Brisbane needs help: 2016

[harmesy 37]

Yeah, the AFL shouldn't have helped Carlton in 2006 either because no one else got the same assistance at the same time. I mean it's not like Carlton did anything in the previous years before that to bring it upon themselves.



https://webcache.googleusercontent....s/releases/show/903+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

Ian Collins said they should have just handed back the keys as there was no hope of the Blues surviving...he said it around about 2002 I believe...before it got even worse.
On top of that - Carlton finishes of last in 2002, 15th in 2003, 11th in 2004, 16th in 2005, and 16th (last) in 2006 did wonders for Carlton's ability to obtain money to survive.

Brisbane is experiencing what Carlton is experiencing...but it won't get as bad for Brisbane. The difference is that the AFL will want to help Brisbane and one can easily contrast that to the reluctance to help the Blues. They wanted to do as little as possible. They are the facts.

 

[Cleric]

Your statement about the "toxic culture" at Brisbane being the reason the GH5 left is BS.



In Yeo's case, it might have.



In the past five years Adelaide have lost Gunston (for draft picks No. 24, 46 and 64), Maric (Pick 37), Tippett (for nothing), Vince (Pick 23) and Dangerfield (Picks 9 and 28). They gained Eddie Betts (Carlton), Tom Lynch (St Kilda) and Josh Jenkins (Essendon),



When your home grown talent is constantly between 10-20% of the list, you can see why the Academies exist and why the go-home factor exists.



The Lions haven't received handouts, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. If you're talking financial funding the Saints received $6 million from the AFL and AFL Victoria last year to return to Moorabbin. St Kilda also received an additional $3.8 million from the AFL in 2014 after recording a $3.91 million loss from $30 million in 2014. The Western Bulldogs received $2.8 million in AFL future fund distributions the same year. Melbourne got an extra $2.27 million from the same source, helping it to a $284,000 operating profit.



Do you understand that the current board has only been in charge since the start of 2014? Already player retention has improved (stand by for a couple more re-signing announcements) and also the annual financial losses have been reduced.

Adelaide also lost Davis, captain of GWS. They also lost two first round and two second round draft picks in two drafts.
To even compare what Adelaide has put up with compared to you is amazing.
Brisbane has greater revenue than the Crows do as well, have an academy to get the best talent from their home state to boot.
Why have the Crows been able to put that behind them to still be competitive?

 

[harmesy 37]

Irony ? Walker, Murphy and Kreuzer ?

There are a lot of ignorant people that believe that one priority draft per year is going to really make a difference to a team with 18 players on the ground. (22 in a team)
16 of them are rubbish players, but jeepers we have a priority pick!! where to celebrate?

The way to build a team is to get 6-8 good players in one draft - ala GWS - and build the team together around that nucleus. Crying crocodile tears over one good player per year means nothing.

The draft as it is set up just breeds further inequities.

Does anyone truly believe that the Bulldogs got a good deal in the draft by having to let go their fullback Brian Lake to Hawthorn? Think about the way the draft is set up and all the associated trades.

 

[ShooterMcGavin8]

There are a lot of ignorant people that believe that one priority draft per year is going to really make a difference to a team with 18 players on the ground. (22 in a team)
16 of them are rubbish players, but jeepers we have a priority pick!! where to celebrate?

The way to build a team is to get 6-8 good players in one draft - ala GWS - and build the team together around that nucleus. Crying crocodile tears over one good player per year means nothing.

I'm sure Brisbane would love to have 6-8 first round picks this year like GWS has had.

 

[Doggies 06]

How do you know he has no plan...throwaway comment that is baseless without fact

With respect

How do you know that he does have a plan?

Throwaway comment that is baseless without fact.

 

[harmesy 37]

I'm sure Brisbane would love to have 6-8 first round picks this year like GWS has had.

I'm sure they would...but look back to the merger between Fitzroy and Brisbane and you see a similar type of scenario.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...y/news-story/47bced22ba7e18a34baeb3def47d23d8

 

[dave123]

With respect

How do you know that he does have a plan?

Throwaway comment that is baseless without fact.

When you're a coach of an Afl club about every six weeks you need to front the board with a progress report and a plan for the next six weeks ...is essentially like project management

He would have weekly meetings with the footy department and the head of that department

He has to convey the team plan

I'm sure within those processes in place he would be caught out with no plan and would be held accountable

I don't think you have any idea ..when I worked for the AIS (Australian institute of sport) now known as the Australian sports commission I got to visit the Geelong football club as part of my studies ..I got to see how a club runs and what happens during a normal week and month

I also completed my level 2 in coaching. Which helped me understand what planning is about.

Frankly most here on big footy are rather clueless as to what happens.


Sure his pan might not be working but there is so many variables to that. Frankly he hasn't had the list to do it but it has t occurred because a lack of planning

 

[Runnin Blue]

Adelaide also lost Davis, captain of GWS. They also lost two first round and two second round draft picks in two drafts.
To even compare what Adelaide has put up with compared to you is amazing.
Brisbane has greater revenue than the Crows do as well, have an academy to get the best talent from their home state to boot.
Why have the Crows been able to put that behind them to still be competitive?

And Nathan Bock.

 

[JeffDunne]

If you have a plan but it's not working then you may as well have no plan at all.

"Having a plan" isn't an excuse for ineptitude.

 

[LeverPuller]

Melbourne style solution incoming

 

[chazwazza]

Leppa is a probably a good bloke - but lets face it, he is clearly out of his depth

He has no plan

Criticising city hall isn't going to get Brisbane anywhere

May as well go out swinging and throw a few truth grenades at a few people that deserve them.
Brisbane warned Demitriou of this exact thing happening in the QLD market but the fat c*** only saw the bonuses he was due to receive.

 

[Roylion]

Adelaide also lost Davis, captain of GWS.

That they did. They received a first round compensatory first-round pick. They traded it to GWS for the rights to the then 17-year-old Brad Crouch.

They also lost two first round and two second round draft picks in two drafts.

Why was that again?

To even compare what Adelaide has put up with compared to you is amazing.

I didn't compare it. Adelaide have done well. They've certainly lost (at this stage) better, more established players than Brisbane, but have also been better compensated as a result. The picks gained from the GH5 (which included three first round DPs at #5, #8 and #12), didn't exceed Pick 22.

Brisbane has greater revenue than the Crows do as well,

$44.4 million revenue to the Crows in 2015. $51 million revenue for the Lions in 2015.

65,000 Adelaide members in 2015 - with one of two clubs in a football state. Brisbane is one of two clubs in a non-football state with 25,408 members in 2015.

have an academy to get the best talent from their home state to boot.

Which of course doesn't provide as many ready made AFL recruits as Adelaide's home state. And we're also sharing that with the Gold Coast Suns Academy.

Why have the Crows been able to put that behind them to still be competitive?

More money. Better development as a result. Better facilities. Didn't the Crows get a $16 million upgrade to their training facilities at AAMI stadium in 2009? Don't they have unlimited training access to AAMI Stadium from the pre-season onwards?

And of course the 2015 the new stadium deal at the Adelaide Oval means that the Crows and the Power will be able to share an estimated additional $3.1m in 2015, rising to $4.1m in both 2016 and 2017.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Leppitsch THE TRIPLE PREMIERSHIP PLAYER with the Lions says,
"Particularly guys like 'Rocky' (Tom Rockliff) and Dayne Zorko, they've been at this club a long time and we haven't given them a lot of success. They've got to hold up a lot. They've got to play with a lot of young kids and it must be draining."



So does Leppitsch feel for Andrew Walker - who played most of his career in losing teams? or is that different because Carlton isn't an "expansion club"...one rule for "expansion clubs" and another for established clubs I am guessing.

They just won 3 premierships with the partial assistance of the AFL not so long ago and yet because they start losing a few games they want more assistance. It is crazy. If the AFL give assistance to Brisbane, they should also give the exact amount of assistance to Carlton, Richmond, Melbourne, and all the other clubs that have spent most of the last 10-15 years out of the finals....oh that is right. I forgot. One type of assistance is more important.

Carlton have won just six games this year so far...Whoopee! that is something to celebrate according to the media. So much development they tell us.



Brisbane nearly beat Carlton in the first round, so with their full list they should surely be competitive against other no-hopers teams such as Carlton. Injuries are a factor. Lepptisch said it himself.

What a bizarre post...why would Leppitsch feel for a player he has never coached? Since when was 13 years ago 'just winning' flags? Why would Richmond, Carlton and Melbourne need assistance on the same level as the Lions? Are they having the same sort of issues as us? First I am hearing of it. Curious...very curious.

 

[Cleric]

That they did. They received a first round compensatory first-round pick. They traded it to GWS for the rights to the then 17-year-old Brad Crouch.



Why was that again?



I didn't compare it. Adelaide have done well. They've certainly lost (at this stage) better, more established players than Brisbane, but have also been better compensated as a result. The picks gained from the GH5 (which included three first round DPs at #5, #8 and #12), didn't exceed Pick 22.



$44.4 million revenue to the Crows in 2015. $51 million revenue for the Lions in 2015.

65,000 Adelaide members in 2015 - with one of two clubs in a football state. Brisbane is one of two clubs in a non-football state with 25,408 members in 2015.



Which of course doesn't provide as many ready made AFL recruits as Adelaide's home state. And we're also sharing that with the Gold Coast Suns Academy.



More money. Better development as a result. Better facilities. Didn't the Crows get a $16 million upgrade to their training facilities at AAMI stadium in 2009? Don't they have unlimited training access to AAMI Stadium from the pre-season onwards?

And of course the 2015 the new stadium deal at the Adelaide Oval means that the Crows and the Power will be able to share an estimated additional $3.1m in 2015, rising to $4.1m in both 2016 and 2017.

We traded pick 10 and the Davis compensation pick for Luke Brown and Crouch. At the time Brown would have been lucky to be a second round pick.
The compo pick ended up pick 20. Hardly a gold mine.
We got nothing for Tippett, got unders for Gunston, Dangerfield as well. We gave up Vince for a second rounder, below his market value.
I would say you got market value on the go home five. None have really set the world on fire at their new clubs.
You got market value for Aish who hasnt done much.

Add to that the lost draft picks.
And while there may be more SA kids who get drafted we have no right to draft them. They all go into the main pool and the good ones are gone before we get our first pick.
Do you know how many top 10 picks we have on our list? How many player we have taken in the draft in the top 10? None.
You guys could have built better facilities but you chose not to. You put your money in the stockmarket instead and lost a shitload of it. Is that our fault because we didnt? Should we go back in the draft again this year so you can get a PP?
The Crows train at AAMI, but thats just a ground. Just a grass oval. Im sure you guys have access to a grass oval with just as green grass yeah?
The stadium deal we have is dependent on crowd numbers. You guy had good crowds when you were winning. Reality is when your shit the crowds disappear. Start winning, get a normal coach, develop your players better, trade and draft better.

Brisbane are just another example of the victim generation.
Eveything that has happened to you is your own fault.

 

[Groo2]

I would say you got market value on the go home five. None have really set the world on fire at their new clubs.
You got market value for Aish who hasnt done much.

Would love to have Yeo, Docherty and Polec in our side atm (actually not Polec no matter how well he is playing). At the time the general consensus was that Brisbane got no where near market value for those players, history has since backed this up.
Aish has not done much yet, but has a huge career in front of him unfortunately, happy with what we got for him though.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Where the hell did this come from

Yeah I can't believe the Brisbane coach didn't spend his press conference talking about the lack of success of Carlton player Andrew Walker.

Massive oversight.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

got unders for Dangerfield as well.
.

I dont care about this argument but are you that deluded? Come on mate

 

[JeffDunne]

Leppa was just continuing the "bash AFL" strategy the Lions have turned into an art form.

Not the smartest of strategies when you've got the begging bowl out but they're sticking with it regardless.

 

[McRobie]

If the AFL don't help Brisbane out with some draft concessions and bigger salary cap they will fold simple as that. You can't expect fans to keep turning up and watching them get pumped every week year in year out. Fans and players need hope.

 

[harmesy 37]

What a bizarre post...why would Leppitsch feel for a player he has never coached? Since when was 13 years ago 'just winning' flags? Why would Richmond, Carlton and Melbourne need assistance on the same level as the Lions? Are they having the same sort of issues as us? First I am hearing of it. Curious...very curious.

"Assistance" is so piece-meal. So incoherent and haphazard.
The AFL is set up like a socialist utopia and like all socialist organisations there ends up being favourites. People/groups that the commanders think deserve more than others for whatever reason.

I am saying that Brisbane since 2000 has had what five? bad years, no wooden spoons? and three premierships.
Try comparing that to 3-4 wooden spoons, majority of the time out of the finals, massive debts, a head office that doesn't care and no premierships since 2000.

I think Brisbane is doing very nicely in comparison if we are looking at post 2000.


But really your record stacks up well. Technically if you measure it just on premierships it is the 2nd best (equal) record in the league after Hawthorn since 2000. 3 flags. Thank you very much.


Your team has a few injuries and a sub-standard coach this year.
Don't worry, the AFL is already rushing to your assistance. There was an article in the paper the other day saying they are funding Brisbane's new facilities and also putting extra money here and there.

Meanwhile, Carlton is left to rot on the vine.

 

[harmesy 37]

If the AFL don't help Brisbane out with some draft concessions and bigger salary cap they will fold simple as that. You can't expect fans to keep turning up and watching them get pumped every week year in year out. Fans and players need hope.

Oh ok, so it is ok for Carlton fans to turn up to thrashings in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2014, 2015 and 2016 but not for Brisbane fans to turn up to thrashings in 2014, 2015 and 2016 because their poor souls can't stand it.
Last year Hawthorn beat Carlton 173 to 35...but that is ok as it wasn't Brisbane that suffered that loss.

Oh ok. I get it. One rule for a club in an "expansion" state, and another for other clubs.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Start a "Carlton need help" thread then.

Poor Carlton.

 

[Toump Ass]

Jared Polec
"I am at home in Port Adelaide. I grew up barracking for the Power, its such a great club and its a dream now to play for them. I probably wasn't as professional as I should have been and the injuries didn't help....."
- Jared Polec March 13th 2014.

Shaun Hart, the former Brisbane player and now Port Adelaide's director of coaching how big a role "being home" had played in the dashing midfielder becoming one of the recruits of the year, Hart said "enormous".

"He's back in a place where he feels like he's home and he's comfortable. And I think that's important for Jared, probably as much any other AFL footballer I've seen. He has worked really well once he got back to the environment that he grew up in."

Elliott Yeo - specifically requested a trade to his home state and was happy to play for either Fremantle or West Coast. His manager Colin Young said at the time that the reason for Yeo's decision to go home was not because of the Lions coaching situation, but because of Yeo's wanting to be back closer to family and friends.

Sam Docherty - chose Carlton because it was a strong club that had just played finals, because Mick Malthouse was coach and because he thought the team could achieve big things and he had grown up barracking for the club, just like his late father.

"I missed being able to go down the road to visit my aunty or having dinner with family or mates and just seeing a familiar face,"

'We're all leaving for one reason'. In the media it got hyped up that everyone wanted to leave because of 'Vossy', but that wasn't anyone's reason I don't think."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ted-him-to-blues/story-fni5f5nx-1226772473438

Billy Longer - went home to Victoria

"It's just that I thought St Kilda was the best place for me to develop my football. I saw the direction that this club was heading and also an opening, with Ben McEvoy leaving, for me to play some [senior] football. Added to the coming-home factor it just seemed like a great opportunity that I didn't want to miss.''

Patrick Karnezis - wanted to return home to be closer to family.

"Karnezis happily concedes he found the wrench of living away from family and friends difficult. "Just leaving home [at 18], being a Melbourne boy and coming from a very close family was tough,'' he said."

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...y-playing-for-collingwood-20131115-2xmf2.html

This is such a shit post.

Do you really think any player is going front up to the media and say "Yeah, what a ****ing rabble that place was... I couldn't wait to get out!"

How gullible are you, really?

 

[lionshine]

This is such a shit post.

Do you really think any player is going front up to the media and say "Yeah, what a ******* rabble that place was... I couldn't wait to get out!"

How gullible are you, really?

What was stopping them? Maverick Weller did it...

 

[Roylion]

Do you really think any player is going front up to the media and say "Yeah, what a ******* rabble that place was... I couldn't wait to get out!"

Present your evidence to the contrary in that case. Go on. There was nothing to stop them dissing the place and Voss. All five players went back to their home state - three (Polec, Docherty and Karnezis) to the clubs they supported as kids.