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Why do you do it to yourself every window? These sort of players will not come. We all know the wage ceiling is way too low.
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You are happy watching the s**t we serve up week after week at the moment? Some of us want the club to succeed more than others I suppose, and when the club makes such a ton of money they want to see that cash spent on talent the team desperately needs. But that’s tempered by the fact we know it is very unlikely to happen. Important not to let it all temper your mood to any large degree, but I’m not about to sit here and say everything is fine eitherOdd remark. I’m the calmest here.
We could sign no one by the end of January and win, lose or draw I’ll happily watch us play until the end of the season.
More words in the mouth. Toxic thread atm.You are happy watching the s**t we serve up week after week at the moment? Some of us want the club to succeed more than others I suppose, and when the club makes such a ton of money they want to see that cash spent on talent the team desperately needs. But that’s tempered by the fact we know it is very unlikely to happen. Important not to let it all temper your mood to any large degree, but I’m not about to sit here and say everything is fine either
That would be ideal wouldn't it.Jovic (55m) + Can (30-35m) + umtiti (40-50m) + aarons (kwp + cash) is about my dream window with those linked
Perhaps soumare too with a loan back
Hence unlikelyThat would be ideal wouldn't it.
Unfortunately for us we are signed up and contracted to this club until we depart this earth or as sometimes happens, lose interest. I doubt anyone posting on here is near the stage of either option. You don’t spend time posting on a forum about your team if you are close to losing interest.More words in the mouth. Toxic thread atm.
You lot just cannot get past that I can admit errors are made through out the club including the board yet not scream for the owners to sell.
More irrelevant mumbo jumbo about wanting success and profits. I want us to sign another couple of players, one being a decent CF.
But if we don’t I’m not exactly going to stop watching and just melt. Football to me is sport that’s meant to be enjoyed.
It’s a cathartic release. Getting angry and upset I learned was not good for my health or enjoyment. Would love nothing more than for Jose to be standing under Wembley’s arch on Cup final day.
You just don’t get that I’m relaxed watching us. It’s why I was calm and relaxed watching us on the weekend and why I’ll switch the TV on regardless for the rest of the year. It’s not over confidence, or arrogance. It’s just who I am.
I don’t berate you for ranting about the club, that’s your catharsis.
Think I will look into our financial records. If I can find that retained profits are relatively low as that reddit user claimed then the arguments about spending are off the mark, logically if the board aren’t spending heaps of money as ENIC out fans claim then it’s either retained earning or withdrawn capital back to the owners. Think I’ll investigate and see what I can find. 2018 will likely be a massive outlier.
You’re sounding like we’ve always been good and this is genuinely mediocre. No problem with fans wanting us to be the best we can be btw.Unfortunately for us we are signed up and contracted to this club until we depart this earth or as sometimes happens, lose interest. I doubt anyone posting on here is near the stage of either option. You don’t spend time posting on a forum about your team if you are close to losing interest.
There’s no doubt a club that suffers from a lack of ambition with a team that does not excite or challenge for honours will experience a decrease in support as supporters lose interest. Lots of empty seats at the United/Wolves cup replay recently is testament to that. A couple more years of the mediocre s**t we’ve experienced this season and some supporters will start to drift away, and certainly we won’t be attracting many new fans.
What wank.Supporters rant and rave, that’s what they by and large do when things go awry. They also have a philosophical outlook about it, ours tends to be “oh well, Spursy” which is another thing you regularly reject. You spend a lot of time on here posting so I suspect you care a lot more than you are letting on. You don’t win brownie points for being the calmest in the room when watching your team either. fu** the prawn sandwich brigade, passion and desire trumps that. When all is said and done though you go back to your life and carry on that much is true. Football is a distraction at the end of the day, one that should be an enjoyable one but clearly sometimes is not. Being passionate is part and parcel of supporting a team for most though
I agree with a lot of that post, but it’s not really the issue here. You’re calm about things, good for you, but others are frustrated, good for them also.You’re sounding like we’ve always been good and this is genuinely mediocre. No problem with fans wanting us to be the best we can be btw.
However, we last were a force in the league in the 60s. Our success and prominence in the 70s-90s was based around domestic and European cup success. We also had some of the best English talent to be proud of.
Football has changed in many ways since then. Firstly the best of the best English talent gets hoovered up by the powerful academies of Utd, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton and Sheffield. Then there’s players that fall through to other clubs who go for large fees with big clubs clamouring over their signature. Ferdinand, Rooney, Walcott, Ox, Wilshere, Bale, Shaw, Sessegnon, Maddison, Eze etc.
So getting the best English talent is much harder now. Add in that the wealth of the premier league has made clubs so wealthy and it becomes so much harder to win domestic cups.
Most domestic cups are now won by those 5 that are bigger than us, as top flight English football has been monetised on a scale we haven’t seen in football.
Our club has been busy since 2003 meticulously working to bridge that gap from us to those 5. The money invested in long term infrastructure, including our cash cow stadium is doing exactly that. To win those trophies we need to be like them and not be like West Ham or Everton who are the plucky underdogs with limited funds.
Why fans are getting upset is that we’ve embarked on this strategy to change who we are as a club, moving away from our roots as a successful cup team, and are trying to become one of the big boys. But you said it yourself (league cup thread last season) that to win a poxy league cup we needed to go through Watford, West Ham, Arsenal, Chelsea and then City. Ridiculously hard.
So in the changed landscape of football we cannot abandon our quest to join the elite and try and be a cup team again, the 5 bigger clubs than us swoop them all up so we have to keep working hard to get to where they are.
Mediocre is relative. 10 years back we just qualified for the CL for the first time so a 5th-8th finish that we may well get this season would be seen as normal. Now its mediocrity that’s apparently seeing fans stay away. Ok then.
profit/loss or retained earnings.
2010: (£6.6m)
2011: £0.69m
2012: (£4.28m)
2013: £1.52m
2014: £65.2m
2015: £9.36m
2016: £33.0m
2017: £36.1m
2018: £112m
So yeah we’ve raked in some big profits the last couple of years. Suspect they’ll be put towards stadium repayments so very hard to criticise given the long term benefits and forward planning they’re trying to safeguard.
What wank.
passion doesn’t trump anything. That implies it’s a better and more pure form of fandom and by extension superior.
Not true at all. We’re all just different.
I’ve tried remaining tolerant and insult free for yours and JD’s views. I’m not getting the same reciprocated.
More than one way to show passion. By making hundreds of comments about the club over the years, thousands even, we are all clearly passionate.I agree with a lot of that post, but it’s not really the issue here. You’re calm about things, good for you, but others are frustrated, good for them also.
Whether we are getting the full truth from you about how you feel is debatable though. There’s no way you’d spend this amount time posting if it wasn’t something you cared about with a degree of passion. I’d say a lot personally. You seem to think not being hurt by bad results is a strength, and that’s why you hide it.
We’re all operating off imperfect information though no?The main point of frustration for fans is the club going over ten years without winning something, adding to that nearly thirty years since winning the FA cup we’ve only bagged two poxy league cups. This is why fans are finally losing their patience. We’ve just come off four or five very good seasons but without anything tangible to show for it in terms of silverware. Add that to the years of underachievement and mediocrity and then you get why patience is starting to wane. The fact that the board were hesitant in backing both Redknapp and Poch when very competitive teams were already assembled leads to a lack of faith in Levy’s project here. We are now going to have to rebuild again, and despite the vast profits the club has made in the last few years we know we will still have a shoestring transfer budget. Don’t ask or deride fans for showing their frustration or asking questions about the club. We are long suffering, and you may be a pacifist but others are not
Jose Mourinho and Danny Rose in bust-up with 'big tension in the air'
EXCLUSIVE BY SIMON JONES: Danny Rose was involved in a heated exchange with Jose Mourinho after being left out of Saturday's game against Watford.www.dailymail.co.uk
Kane is usually pretty good in a season up until christmas/NY.
Not sure Cavani sits on the bench playing a Llorente-style backup that long. we don't pay enough for players of his ilk to do that.
----Lloris----
Aurier Alder Vert Sess
----DM----
Dele Ndombele
----Son-----
Kane Cavani
could work.
Son is capable of pushing up into the front 2 if required. With GLC or Dele behind them and the other in midfield.
That diamond 442 requires a lot of run and press from the middle 3 though
And quality attacking support from the full backs