles contest the ruck. He just has more value up front.

 

[dominguez]

McPhee's actually a better option than Dodd, good call Gav.

 

[duncs]

McPhee's actually a better option than Dodd, good call Gav.

But I can't see either of them actually lining up to play any ruck. Have to agree that I think Harvey will have Kepler in the team as a backup ruck which I think is the right option. Rather see Zach get more game time in the WAFL and start dominating there rather than learning his trade in limited bursts at AFL where he doesn;t contribute as much around the ground.
Hopefully later this year or next he steps up his game to the level where this argument becomes redundant and we have two great ruckmen.

 

[dominguez]

But I can't see either of them actually lining up to play any ruck.

Agree, but if we get desperate McPhee's a better option than Dodd.

Have to agree that I think Harvey will have Kepler in the team as a backup ruck which I think is the right option. Rather see Zach get more game time in the WAFL and start dominating there rather than learning his trade in limited bursts at AFL where he doesn;t contribute as much around the ground.
Hopefully later this year or next he steps up his game to the level where this argument becomes redundant and we have two great ruckmen.

What are the chances of Zach dominating at WAFL level this year though? He's still fairly light on so probably needs another summer in the gym before he becomes a consistently good WAFL player capable of running around for 100 minutes.

I'd pick him ahead of Kepler though just because there's little between them and Zach is the future. It's quite possible that Bradley won't be on the list next season so if the 2 players are almost on par go with the young bloke.

 

[sabre_ac]

What are the chances of Zach dominating at WAFL level this year though? He's still fairly light on so probably needs another summer in the gym before he becomes a consistently good WAFL player capable of running around for 100 minutes.

I'd pick him ahead of Kepler though just because there's little between them and Zach is the future. It's quite possible that Bradley won't be on the list next season so if the 2 players are almost on par go with the young bloke.

Agreed,

I've completely lose faith in Kepler, he seems to be your classic "jack of all trades and master of none". As has been mentioned before, great depth player but little more than that at this stage.

I'm also of the opinion that ruckmen left in the WAFL don't develop, you need to throw them into the fold.

White/Warnock are your classic examples and I'd argue that Sandi's constant dropping didn't assist his cause either.

 

[Nodgey]

Kepler just can't jump. I dunno whether he's injured or not, but that is not a good trait to have in a ruckman... Maybe he'd go ok-ish around the ground, but he struggles in the centre square.

I don't recall Keps having an "extended run" as a KPF though. IMHO this is where he is best suited. He'd be a better option in that possie than Murphy, too - more mobile, with better second efforts.

 

[Blues_FC]

Sounds like the concensus is that mini-SOS won't be making it into the best 22... What are people's thoughts?

 

[332docker]

Based on who's been released to play WAFL i reckon the following will be in for Round 1:

B: Hayden, Roger = McPharlin, Luke = Silvagni, Alex
HB: Broughton, Greg = Tarrant, Chris = Duffield, Paul
C: Hasleby, Paul = Hill, Stephen = Mundy, David
HF: McPhee, Adam = Pavlich, Matthew = Morabito, Anthony
F: Mayne, Christopher = Johnson, Michael = Headland, Des
R: Sandilands, Aaron = Crowley, Ryan =Barlow, Michael


Int: Ibbotson, Garrick = Suban, Nick = Pearce, Clancee = Bradley, Kepler




Emerg:, Roberton, Dylan = Byron

 

[Bluto]

Sounds like the concensus is that mini-SOS won't be making it into the best 22... What are people's thoughts?

My thoughts are ask your DT question in the DT thread.

 

[dominguez]

Based on who's been released to play WAFL i reckon the following will be in for Round 1:

B: Hayden, Roger = McPharlin, Luke = Silvagni, Alex
HB: Broughton, Greg = Tarrant, Chris = Duffield, Paul
C: Hasleby, Paul = Hill, Stephen = Mundy, David
HF: McPhee, Adam = Pavlich, Matthew = Morabito, Anthony
F: Mayne, Christopher = Johnson, Michael = Headland, Des
R: Sandilands, Aaron = Crowley, Ryan =Barlow, Michael


Int: Ibbotson, Garrick = Suban, Nick = Pearce, Clancee = Bradley, Kepler




Emerg:, Roberton, Dylan = Schammer, Byron

Swap Schammer for Clancee and Dodd for SNOS and you've got it spot on.

 

[Blues_FC]

My thoughts are ask your DT question in the DT thread.

Sure... I'm interested in terms of DT, but I'm also interested to see how a relative of a Carlton champion is going... From what I saw of him in the NAB cup, he seems to be an excellent tall defender and I'm surprised that he hasn't featured in a lot of the best 22s posted in this thread. It's a damn shame that he didn't end up at Carlton imo.

 

[dominguez]

From what I saw of him in the NAB cup, he seems to be an excellent tall defender and I'm surprised that he hasn't featured in a lot of the best 22s posted in this thread.

His problem is that McPharlin and Tarrant are more than handy as key defenders. Both are pushing 30 though, so even if SNOS doesn't play much this year he'll get plenty of opportunities in 2011 and beyond.

 

[E Shed]

Swap Schammer for Clancee and Dodd for SNOS and you've got it spot on.

God I hope not.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

No deBoer...... D: rioting on the capo strip?

Just on DeBoer, id be interested to here your thoughts as far as comparing him to Schammer?

I personally think theyre not too different from each other. Hard at the ball, reasonable pace, not the best disposal etc, allthough admittedly, their roles of negating/creating are different.

Are they really such totally different players, that the favour they do/don't receive on these boards is justified?

 

[E Shed]

2 quite significant differences for mine.
DeBoer appears to be a bit smarter and a bit quicker at making decisions.
Schammer has been doing it long enough that we know what he can do. He's not going to get any better. DeBoer has not even 1 full season under the belt. I know the tendency on BigFooty is to think that all 1'st year draftees are fully formed AFL players who are magically supposed to be better than players who have been at it for 5 years but what say we give DB a few seasons before we write him off as a plodder with poor skills?

 

[Alfonz]

I agree with E Shed that DeBoer has much better decision making skills.

And DeBoer would be a fair bit faster than Schammer. I don't know why people think Schammer has good pace, he is not quick at all. Maybe he looks like he is running fast because his legs are so short. DeBoer has him easily covered.

I see people say Schammer is a tank, but he is a midget ... he might have big arms for his size, but he is still a midget and is easily knocked around by bigger players. DeBoer is much taller (187cm vs 176cm) which is a huge advantage on DeBoer's side. DeBoer would have the strength advantage right now (largely due to his height advantage), and this will only improve as he spends more time in the gym.

So as far as their size/athletic ability, DeBoer offers much more because he is a better runner and is better in tackling/marking/contested situations. Add this to better decision making skills, both having poor disposal, DeBoer being younger ... and it is DeBoer all the way. Not that I think DeBoer is going to be all that great, just in comparison with Schammer there is no contest.

 

[E Shed]

both having poor disposal, DeBoer being younger ... and it is DeBoer all the way. Not that I think DeBoer is going to be all that great, just in comparison with Schammer there is no contest.

Just to nitpick a little. DeBoer has a poor kicking action. By hand he generally disposes of the ball quickly and accurately. He has already learned how to kick low & accurate over 30M or so. My point being it's not quite aaccurate to say he has poor disposal.
Schammer continues to make poor decisions and execute badly after all his years in the system.
Love Byron's heart, he just aint very smart.