Brisbane needs help: 2016

[adammania9]

Why are Melbourne fans complaining? James Frawley was a disguised priority pick. Clear as day. No other club would have gotten band 1 for a player like him.

 

[King Wavo]

Gotta love Melbourne fans after the AFL picked them out of a hole while providing generous gifts with free agency compensation and dodgy bidding for one of their best midfielders in Viney.

Completely agree. AFL were very generous to a club that brought the game into disrepute.

 

[LeverPuller]

My mistake, thought you only applied for one 2014. Still don't think you should be the yard stick either.

The point about tanking, stand even more so in the year you were penalised for it. Something that would have been factored in heavily. You still had a lot of high end picks in the preceding drafts, id argue that we haven't had the same access, or atleast access that reflects our finishes.

Anyways interesting to see what happen, seems to be getting some traction lately

Unfortunately the yardstick is there because of the historic nature of that Melbourne season. They're the worst non-wooden spooner ever. 7th worst side of the last 46 years.

Why are Melbourne fans complaining? James Frawley was a disguised priority pick. Clear as day. No other club would have gotten band 1 for a player like him.

For a player who is in AA discussions and nearly won the Norm Smith Medal....

 

[adammania9]

For a player who is in AA discussions and nearly won the Norm Smith Medal....

So you're saying players are worth what may happen in the future that hasn't happened yet?

 

[LeverPuller]

So you're saying players are worth what may happen in the future that hasn't happened yet?

It's not like he hadn't already been an All-Australian.

Is anyone saying Hurley isn't worth a 1st right now?

 

[tige19]

Everyone having a crack at Brisbane and that's fair enough, why players leave has a lot to do with the development they receive and the coach. Brisbane haven't had a good coach since Matthews left, things will change quickly with the right person steering the ship.

Richmond are the biggest basket case, they have 18 top 20 draft picks on their list compared to Brisbanes 4! The Tigers have got a bad coach, bad coaching staff, shocking recruiting department and terrible development.

Any free agent with half a brain would not, ever consider Richmond as a place of destination. You would be better off heading to Brisbane, particularly if they get the right person in to steer the ship along with the foreseen AFL help and new facility that's coming.

 

[adammania9]

It's not like he hadn't already been an All-Australian.

Is anyone saying Hurley isn't worth a 1st right now?

No because Hurley is far superior now than what Frawley was for his last couple of years at the Dees.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

A club who has won two games and has 15 top 20 draft picks and is asking for another one is less likely to receive one, than a club who also has won two games and has just 4 top 20 draft picks.

The AFL said as much when they rejected you then.

I agreed with the AFL, I didn't want us to get one and I'm happy that we didn't.

But you're wrong, that's not why the AFL rejected the bid, scroll up and read Striker's post.

What you've done though is to demonstrate your complete lack of understanding on what actually took place. You've included James Sellar as evidence of Melbourne having all these top 20 picks which was the reason the AFL said no.

Melbourne used pick 54 to get Sellar in the 2011 draft.

How many first round picks have Brisbane traded out? But I've actually softened on my views, I'm actually for Brisbane getting a priority pick, I think they genuinely need it. Happy for a first round pick however I'd like to see a condition used on it. I think the points should only go towards academy players and any left over points can be banked and used in later years, say up to 5 years.

But please don't post crap like James Sellar being a top 20 pick for Melbourne.

 

[SizeMatters]

We will get even worse next season which is the sad thing...

 

[Milux]

We will get even worse next season which is the sad thing...

We could yes. But id like to think this is our rock bottom. With some experience coming back from injury and hopefully talent coming through the draft or trade period who knows. Not saying we will set the world on fire or am i expecting a huge improvement. Just cant see us doing any worse.

 

[Dom PC]

I agreed with the AFL, I didn't want us to get one and I'm happy that we didn't.

But you're wrong, that's not why the AFL rejected the bid, scroll up and read Striker's post.

What you've done though is to demonstrate your complete lack of understanding on what actually took place. You've included James Sellar as evidence of Melbourne having all these top 20 picks which was the reason the AFL said no.

Melbourne used pick 54 to get Sellar in the 2011 draft.

How many first round picks have Brisbane traded out? But I've actually softened on my views, I'm actually for Brisbane getting a priority pick, I think they genuinely need it. Happy for a first round pick however I'd like to see a condition used on it. I think the points should only go towards academy players and any left over points can be banked and used in later years, say up to 5 years.

But please don't post crap like James Sellar being a top 20 pick for Melbourne.

I knew that about James. Still doesn't change the fact he was a top 20 draft pick.

Take James out that list if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change or make my point any less meaningful. Melbourne had way more talent using the draft as a measuring stick.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

I knew that about James. Still doesn't change the fact he was a top 20 draft pick.

Take James out that list if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change or make my point any less meaningful. Melbourne had way more talent using the draft as a measuring stick.

Yes it does, it demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of the situation. You're now trying to move the goal posts to cover for your own mistake.

You specifically stated that the reason why the AFL said no was because we had 15 top 20 picks on our list, but you've been proved wrong so now you're saying the reason is because we had 14 top 20 picks.

You're just making it up as you go along. I've already told you, if you want to know the real reason why they said no then scroll up and read strikers post.

Regardless, i've already stated that I think Brisbane should get one so I'm not sure why you're continuing to argue with me.

What I find interesting about the two clubs is back then Melbourne fans wanted to get rid of Neeld because of what he did to our club. Seems to be a bit different with Brisbane and Leppa's been there for longer, this is the list he has built.

 

[JeffDunne]

It's ridiculous for Brisbane to keep making reference to the number of first round picks on their list as an indication of how poorly they've been treated.

That lack of talent is a reflection of how poorly they've drafted and how poorly they've managed their list. Nothing more.

 

[Dom PC]

Yes it does, it demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of the situation. You're now trying to move the goal posts to cover for your own mistake.

You specifically stated that the reason why the AFL said no was because we had 15 top 20 picks on our list, but you've been proved wrong so now you're saying the reason is because we had 14 top 20 picks.

You're just making it up as you go along. I've already told you, if you want to know the real reason why they said no then scroll up and read strikers post.

Regardless, i've already stated that I think Brisbane should get one so I'm not sure why you're continuing to argue with me.

What I find interesting about the two clubs is back then Melbourne fans wanted to get rid of Neeld because of what he did to our club. Seems to be a bit different with Brisbane and Leppa's been there for l

onger, this is the list he has built.

Making it up as I go along? Melbourne had 15 top 20 picks on their list when they applied for a PP... I'm reading the facts. Your the one trying to fudge them. Sellar was a top 20 draft pick. Just like Luke Ball was a top 3 draft pick, even though he was drafted at pick 30 by Collingwood.

Unless you are going to add something meaningful to the discussion, other than debating whether Melbourne had 14 or 15 top 20 draft picks on their list, then I think you should just move along.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Making it up as I go along? Melbourne had 15 top 20 picks on their list when they applied for a PP... I'm reading the facts. Your the one trying to fudge them. Sellar was a top 20 draft pick. Just like Luke Ball was a top 3 draft pick, even though he was drafted at pick 30 by Collingwood.

Unless you are going to add something meaningful to the discussion, other than debating whether Melbourne had 14 or 15 top 20 draft picks on their list, I think you should just move along.

Anyone who thinks that Sellar was the quality of a top 20 pick when Melbourne used pick 54 on him in the 2011 draft knows nothing about football. Is that you?

Anyone who thinks that the AFL would have made the decision based on a player like James Sellar knows nothing about football. Is that you?

Here's a question for you.

Dayne Beams was originally picked at 29 by Collingwood, however Brisbane traded pick 5 (and others) to secure him.
When the AFL looks at your list what value would they put on him? You state that Brisbane have only 4 first round picks, yet you conveniently leave out the picks Brisbane has traded out.

So what's Beams' true value, pick 29 that he was originally taken or what Brisbane gave to secure him, pick 5, 25 and Jack Crisp. (Add back 67).

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Dom PC]

Anyone who thinks that Sellar was the quality of a top 20 pick when Melbourne used pick 54 on him in the 2011 draft knows nothing about football. Is that you?

Anyone who thinks that the AFL would have made the decision based on a player like James Sellar knows nothing about football. Is that you?

Here's a question for you.

Dayne Beams was originally picked at 29 by Collingwood, however Brisbane traded pick 5 (and others) to secure him.
When the AFL looks at your list what value would they put on him? You state that Brisbane have only 4 first round picks, yet you conveniently leave out the picks Brisbane has traded out.

So what's Beams' true value, pick 29 that he was originally taken or what Brisbane gave to secure him, pick 5, 25 and Jack Crisp. (Add back 67).

You can't have it both ways.

If it makes you feel better, say Melbourne had 14 top 20 draft picks on their list and Brisbane has 5 now then. What is your point in all this? Melbourne still had a far greater amount of top 20 draft picks...

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Anyone who thinks that Sellar was the quality of a top 20 pick when Melbourne used pick 54 on him in the 2011 draft knows nothing about football. Is that you?

Anyone who thinks that the AFL would have made the decision based on a player like James Sellar knows nothing about football. Is that you?

Here's a question for you.

Dayne Beams was originally picked at 29 by Collingwood, however Brisbane traded pick 5 (and others) to secure him.
When the AFL looks at your list what value would they put on him? You state that Brisbane have only 4 first round picks, yet you conveniently leave out the picks Brisbane has traded out.

So what's Beams' true value, pick 29 that he was originally taken or what Brisbane gave to secure him, pick 5, 25 and Jack Crisp. (Add back 67).

You can't have it both ways.

I think Beams should be judged at trade value, much like Dawes would have been, pick 20 yer?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

If it makes you feel better, say Melbourne had 14 top 20 draft picks on their list and Brisbane has 5 now then. What is your point in all this? Melbourne still had a far greater amount of top 20 draft picks...

And I've already agreed with you that I think Brisbane should get a pick AND I've already stated that I didn't want Melbourne to get one back then.

I've already made my point, you've conceded that you were wrong. Fair enough, not sure why you had to argue about it when you were clearly wrong

 

[Leemas]

Any time a club hits rock bottom like Brisbane have this season there's far more wrong than the playing personnel.

Can never understand how the AFL come to the conclusion that the best way to assist that situation is to expose more young A grade talent to that toxic environment.

I'd be disappointed if the AFL gave a priority pick before those issues are addressed at Brisbane.

I know for a fact that regardless of on field results he young blokes are absolutely loving Brisbane and it is quite far from a toxic environment. If you don't want to take my word for it then look at them all lining up to re-sign. We have 1 player left to sign up and all our gun young kids have signed extensions.

 

[Dom PC]

And I've already agreed with you that I think Brisbane should get a pick AND I've already stated that I didn't want Melbourne to get one back then.

I've already made my point, you've conceded that you were wrong. Fair enough, not sure why you had to argue about it when you were clearly wrong

Sellar was a top 20 draft pick. Your point was moot. Build a bridge.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Sellar was a top 20 draft pick. Your point was moot. Build a bridge.

And Melbourne used pick 54.

What's Beams' real value, where he was picked or what picks Brisbane used to get him?

All you're doing is demonstrating that you have nfi, don't blame me kid.

 

[Prince Imperial]

It's ridiculous for Brisbane to keep making reference to the number of first round picks on their list as an indication of how poorly they've been treated.

That lack of talent is a reflection of how poorly they've drafted and how poorly they've managed their list. Nothing more.

Traded out 12 and Henderson (pick 8) for Fevola. Traded pick 5 for Beams. Allowed Leuenberger to go to Essendon as a restricted free agent so they could get the compo.

Four first round picks now at other clubs who have spent a lot of 2016 running around in state leagues (Clark, Longer, Aish, Polec).

Other than Docherty it's hard to see how this is not a reflection of deliberate trading decisions and poor drafting.

 

[Jade]

Everyone having a crack at Brisbane and that's fair enough, why players leave has a lot to do with the development they receive and the coach. Brisbane haven't had a good coach since Matthews left, things will change quickly with the right person steering the ship.

Richmond are the biggest basket case, they have 18 top 20 draft picks on their list compared to Brisbanes 4! The Tigers have got a bad coach, bad coaching staff, shocking recruiting department and terrible development.

Any free agent with half a brain would not, ever consider Richmond as a place of destination. You would be better off heading to Brisbane, particularly if they get the right person in to steer the ship along with the foreseen AFL help and new facility that's coming.

New facility, new coach, and a strong board.

That's what Brisbane needs - not priority picks.

Pump them full of top draft picks now and all you'll have is more players leaving.

 

[JeffDunne]

I know for a fact that regardless of on field results he young blokes are absolutely loving Brisbane and it is quite far from a toxic environment. If you don't want to take my word for it then look at them all lining up to re-sign. We have 1 player left to sign up and all our gun young kids have signed extensions.

*sigh*

It was a general comment on the logic of giving priority picks to clubs that aren't performing.

I didn't make comment on Brisbane's environment specifically. However when you're getting the shit kicked out you a football club is never a good environment so I assume it's not ideal.

Brisbane think Brisbane is a shit place for footballers. Convince them or at least get them to stop whinging about it.

 

[Tom12]

I understand the argument both ways on this one, Brisbane are a lost cause - at least for the short-medium term.
Maybe a priority pick will help, maybe it won't.

I do think though on this one we have to factor their failure to retain talent, who's fault is it that they are in this situation? There's probably a number of factors that come into this but the club has to own a large share of the responsibility. They aren't good enough on a playing, coaching or administration level - regardless of what other clubs are or aren't getting - it's fine to point fingers but that does not cover their inability as a football club to operate at the minimum standard.
I don't see why the AFL or fans should feel sorry for them, they very well may be losing out on some concessional benefits but that doesn't explain as to why they have been so dysfunctional.