Play Nice Bye bye Brad

[Only Forwards]

I guess I just choose to believe that poor periods of play should be on the players as much as the coach.

I agree.

I think neither happen in isolation and that no one party is more accountable.

What happens though is that it leads me to the question, which is more replacable 46 players or half a dozen coaches?

Brad has had 6 years and the ability to feed into the recruitment process to get players to fill holes in our games. Yet here we are we still melt in quarters and 3 weeks out from finals we cannot definitely say we will be playing in them. Odds are against us playing a prelim again, and they are incredibly long that we would play off in the Grand Final let alone win the flag.

Finals are great and I hope we play them but when you take a step back and look at where we are and the time that it has taken to get here is it acceptable?

 

[Black2Blue]

Brad will know that his future at North is on the precipice when he pops on to BF and sees the Kudos to Brad Scott Thread locked in a neck to neck battle with the Bye bye Brad Thread. Is Sportsbet offering odds on which thread will be dominating after round 22?

 

[niko11]

I agree.

I think neither happen in isolation and that no one party is more accountable.

What happens though is that it leads me to the question, which is more replacable 46 players or half a dozen coaches?

Brad has had 6 years and the ability to feed into the recruitment process to get players to fill holes in our games. Yet here we are we still melt in quarters and 3 weeks out from finals we cannot definitely say we will be playing in them. Odds are against us playing a prelim again, and they are incredibly long that we would play off in the Grand Final let alone win the flag.

Finals are great and I hope we play them but when you take a step back and look at where we are and the time that it has taken to get here is it acceptable?

Good question!
To ur first one after 6-7 years the coach goes first and then the new coach can decide which players he keeps and which players he doesn't...
That's how i'v seen it play out for the last 30 odd years of watching footy..

 

[Only Forwards]

Good question!
To ur first one after 6-7 years the coach goes first and then the new coach can decide which players he keeps and which players he doesn't...
That's how i'v seen it play out for the last 30 odd years of watching footy..

THe only example I can think of where a coach was given more time to win a flag was Malthouse at Collingwood and in his first few years he made back to back grandfinals.

 

[Kanga1996]

I agree.

I think neither happen in isolation and that no one party is more accountable.

What happens though is that it leads me to the question, which is more replacable 46 players or half a dozen coaches?

Brad has had 6 years and the ability to feed into the recruitment process to get players to fill holes in our games. Yet here we are we still melt in quarters and 3 weeks out from finals we cannot definitely say we will be playing in them. Odds are against us playing a prelim again, and they are incredibly long that we would play off in the Grand Final let alone win the flag.

Finals are great and I hope we play them but when you take a step back and look at where we are and the time that it has taken to get here is it acceptable?

More than happy for us to pay out his contract at the end of year under the right circumstances.. my original comments were based on people calling for his sacking after the second quarter against St Kilda but like you said its goes deeper and a change of coach may be the best thing because 46 players wont ever be replaced.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Did you watch the game vs StK? 17 disposals = 5 goals within 7 minutes!! Broke the game open in a game that was hotly contested from the get-go. StK play like that and they beat most teams.

Silver service from the middle to the forward line in those 7 minutes. Good luck with Sandi, Fyfe and company but you never know.

What the game highlighted is we do not like frontal pressure and our disposal which is questionable to begin with goes to crap, including the handballs which just put us under more pressure. Once the opposition gets the ball it is like there are autobahns on the ground going the other way.

The disturbing thing is we have about 144 games average experience across the park over the last 8 weeks and anything from 45 - 75 games average over the opposition. So OK we are missing a couple of line breakers which we cannot cover with our list.

Unlike the 3rd quarter against Collingwood, St Kilda kicked for goal like they had 3 legs..all of them connected to the opposite foot.

If anyone can explain how such an experienced team switches off for a half a game every week, has no gears or adjustments within quarters then they probably should be coach as that is why we have never been top 4 in home and away under Brad.

 

[niko11]

THe only example I can think of where a coach was given more time to win a flag was Malthouse at Collingwood and in his first few years he made back to back grandfinals.

Yep so at the end of the day even if the coach goes first the players will then be held accountable to the new coach and be delisted if need be..

 

[Only Forwards]

More than happy for us to pay out his contract at the end of year under the right circumstances.. my original comments were based on people calling for his sacking after the second quarter against St Kilda but like you said its goes deeper and a change of coach may be the best thing because 46 players wont ever be replaced.

Calls to sack him are pretty silly, that ain't how we as a club roll.

Yep so at the end of the day even if the coach goes first the players will then be held accountable to the new coach and be delisted if need be..

And that costs us time.

The thing that gives me the shits the most about where we are is that we just keep pushing back when it is that we will be the top team. There are theads on here right now that tried to predict the future back in 2010,2011, 2012 and all forcast us to be some sort of goliath and yet here we are with a list that is somewhere near finals standard but no real threat. With 1 bloke who is absolute elite in his position and a whole lot of others who can be on there day but often shoose not to be.

Getting a new coach in probably kills the rest of Boomers career, Probably Dish's too. Who knows about Wells or Dal Santo. It shift the timeline back further for "when we should be good" and increases the likelihood that we dip down the ladder a bit.

The clock is counting up and we are on 16 and I hate it, and the more we push the time line back the bigger that number gets, the bigger that number gets the more jaded I become that we cannot close the gap on the best teams.

 

[B4Bear]

Yes we have won 6, but we can't bury anyone. We keep fading out or not turning up, there is still no movement to stem run ons scott is not even reactive let alone proactive.

Incorrect and untrue.

To say that teams sometimes getting a run on is fading out only holds true if their is no opposition team.

Teams have patches where they play well.

The Bulldogs failed to score a goal in the 3rd quarter yesterday. Do you count that as a fadeout, or the fact that Melbourne played well.

Same with our loss to Collingwood. We didn't fade out of the game so much as they stepped up a gear and we were unable to stop their momentum for a large period of time.

Complaints of fadeouts are dismissing the role of the opposition team, and are being used here as a vehicle to scapegoat Scott.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Incorrect and untrue.

To say that teams sometimes getting a run on is fading out only holds true if their is no opposition team.

Teams have patches where they play well.

The Bulldogs failed to score a goal in the 3rd quarter yesterday. Do you count that as a fadeout, or the fact that Melbourne played well.

Same with our loss to Collingwood. We didn't fade out of the game so much as they stepped up a gear and we were unable to stop their momentum for a large period of time.

Complaints of fadeouts are dismissing the role of the opposition team, and are being used here as a vehicle to scapegoat Scott.

Not really.

I did a bit of a comparison recently and we fade out more than other teams and concede greater margins over those fade outs. Can't find the details though.

 

[Royal Flush]

Do people think if we played the way we played in the 3rd quarter for 4 quarters that we'd win the premiership?

Maybe not, but it's a lot more satisfying knowing that the effort was 100%. Atleast then you can focus on recruiting and development strategies.
Having mental and discipline issues year in year out is so frustrating to watch

 

[niko11]

Calls to sack him are pretty silly, that ain't how we as a club roll.



And that costs us time.

The thing that gives me the shits the most about where we are is that we just keep pushing back when it is that we will be the top team. There are theads on here right now that tried to predict the future back in 2010,2011, 2012 and all forcast us to be some sort of goliath and yet here we are with a list that is somewhere near finals standard but no real threat. With 1 bloke who is absolute elite in his position and a whole lot of others who can be on there day but often shoose not to be.

Getting a new coach in probably kills the rest of Boomers career, Probably Dish's too. Who knows about Wells or Dal Santo. It shift the timeline back further for "when we should be good" and increases the likelihood that we dip down the ladder a bit.

The clock is counting up and we are on 16 and I hate it, and the more we push the time line back the bigger that number gets, the bigger that number gets the more jaded I become that we cannot close the gap on the best teams.

Fair call mate but i honestly believe this group of players need a new voice to shake the place up abit with new ideas and a fresh start.
And if that means delisting a few of the older players regardless of their names and outside expectations then so be it.
I don't buy into this the clock is ticking and we only have a few years to pinch a Flag philosophy personally.
Why? Because over the years i'v seen what change can do to a club.
What i'm saying is maybe this group does'nt have it in them to win a flag. And maybe going one step back is the only way to get the flag in 3-4 years!
U know the one step back three steps forward saying..
I don't have the answer but i'll stick with my beliefs that things aren't always what they seem to be and i'v seen this in my own life experience and watching footy..

I remember in the 94-95 when North lost two Prelims and at the time i thought we were never going to win the big one yet we went on to play in the next 3/4 G.F's and win 2 of them....

 

[arden station]

Incorrect and untrue.

To say that teams sometimes getting a run on is fading out only holds true if their is no opposition team.

Teams have patches where they play well.

The Bulldogs failed to score a goal in the 3rd quarter yesterday. Do you count that as a fadeout, or the fact that Melbourne played well.

Same with our loss to Collingwood. We didn't fade out of the game so much as they stepped up a gear and we were unable to stop their momentum for a large period of time.

Complaints of fadeouts are dismissing the role of the opposition team, and are being used here as a vehicle to scapegoat Scott.

I would just ask that the coach has a good understanding of what actually happened during this latest fade out and acts on it. Instead he wanted to blame the forward line when it was clearly the midfield that were getting killed and not working hard enough to help the backline get the pill out. He just seems to have blind spots.

 

[naturally north]

Exciting times for the haters and lovers am fairly sure you peeps know where I sit. We head into our last three games of H&A with an impressive 12 wins. Ten of those of course against teams outside the eight and two against teams currently occupying top eight positions. If the alarm bells aren't ringing, give it about three weeks.

Oh something Brad said a couple of weeks ago- a one point win is as good as a 100 point win. Probably explains our lack of killer instinct, we smell blood and head to the sanitary section at Coles.

 

[Zondor]

Oh something Brad said a couple of weeks ago- a one point win is as good as a 100 point win. Probably explains our lack of killer instinct, we smell blood and head to the sanitary section at Coles.

Whats wrong with that? :stern look

 

[Tas]

Starting to think so Tas,These guys are grown men & need to be responsible for their own actions.
If they don't care enough now they never will IMO.

How often do we see Brad drag someone for making a howler of a brain fade or doing something undisciplined?

How often has someone who almost weekly makes the same basic mistakes keep getting a gig the following week despite not improving on their glarring weakness?

How often are insipid performances rewarded with a game the following week?

For the most part, the players have become the players the coaching department have allowed to become. We didn't set the bar high enough for discipline, or skill or work rate. How often has boomer or ziebell fronted a press conference saying the insipid footy was not indicative of the club and then a week or two or three weeks later we are serving up the same crap?

The buck stops with the coach, at the end of the day he makes the call about who puts the jumper on and who represents the club.

We all want our club to be great again and bring home flags after an entertaining season, but on what we have produced this season we are light years off it. We would need a Bradbury of epic proportions to have a hope in hell.

 

[Kanga1996]

How often do we see Brad drag someone for making a howler of a brain fade or doing something undisciplined?

How often has someone who almost weekly makes the same basic mistakes keep getting a gig the following week despite not improving on their glarring weakness?

How often are insipid performances rewarded with a game the following week?

For the most part, the players have become the players the coaching department have allowed to become. We didn't set the bar high enough for discipline, or skill or work rate. How often has boomer or ziebell fronted a press conference saying the insipid footy was not indicative of the club and then a week or two or three weeks later we are serving up the same crap?

The buck stops with the coach, at the end of the day he makes the call about who puts the jumper on and who represents the club.

We all want our club to be great again and bring home flags after an entertaining season, but on what we have produced this season we are light years off it. We would need a Bradbury of epic proportions to have a hope in hell.

I don’t disagree ...So it’s actually the boards fault because they are the only ones who can change the situation. We should be calling for the board to go as well... Slightly OTT but where does it end ?

 

[Tas]

I don’t disagree ...So it’s actually the boards fault because they are the only ones who can change the situation. We should be calling for the board to go as well... Slightly OTT but where does it end ?

It ends with supporters, we 'theoretically' elect board members, who choose a coach (who set the standard of performance) and hire experts to recruit and develop players. Ultimate it ends with us. If we boot out the board or people stop becoming members or don't attend games it is a reflection on the board's effectiveness in their role.

Not being able to attract much other than die hards to games is the canary in the coal mine, will our board respond or not to the warning sign is really up to them and their capacity to be good board members. If they force members to act it never ends well.

 

[Horizons_00]

How often do we see Brad drag someone for making a howler of a brain fade or doing something undisciplined?

How often has someone who almost weekly makes the same basic mistakes keep getting a gig the following week despite not improving on their glarring weakness?

How often are insipid performances rewarded with a game the following week?

For the most part, the players have become the players the coaching department have allowed to become. We didn't set the bar high enough for discipline, or skill or work rate. How often has boomer or ziebell fronted a press conference saying the insipid footy was not indicative of the club and then a week or two or three weeks later we are serving up the same crap?

The buck stops with the coach, at the end of the day he makes the call about who puts the jumper on and who represents the club.

We all want our club to be great again and bring home flags after an entertaining season, but on what we have produced this season we are light years off it. We would need a Bradbury of epic proportions to have a hope in hell.

Spot on!

 

[scooby1279]

we should be judging in the next 3 weeks as anything can happen but i for one expected us to be in a top 4 position by years end with a big chance of at least making the granny yet we are fighting just to make the 8. We shall see..

 

[Mordecai]

With 3 clubs now searching for a coach I suspect Brad will be staying until at least the end of next season.

 

[scooby1279]

With 3 clubs now searching for a coach I suspect Brad will be staying until at least the end of next season.

why Essendon or Adelaide may go after Brad and sign him for 3-4 years. Job security.

 

[Mordecai]

why Essendon or Adelaide may go after Brad and sign him for 3-4 years. Job security.

I think this is a strong possibility.

 

[danj]

I think this is a strong possibility.

can only hope

 

[shintemaster]

Not really.

I did a bit of a comparison recently and we fade out more than other teams and concede greater margins over those fade outs. Can't find the details though.

Don't go bringing logic and facts into a bigfooty discussion.

Might as well bring a cucumber to a gunfight. #Twinkletoes #donglejoke