Brisbane needs help: 2016

[Hollow Knight]

*sigh*

I was talking about the rules in place that resulted in most of the priority picks TBD was whinging about.

I wasn't whinging about them. You're too busy ducking and weaving to avoid taking a bite out of the illogical shit sandwich you've made for yourself that you've lost all touch with the actual conversation.

 

[Hollow Knight]

AFL would be better looking at why the club is crap not throwing another young kid into it. they think they are helping Brisbane but forget the 18yo kid involved.

Didn't the giants set up a apartment complex and house all the kids. It's a great idea and should be funded by he AFL for Sydney, giants, suns and lions.

I don't think apeing GWS's housing setup would be a good use of our limited resources. The bigger issue at present is that our team, facilities and financial position are shithouse.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I don't think apeing GWS's housing setup would be a good use of our limited resources. The bigger issue at present is that our team, facilities and financial position are shithouse.

as I said the AFL should fund it.

 

[Hollow Knight]

as I said the AFL should fund it.

Facilities first.

 

[Leeda]

Facilities first.

so you aren't going to get the grand final eh?

 

[LeverPuller]

Worst 22-game VFL/AFL seasons
Fitzroy 1996 - 1W, 49.5%
GWS 2013 - 1W, 50.9%
Essendon 2016 - 1W, 57% ♧
North Melbourne 1972 - 1W, 62.9%
Sydney 1993 - 1W, 63% ♤
Melbourne 1981 - 1W, 63.9%
GWS 2012 - 2W, 46.1%
Melbourne 2013 - 2W, 54%
Fitzroy 1995 - 2W, 58%
Brisbane 2016 - 2W, 60% ♢
St Kilda 2000 - 2W, 70%
Fremantle 2001 - 2W, 72%

♤ - Although only a 20-game season, this is a modern-era season so I included the Swans.
♧ - Essendon 2016 is exceptional due to the drugs saga. Season in progress.
♢ - Brisbane 2016 still in progress.

Now, Melbourne 2013 are the worst side not to win the spoon.

Brisbane are historically bad but the AFL shot this in the foot by not giving one to Melbourne.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Facilities first.

you train at the gabba. how bad are the facilities? I honestly have got no idea.

are they worse the dogs and roos until recently? I walked through the tigers rooms a few weeks back and was underwhelmed. they are cramped and the change rooms and coaches offices hardly looked elite.

 

[pulpdriver]

you train at the gabba. how bad are the facilities? I honestly have got no idea.

are they worse the dogs and roos until recently? I walked through the tigers rooms a few weeks back and was underwhelmed. they are cramped and the change rooms and coaches offices hardly looked elite.

Dungeon with no natural sunlight.
So small that groups are required to train in shifts.
Up to two more drives to different locations may be required during the day depending on the player's assigned workload/required conditioning as it simply doesn't have facilities considered basic amenities by other clubs.

 

[Hollow Knight]

you train at the gabba. how bad are the facilities? I honestly have got no idea..

Horrendous. Cramped subterranean dungeon. Have to drive to Coorparoo to use an oval, and to Colmslie to use a pool.

And on top of that, we are paying a ludicrous amount of rent for this terrible facilities.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Dungeon with no natural sunlight.
So small that groups are required to train in shifts.
Up to two more drives to different locations may be required during the day depending on the player's assigned workload/required conditioning as it simply doesn't have facilities considered basic amenities by other clubs.

I cant comment on yours but we have the best in the comp and it isn't helping us.

 

[pulpdriver]

I cant comment on yours but we have the best in the comp and it isn't helping us.

Yeah, that's a mystery because on paper I rate the Pies list.

Regardless we have the worst facilities in the comp and arguably the worst list and both are hurting us.

 

[Del165198]

Brisbane should get pick 1 because essendon don't deserve it

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Worst 22-game VFL/AFL seasons
Fitzroy 1996 - 1W, 49.5%
GWS 2013 - 1W, 50.9%
Essendon 2016 - 1W, 57% ♧
North Melbourne 1972 - 1W, 62.9%
Sydney 1993 - 1W, 63% ♤
Melbourne 1981 - 1W, 63.9%
GWS 2012 - 2W, 46.1%
Melbourne 2013 - 2W, 54%
Fitzroy 1995 - 2W, 58%
Brisbane 2016 - 2W, 60% ♢
St Kilda 2000 - 2W, 70%
Fremantle 2001 - 2W, 72%

♤ - Although only a 20-game season, this is a modern-era season so I included the Swans.
♧ - Essendon 2016 is exceptional due to the drugs saga. Season in progress.
♢ - Brisbane 2016 still in progress.

Now, Melbourne 2013 are the worst side not to win the spoon.

Brisbane are historically bad but the AFL shot this in the foot by not giving one to Melbourne.

Melbourne isn't the yard stick For priority picks, comparing the Demons (2014) to us now.

Melbourne had been found guilty of Tanking the previous year, a bad look for the AFL to be giving them additional assisance the following year. In contrast Brisbane have actually won draft defining games, when we could have looked at the possibility of tanking, Western Bulldogs last year and Essendon this year.

From 2013 to 2014, Melbourne had actually improved on its wins (2 wins to 4) But weve continued to go backwards at the same rate. They had decent young talent on the list. Hogan, Viney, Salem, Tyson, Toumpas to go with Watts, Trengrove, Grimes and a few other decent young prospects (that's not listing other previous failed high draft selections). Outside of Schache and Hipwood we don't have anyone that project to be in the same caliber especially the first few.

The Frawley situation, even if you don't believe in the hidden priority pick theory. The AFL would have had a decent idea of what compensation would have been generated and was a factor in application and ultimately denying the pick.

 

[Natho]

Maybe Michael Voss might help.. oh wait.

Get Paul Roos over there. Pay him whatever TF he wants.

 

[LeverPuller]

Melbourne isn't the yard stick For priority picks, comparing the Demons (2014) to us now.

Melbourne had been found guilty of Tanking the previous year, a bad look for the AFL to be giving them additional assisance the following year. In contrast Brisbane have actually won draft defining games, when we could have looked at the possibility of tanking, Western Bulldogs last year and Essendon this year.

From 2013 to 2014, Melbourne had actually improved on its wins (2 wins to 4) But weve continued to go backwards at the same rate. They had decent young talent on the list. Hogan, Viney, Salem, Tyson, Toumpas to go with Watts, Trengrove, Grimes and a few other decent young prospects (that's not listing other previous failed high draft selections). Outside of Schache and Hipwood we don't have anyone that project to be in the same caliber especially the first few.

The Frawley situation, even if you don't believe in the hidden priority pick theory. The AFL would have had a decent idea of what compensation would have been generated and was a factor in application and ultimately denying the pick.

Nope. They are. Melbourne applied for a pick at the end of 2013 (before Frawley left as FA). Furthermore they were at the apex of their decline - we had gone 8>4>2.
Under the new rules, the AFL considers a range of criteria including historical performance and potential to improve. Under these rules were what the Dees were judged on. Melbourne at the end of 2013 were judged on this potential due to:
The return of Mitch Clark (played 4 more games)
The debut of Jesse Hogan (injured 2014)
The 'natural improvement' of the list (most 2013 players are gone or on the way out).

Now, Brisbane have a better list, more 'natural' improvement and Dayne Beams. Hmm.

 

[JoondalupJ]

Dungeon with no natural sunlight.
So small that groups are required to train in shifts.
Up to two more drives to different locations may be required during the day depending on the player's assigned workload/required conditioning as it simply doesn't have facilities considered basic amenities by other clubs.

Amenities and travelling to training places in different areas is a nonsense in the modern AFL . I am amazed that this is whats going on, then I hear that McGlaghlan was making comments about the re signing of Leppitch by Brisbane before the season got under way?
What the hell is he doing making comments like that, and having it come out in the 360 or AFL News show tonight.

And he is the AFL chief with his hand on the till as GWS "manufactured" starts to take over at the expense of other traditional clubs . And believe me Brisbane is a traditional club , which went miles ahead when Fitzroy ( a famous VFL/AFL football club got massacred and sent North) arrived and it went on to great things , now look. Its dying!

Moving Lions to QLD was a bad idea for Fitzroy but the AFL was killing them off anyway!

So it became a good idea to save a dying Bear. And did it ever!

Then they went a bridge too far and got GC17 and GWS. And in comes the foregone conclusion games. And a diluted pool.

Now the Royboys are in massive strife again but in QLD.

And the Media is getting its rocks off over it.

We have Ratten mentioned, and why did Sumich quit Dockers this week? I may be wrong but the vultures out for Leppitch.

Back to McGlaghlan, he was in doubt about Leppitch before he even started the season. I'd say that McGlaghlan is a bureaucrat with some knowledge of corporate stuff which may be much more than his football knowledge.

But he is the system like Dimetriou was. And I have doubts about him . Any way that's not all.

Tonight a bloodY commentator comments this... Leppitch is gone , HIS PLAYERS JUST AREN'T PLAYING FOR HIM??? Well what a piddly comment from a half wit, fair dinkum have a look at the situation and the squad, even Browny said they played 12 or 13 babies, THESE KIDS MAY NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PLAY FOR LEPPA.

I think the head hunt and the scrounging media circus around Justin Leppitch is an AFL media sickness, with no rhyme or reason , when a club is in dire straights, though in the majority of circumstance surrounding this club , can hardly be blamed on the coach.

But they want to bury him, the commentators and the media is as I said, has a sickness, that surrounds AFL reporting, its cruel and actually has no reality. Because the rumour is all that matters.

I'd like to hear what others think about this, but proper reasoning not just smear.

Leppitch has a team that cannot compete with the rest, except against a mutilated team like Essendon, most of the time.

Barrassi , Mathews , Roos , Pagan , Parkin, Jeans, Malthouse, give them the Brisbane Lions this year, and they are all Justin Leppitch.

And if he is crucified, they will never ever know whether he was a good or bad coach because he hasn't had a chance, with what he's had at his disposal.

Also leave our bloody coaching panel alone too.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Nope. They are. Melbourne applied for a pick at the end of 2013 (before Frawley left as FA). Furthermore they were at the apex of their decline - we had gone 8>4>2.
Under the new rules, the AFL considers a range of criteria including historical performance and potential to improve. Under these rules were what the Dees were judged on. Melbourne at the end of 2013 were judged on this potential due to:
The return of Mitch Clark (played 4 more games)
The debut of Jesse Hogan (injured 2014)
The 'natural improvement' of the list (most 2013 players are gone or on the way out).

Now, Brisbane have a better list, more 'natural' improvement and Dayne Beams. Hmm.

My mistake, thought you only applied for one 2014. Still don't think you should be the yard stick either.

The point about tanking, stand even more so in the year you were penalised for it. Something that would have been factored in heavily. You still had a lot of high end picks in the preceding drafts, id argue that we haven't had the same access, or atleast access that reflects our finishes.

Anyways interesting to see what happen, seems to be getting some traction lately

 

[Jade]

Give the priority pick to them.

And then disband the option completely.

Pathetic club.

 

[snooplions]

Give the priority pick to them.

And then disband the option completely.

Pathetic club.

Hahahahahahaha we might be a pathetic club. But we are the pathetic club that didn't dope.

 

[pinot]

Definitely give them pick 1 + 2 this year no doubts about it.

 

[Dom PC]

Despite how bad Brisbane have been, they are still not Melbourne 2013. No PP.

If you factor pure talent, it can certainly be argued we are in a worse situation than Melbourne. For all the years we have missed finals (1 finals appearance from 13 years), we have just 4 top 20 draft picks.

How many top 20 picks did Melbourne have when they applied for a priority pick?
Just checked
15 - J.Hogan, N.Jones, J.Watts, J.Toumpas, J.Viney (FS), J.Frawley, J.Trengove, C.Sylvia, M.Clark, L.Dunn, S.Blease, J.Strauss, J.Sellar, J.Grimes, L.Tapscott.

Vs

Brisbane has 4 - D.Rich, J.Shache, S,Mayes, E.Hipwood.

I think Brisbane actually has a better case then Melbourne did.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Gotta love Melbourne fans after the AFL picked them out of a hole while providing generous gifts with free agency compensation and dodgy bidding for one of their best midfielders in Viney.

Dodgy bidding?

Ah, i get it, you're one of those crazy tin foil hat people.

Carry on

 

[Marc_Remillard]

If you factor pure talent, it can certainly be argued we are in a worse situation than Melbourne. For all the years we have missed finals (1 finals appearance from 13 years), we have just 4 top 20 draft picks.

How many top 20 picks did Melbourne have when they applied for a priority pick?
Just checked
15 - J.Hogan, N.Jones, J.Watts, J.Toumpas, J.Viney (FS), J.Frawley, J.Trengove, C.Sylvia, M.Clark, L.Dunn, S.Blease, J.Strauss, J.Sellar, J.Grimes, L.Tapscott.

Vs

Brisbane has 4 - D.Rich, J.Shache, S,Mayes, E.Hipwood.

I think Brisbane actually has a better case then Melbourne did.

How many first round picks has Brisbane traded out?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

If you factor pure talent, it can certainly be argued we are in a worse situation than Melbourne. For all the years we have missed finals (1 finals appearance from 13 years), we have just 4 top 20 draft picks.

How many top 20 picks did Melbourne have when they applied for a priority pick?
Just checked
15 - J.Hogan, N.Jones, J.Watts, J.Toumpas, J.Viney (FS), J.Frawley, J.Trengove, C.Sylvia, M.Clark, L.Dunn, S.Blease, J.Strauss, J.Sellar, J.Grimes, L.Tapscott.

Vs

Brisbane has 4 - D.Rich, J.Shache, S,Mayes, E.Hipwood.

I think Brisbane actually has a better case then Melbourne did.

Sylvia, J.Sellar, Tapscott, M.Clark, Toumpas, Blease, Strauss.

Oh yeah, what wonderful talent all those players were, in fact i'm shocked that we didn't win 3 premierships in a row with all that elite first round talent.

You really are great at identifying talent, have you ever considered being a scout for Brisbane? They could definitely use your skills

 

[Dom PC]

How many first round picks has Brisbane traded out?

Sylvia, J.Sellar, Tapscott, M.Clark, Toumpas, Blease, Strauss.

Oh yeah, what wonderful talent all those players were, in fact i'm shocked that we didn't win 3 premierships in a row with all that elite first round talent.

You really are great at identifying talent, have you ever considered being a scout for Brisbane? They could definitely use your skills

A club who has won two games and has 15 top 20 draft picks and is asking for another one is less likely to receive one, than a club who also has won two games and has just 4 top 20 draft picks.

The AFL said as much when they rejected you then.