Brad Fisher to Dees

[Deelighted]

Hmm, I've been quite critical of Newton in the past but it's hard to argue with the Miller comparison stats (Miller has played a bit down back, but not THAT much). I think Newtons workrate has increased this year and he is willing to chase and tackle, but he still has the same problems with his kicking, contested marking and I feel his general awareness and nouse are pretty questionable.

I am still not a fan of him but if one of him and Miller is getting shafted I would rather us hold onto Juice and give him a genuine chance to prove himself. He's significantly younger than Miller and hell we may as well give him a decent shot to prove himself. I would be more than happy to be proven wrong about my harsh judgements of Juice.

Miller tries really hard but just doesn't quite cut it, and really... Miller isn't going to be still playing when we are contesting finals, So what's the point in keeping him? Players like Bruce and Jmac are worth keeping for the example they set to younger players but I don't think Miller is exactly the kind of player we want our younger forwards learning from.

 

[DeesFan]

I think we are moving off topic. I always had high hopes for Newton but it maybe his own self belief that may be holding him back. This is where a change might be the kick start he needs, I would love him to fire for the Dees but then I would want him to succeed - if thats not a Melb then so be it. Newton dominates VFL (yes there will be some people who question this) but when he steps up seems to go into his shell.

The same might be Fisher .. I think he may come good with a change anda good pre season - and better health management (also because he knows its his last chance).

Its a great discussion but I think we all agree we want Newton to step up and do what we all believe he is capable of doing.

 

[Punchy Demons]

I would much rather have Fisher in our forward line than that dud - Newton. Been on our list for 5 seasons now & has barely improved. He is a tall forward who when does get it (very rarely) can't kick straight.

It would be different if he was an accurate kick, but he is a terrible kick which is a massive problem for a forward who doesn't get much of it. He is what the experts would term a "list clogger"

Miller is not brilliant by any stretch of the imagination, but he is at least competitive, shows leadership and is a strong body down forward, which are three more positives than Newton has.

If we can, I would take a chance on Fisher with a late pick, but please MFC try and trade Newton (don't think they'll be any takers) or just pay him out so we can try and find some body who may amount to being an AFL footballer of legitimate standard because Newton certainly isn't & never will be!!!!!!

 

[Dez!]

I would much rather have Fisher in our forward line than that dud - Newton. Been on our list for 5 seasons now & has barely improved. He is a tall forward who when does get it (very rarely) can't kick straight.

It would be different if he was an accurate kick, but he is a terrible kick which is a massive problem for a forward who doesn't get much of it. He is what the experts would term a "list clogger"

Miller is not brilliant by any stretch of the imagination, but he is at least competitive, shows leadership and is a strong body down forward, which are three more positives than Newton has.

If we can, I would take a chance on Fisher with a late pick, but please MFC try and trade Newton (don't think they'll be any takers) or just pay him out so we can try and find some body who may amount to being an AFL footballer of legitimate standard because Newton certainly isn't & never will be!!!!!!

Yeah that's a poor assessment.

Drafted in the Daniher era while we had Neitz and Robertson in the forward line, definitely wasn't going to dethrone either of those of their spots.

Daniher didn't seem to like blooding young players which made it that much more difficult.

Finally got an extended run in 07 and was showing something but was branded as lazy, which was true but has improved quite a lot since then.

Look at the stats above comparing Miller and Newton, who gives a shit if Miller is a big body when he adds nothing? He's had a hell of a lot longer than Newton to show something.

His kicking isn't perfect obviously but I still believe Millers is worse, I'd also rather Newton as he at least backs himself to have a shot whereas Miller puts pressure on his teammates by never backing himself in and having a shot.

What's the point of a forward who refuses to take set shots?

I'd label Newton's kicking erratic rather than poor, he can kick very well at times but shocking at others. That problem could quite easily be fixed over the summer if the club gets someone to work with him (eg David Neitz) and he could become a more than handy forward.

Give the bloke a chance.

 

[Deelighted]

I'm sure Newton has had people working with him on his kicking since it has been a weakness since he was drafted so I don't think it's a simple to improve as you're making it out to be.

That said I agree with you that Newton should be kept for another year over Miller. Newton (other than a decent run in 07) hasn't really shown much at AFL level but hell Miller has had 100+ games and to me isn't up to it.

ATM Newton is definately not in our best side but we aren't going to be contesting for finals next year and no doubt we will have injuries (hopefully not as bad as this year) so I say we should let Newton play out his contract. Give him an extender run of 8-12 games (plus more if he's performing well) and if he can't put together some solid competitive football then delist him.

I just wish we'd given him a long run this so we could actually get an idea of him as a regular AFL player.

 

[juddsentant517]

pick 1 and 2 only
nah i would love it if we traded fisher to a club like melbourne, he has been through the carlton dark ages and would be very happy if he went to a club where he would have more of an opportunity (no offence intended)

he has a very good pair of hands annd does give an option, would make a good 3rd or 4th forward or at the very least be a foil for watts and jurrah for the next couple of years. The problems with fisher is that he is painfully slow and goes to ground frustratingly often, he had i think what was a hand, finger or arm surgery a couple of years ago (can't remember which) and hasnt recovered fully since, but at his best (which he is still capable of retaining) he is a very handy player. I cant see him getting much of an opportunity at carlton though

Hopegully we do the right thing and hand him to a team where he would thrive at, would take a 3rd rounder for him, would like to think that would be a fair deal, maybe i'm wrong, just a personal opinion.

Anyways best of luck for next year

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Cheers JS517... I'm pleasantly surprised, and impressed by your contribution here

 

[Rojik of the Arctic]

The problems with fisher is that he is painfully slow and goes to ground frustratingly often, he had i think what was a hand, finger or arm surgery a couple of years ago (can't remember which) and hasnt recovered fully since, but at his best (which he is still capable of retaining) he is a very handy player. I cant see him getting much of an opportunity at carlton though

In any other year I would say why not? But this year we have spuds like Newton under contract and we would have to delist a 21-22 year old to take him. Next year maybe but this year not us. Maybe Richmond will have space after they have finished their clean out.

 

[Punchy Demons]

Yeah that's a poor assessment.

Drafted in the Daniher era while we had Neitz and Robertson in the forward line, definitely wasn't going to dethrone either of those of their spots.

Daniher didn't seem to like blooding young players which made it that much more difficult.

Finally got an extended run in 07 and was showing something but was branded as lazy, which was true but has improved quite a lot since then.

Look at the stats above comparing Miller and Newton, who gives a shit if Miller is a big body when he adds nothing? He's had a hell of a lot longer than Newton to show something.

His kicking isn't perfect obviously but I still believe Millers is worse, I'd also rather Newton as he at least backs himself to have a shot whereas Miller puts pressure on his teammates by never backing himself in and having a shot.

What's the point of a forward who refuses to take set shots?

I'd label Newton's kicking erratic rather than poor, he can kick very well at times but shocking at others. That problem could quite easily be fixed over the summer if the club gets someone to work with him (eg David Neitz) and he could become a more than handy forward.

Give the bloke a chance.

That's my opinion & I'm entitled to it. It doesn't matter what you say about Newton in an attempt to convince others. I've made up my mind on him & in my opinion- he can't play.

As for give the bloke a chance, I think he has played far to many games as it is and should never get to wear the MFC footy jumper again. Get the list clogger out of here!!!!!!

 

[SugarHealey]

Yeah i know a carlton board member.
apparently the weak draft is the main road block in the deal as the late pick carlton will get in return is not very appealling to the the blues match committee and believe fischer may be more valuable to them. but i was lead to believe he'd be happy with a move there. (but every year i got all the trade goss, and ill be honest, it rarely eventuates, but yeah thats what i know)

Swap you Daniel Bell for Fischer, strait swap.