Scandal Brownlow Betting Scandal

[master bate]

So gambling companies get to decide what we can and cannot say and the penalty is criminal rather than civil?

And youre okay with this?

The courts decide if it’s criminal not the betting companies. They can only flag irregular results to the police.

And the law has provisions for the conduct a reasonable person would expect from someone in an official capacity.

Like it or not sports betting is a huge industry and every bet takes place in a market. $100 on Sam Powell Pepper to get 3 votes ain’t breaking the bank and shouldn’t be triggering huge losses for whoever bet on Wines or someone similar. But you can’t allow just a little bit of corruption by an official with the Brownlow, otherwise do you draw the line at match fixing?

None of that means there doesn’t need to be about 1000 times more regulation imposed on the bookies, especially when it comes to their advertising and targeting of youth and problem gamblers.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Says a lot about Margetts that he's come out and publicly shat on a colleague before all the facts have been established. Even if the guy is guilty as sin you don't need to stick the knife in when plenty of media personalities will be doing just that on a slow news day...

Has he done that though? I haven't read/heard the whole thing, but the quotes that I have seen, he hasn't named the bloke and is just giving generalised comments on the allegations and how they're expected to act as umpires.
Someone from their own ranks, regardless of who it is, doing something like this tarnishes all their reputations (as evidenced by comments in this thread and other social media threads).

There are so many people who either haven't read, or don't understand the allegations and are just running with the AFL is corrupt, the voting was rigged, Cripps should hand back the medal.
Some are even saying that this umpire gave SPP the 3 votes in round 11.
My understanding is that the votes are a consensus vote between the 3 field umpires, possibly including the emergency umpire as well. There's no way a 1st year field umpire, with 11 games to his name, is going to influence the votes of the other umpires, especially one that had nearly 300 games under his belt.

I can't find fault in his comments at all.

 

[nobbyiscool]

How is stealing money from other punters ******* the bookies?

The *?

Unless you’re on a betting exchange, you’re betting against the bookie, so that’s who you’re screwing.

Not sure you understand how gambling works…

 

[Kappa]

The difference in insider trading is that the market and the public loses. The only people who are harmed here are the betting agencies themselves. The betting agencies already have sole control over how their markets move so that they can hedge their losses and operate at an almost guaranteed profit. If it was of substantial volume of betting to cause damage to the betting company they would (or should) have either not taken the bet or adjusted the line sufficiently to hedge. They get to cry foul when they lose out, yet they consistently close markets and adjust lines at their own will to protect themselves?

It doesn’t matter who loses, betting companies are legal companies and leaking information like this is corruption.

 

[Chief]

It doesn’t matter who loses, betting companies are legal companies and leaking information like this is corruption.

Bookies don't own the event.

 

[Slartibartfast]

So gambling companies get to decide what we can and cannot say and the penalty is criminal rather than civil?

And youre okay with this?

No , governments make the rules. They have courts to enforce the rules.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

They're hardly going to open up an investigation about a dodgy inaccurate tip that doesn't come to fruition are they?

No they aren't because.they got their money.

 

[NonPhixion]

I'd like to know if the bets were flagged prior to the start of the count, or if it only came to their attention after the end of the night.
If the bets were flagged up before the count and suspicious betting was identified, they could have suspended betting on certain players for certain rounds but still keeping betting available for those games (essentially making it available to bet on something that ultimately loses). This is just as bad but they would never be penalized for doing it.

 

[GWT6]

The difference in insider trading is that the market and the public loses. The only people who are harmed here are the betting agencies themselves. The betting agencies already have sole control over how their markets move so that they can hedge their losses and operate at an almost guaranteed profit. If it was of substantial volume of betting to cause damage to the betting company they would (or should) have either not taken the bet or adjusted the line sufficiently to hedge. They get to cry foul when they lose out, yet they consistently close markets and adjust lines at their own will to protect themselves?

The other massive difference is Directors, Owners and employees of listed companies can not benefit financially from information that is not common knowledge in the market.

Could you imagine what it would be like if these betting agencies had to stop trading and divulge any information that they have come across to make sure the punter is fully informed before they pace a bet?

The government makes the rules to ensure the public that votes for them are fleeced by the small number that bribe them (including "donations") to the politicians.

 

[The 747]

Well this umpire will get the book thrown and it is technically stealing.

But the world's smallest violin for the poor victim here. Betting agencies are scum.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Bookies don't own the event.

Weird, cant beleive i'm agreeing with Chief

 

[FlowersByIrene]

It doesn’t matter who loses, betting companies are legal companies and leaking information like this is corruption.

This isn't information about the company. It's information about an event that the bookies have a market on. There is no comparison.

 

[Sentinel]

Is Pell accused of placing bets himself on these games, or just letting information slip to his mates?

 

[Feerits Elf]

Absolute disgrace.

Dogs.

YOU LEAVE FOOTSCRAY OUT OF THIS

 

[Dave]

The courts decide if it’s criminal not the betting companies. They can only flag irregular results to the police.

And the law has provisions for the conduct a reasonable person would expect from someone in an official capacity.

Like it or not sports betting is a huge industry and every bet takes place in a market. $100 on Sam Powell Pepper to get 3 votes ain’t breaking the bank and shouldn’t be triggering huge losses for whoever bet on Wines or someone similar. But you can’t allow just a little bit of corruption by an official with the Brownlow, otherwise do you draw the line at match fixing?

None of that means there doesn’t need to be about 1000 times more regulation imposed on the bookies, especially when it comes to their advertising and targeting of youth and problem gamblers.

Or their restrictions on people who win.....

 

[Big Bryza]

What about the games he didn’t dominate and still got votes it’s about time they scrap umpires giving votes anyway it’s a midfielders award anyway

If your aunty had aggots, she'd be your uncle.

 

[Pistol Night]

If your aunty had aggots, she'd be your uncle.

Yeah Aunty Gary always tells us that

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

If your aunty had aggots, she'd be your uncle.

Unless your auntie was Dani Laidley

 

[Anzacpaul]

View attachment 1554350

This is the list of games that he umpired

You dust off the old 486 for this one?

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Pell only officiated/umpired in one Carlton game last season fwiw.

Also it had nothing to do with Cripps or Carlton meddling personally, so he definitely won't lose the medal

Definitely more then one field umpire involved here though

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Did he umpire any finals?

Don't believe he umpired any games after round 20 (according to what I read in the HUN)

It's possible he was under investigation before the end of the season

 

[hoianbulldog]

Does this mean gil will give himself another extension. Who else can sort this mess?

 

[beema limapep]

Definitely more then one field umpire involved here though

Why and how have you come to this conclusion? Genuinely interested.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Saw the headline and just assumed there was finally an investigation into how Sam Draper polled 3 votes in round 1 2021 after 11 touches in the losing side.

 

[Jan Juc]

Why and how have you come to this conclusion? Genuinely interested.

Perhaps, just maybe, that the whistle-blower (bookmaker) had two separate matches that were of major concern/alarm, and the named umpire only officiated in one of them? Just spit-balling here.