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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
To take this a little further, if I was the recipient of the trade that Cassius mentions above...that is, Maroney etc for 5-7th rounders I could play it out like this....
- as per league rule I would keep the three players traded from Cassius.
- since I've already traded the picks I would then give up picks in rounds 8-10 as assigned keepers.
- I then traded messrs Forte, Williams, Romo, Cassell, Moss for a mess of 1st through 3rd round picks.
- I now have all my own high round picks plus 3 or 4 additional high picks. As most players forfeit at least one 1st or 2nd round pick for their own keepers I essentially could have 7 or 8 of the first 20 actual selections in the draft which I would use to take the best player available at each position.
There are really only two ways to stop this, being 1) players particularly taking care not to allow outher players to get too strong through the draft and 2) commissioner intervention.
Just my thoughts.
To take this a little further, if I was the recipient of the trade that Cassius mentions above...that is, Maroney etc for 5-7th rounders I could play it out like this....
- as per league rule I would keep the three players traded from Cassius.
- since I've already traded the picks I would then give up picks in rounds 8-10 as assigned keepers.
- I then traded messrs Forte, Williams, Romo, Cassell, Moss for a mess of 1st through 3rd round picks.
- I now have all my own high round picks plus 3 or 4 additional high picks. As most players forfeit at least one 1st or 2nd round pick for their own keepers I essentially could have 7 or 8 of the first 20 actual selections in the draft which I would use to take the best player available at each position.
There are really only two ways to stop this, being 1) players particularly taking care not to allow outher players to get too strong through the draft and 2) commissioner intervention.
Just my thoughts.
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
Well, firstly, you wouldnt want to trade for those three players anyway as keepers. Secondly, youd have to find someone who's willing to trade for Cassel, Moss, etc. Thirdly, if you did find suitors, trading them away basically means you just gave away good talent to other teams, rather than keeping them yourself. One would presume you believe in those players as fantasy studs so youd want to keep them not see them go to other people. And lastly, Im not sure there is even an advantage for you in that scenario. You end up with 1-4 picks, have used 5-7 picks on Addai etc as keepers, but is your team stronger after it all? LM could let you do all that because you only mucked up your team.
But ultimately, you're right, which is the part Ive been vocal about. That LM has the power vested in him to put a fine-tooth comb thru all trade proposals and ensure people play to the spirit of the game. The reason this rule was brought in to help facilitate fairer trades and keeper forfeiting rules. LM could therefore....
1. Reject trades outright.
2. Tell managers to re-do the trade as 1 pick for 1 keeper, rather than 3 picks for 1 keeper.
3. Allow trades thru, but right before the keeper deadline/draft, go over everyone's roster and penalize as he sees fit. Eg, I have Eddie Royal costing a 10th, but i trade away my 10,11,12,13 to get an extra 9th rounder, and so Royal ends up costing me a 14 to keep. LM can go back and make Royal cost my 9th, so I just blew 4 picks for no advantage. Or LM could allow Royal to be kept at 14 because I just threw away 4 picks to get 1 back.
Well, firstly, you wouldnt want to trade for those three players anyway as keepers. Secondly, youd have to find someone who's willing to trade for Cassel, Moss, etc. Thirdly, if you did find suitors, trading them away basically means you just gave away good talent to other teams, rather than keeping them yourself. One would presume you believe in those players as fantasy studs so youd want to keep them not see them go to other people. And lastly, Im not sure there is even an advantage for you in that scenario. You end up with 1-4 picks, have used 5-7 picks on Addai etc as keepers, but is your team stronger after it all? LM could let you do all that because you only mucked up your team.
But ultimately, you're right, which is the part Ive been vocal about. That LM has the power vested in him to put a fine-tooth comb thru all trade proposals and ensure people play to the spirit of the game. The reason this rule was brought in to help facilitate fairer trades and keeper forfeiting rules. LM could therefore....
1. Reject trades outright.
2. Tell managers to re-do the trade as 1 pick for 1 keeper, rather than 3 picks for 1 keeper.
3. Allow trades thru, but right before the keeper deadline/draft, go over everyone's roster and penalize as he sees fit. Eg, I have Eddie Royal costing a 10th, but i trade away my 10,11,12,13 to get an extra 9th rounder, and so Royal ends up costing me a 14 to keep. LM can go back and make Royal cost my 9th, so I just blew 4 picks for no advantage. Or LM could allow Royal to be kept at 14 because I just threw away 4 picks to get 1 back.
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
So, i think it's important for LM (dspeed) to actually post in here how he will play this out as LM. How strict or lax he is going to be. Give some examples of the kinds of trades he will reject, the kinds he will accept, and if he would penalize people in those Brasher and Eddie Royal examples above.
LM needs to establish some ground rules, because the new rule is understood, but people are not sure and confused how FAR they can go.
So, i think it's important for LM (dspeed) to actually post in here how he will play this out as LM. How strict or lax he is going to be. Give some examples of the kinds of trades he will reject, the kinds he will accept, and if he would penalize people in those Brasher and Eddie Royal examples above.
LM needs to establish some ground rules, because the new rule is understood, but people are not sure and confused how FAR they can go.
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
Lock in Antonio Bryant as my 3rd keeper GG.
Obviously means any other players are available. Addai and Eli are probably the only players I had that are better than average and worth a keeper at the right price.
Lock in Antonio Bryant as my 3rd keeper GG.
Obviously means any other players are available. Addai and Eli are probably the only players I had that are better than average and worth a keeper at the right price.
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
Ok will do.
But remember, we all have like months before keeper deadline, so we can still change our minds. Im probably likely to.
Ok will do.
But remember, we all have like months before keeper deadline, so we can still change our minds. Im probably likely to.
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
ok im just gonna put up a trade block on here with the picks id be looking for in order for you yo get my players.
Quarterbacks:
Tom Brady- High 1st Round
Jason Campbell- Mid Round
Brady Quinn- Late pick
JaMarcus Russell- Late pick
Running Backs:
Fred Taylor- Mid Round
Darren Sproles- ????? Depends where LT ends up
Wide Receivers:
Steve Smith (Carolina)- 2nd Round
Santana Moss- 4th/5th Round
Tight Ends-
Antonio Gates- 3rd/4th Round
John Carlson- Mid Round-probably gonna be one of my keepers
ok im just gonna put up a trade block on here with the picks id be looking for in order for you yo get my players.
Quarterbacks:
Tom Brady- High 1st Round
Jason Campbell- Mid Round
Brady Quinn- Late pick
JaMarcus Russell- Late pick
Running Backs:
Fred Taylor- Mid Round
Darren Sproles- ????? Depends where LT ends up
Wide Receivers:
Steve Smith (Carolina)- 2nd Round
Santana Moss- 4th/5th Round
Tight Ends-
Antonio Gates- 3rd/4th Round
John Carlson- Mid Round-probably gonna be one of my keepers
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
Don't see the point of listing names like...
McAllister, Chargers DST, Kaeding, Morris, Gaffney, Bell.
Trades at this point are purely for those interested in keepers. Be realistic and cut that list down to those who are actually keeper worthy.
Don't see the point of listing names like...
McAllister, Chargers DST, Kaeding, Morris, Gaffney, Bell.
Trades at this point are purely for those interested in keepers. Be realistic and cut that list down to those who are actually keeper worthy.
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
For the record, here's my roster and trade block (T) and keepers (K)....
Roster
QB
Kevin Kolb - (not for trade)
Chad Henne - T (mid to late rounder)
Brett Ratliff - (not for trade)
RB
Darren McFadden - (not for trade)
Kevin Smith - K
Pierre Thomas - (not for trade)
Tashard Choice - T (mid to late rounder)
WR
Dwayne Bowe - K
Eddie Royal - K
Johnnie Lee Higgins - T (mid-rounder)
Josh Morgan - T (mid-rounder)
Steve Johnson - (not for trade)
TE
Zach Miller - (not for trade)
Brent Celek - (not for trade)
Dustin Keller - (not for trade)
For the record, here's my roster and trade block (T) and keepers (K)....
Roster
QB
Kevin Kolb - (not for trade)
Chad Henne - T (mid to late rounder)
Brett Ratliff - (not for trade)
RB
Darren McFadden - (not for trade)
Kevin Smith - K
Pierre Thomas - (not for trade)
Tashard Choice - T (mid to late rounder)
WR
Dwayne Bowe - K
Eddie Royal - K
Johnnie Lee Higgins - T (mid-rounder)
Josh Morgan - T (mid-rounder)
Steve Johnson - (not for trade)
TE
Zach Miller - (not for trade)
Brent Celek - (not for trade)
Dustin Keller - (not for trade)
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
Is there any way we can get to the league page??? I can't get to it?? Or anyone got final rosters???
Is there any way we can get to the league page??? I can't get to it?? Or anyone got final rosters???
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
ESPN are updating themselves with the new 2009 version. So no one will be able to access anything until they finish and re-open the new fantasy football season---usually around may/june that happens.
ESPN are updating themselves with the new 2009 version. So no one will be able to access anything until they finish and re-open the new fantasy football season---usually around may/june that happens.
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
any1 intrested in John Carlson late round pick last year (2nd to last i think) that has great potential to be one of the best TE in the NFL this year.
any1 intrested in John Carlson late round pick last year (2nd to last i think) that has great potential to be one of the best TE in the NFL this year.
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Re: BFFFL #1 - Part 3
Trade between Mizza and Myself
Zarko gives LDT and a 5th round draft pick
Mizza gives his first and second round draft picks
Trade between Mizza and Myself
Zarko gives LDT and a 5th round draft pick
Mizza gives his first and second round draft picks
