Cameron Green

[Adelaide Hawk]

We've had about 6 "best since Ponting's."

I've followed cricket for more years than I care to admit. We all hope and pray that Green can live up to the accolades being bestowed upon him. He's obviously a talent. However, I'm going to wait for him to cement his spot in the Test team and see how he goes before getting carried away. Over the years I've seen way too many "Next big things" burst onto the scene and then just die without a whimper over the years. I've lost count of the "Next Bradmans" who never went on with it.

 

[DaRick]

Green was going very hard at the outswing yesterday. The conditions were tricky and he was in early but would have been nice to see him adjust. Siddle and Bird were bowling really good spells on a perfect length.

It was actually a very good delivery by Bird TBF. Easily good enough to dispatch a quality international batsman IMO.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

chappell really talks some bullshit doesn't he.

Every player we have rushed into the test team on minimal shield performances has struggled. The only successes in the past 20 years are Warner and Clarke. Everyone else did significant time at shield level.

The interesting part is Greg Chappell himself spent several seasons honing his craft for South Australia before making his Test debut in 1970-71 at 22. Although there were calls he could have picked earlier, I think the selectors got it spot on with Chappell.

 

[DaRick]

The interesting part is Greg Chappell himself spent several seasons honing his craft for South Australia before making his Test debut in 1970-71 at 22. Although there were calls he could have picked earlier, I think the selectors got it spot on with Chappell.

You're much more experienced in these matters than I am, but I reckon that Greg Chappell was so gifted that he would have been initially successful even if he was picked earlier.

Form slumps and injury are bigger concerns to me than initial performances when picking young guns, because mentally/physically they haven't fully developed.

 

[Belnakor]

Renshaw is a good example of picking someone too early.

Chapell loves talking about Ponting being a massive talent because his record is slightly better. So he can keep his claim to being the 2nd to bradman. Hates talking about Smith.

 

[DaRick]

Renshaw is a good example of picking someone too early.

Chapell loves talking about Ponting being a massive talent because his record is slightly better. So he can keep his claim to being the 2nd to bradman. Hates talking about Smith.

Renshaw followed up good initial performances with a serious form slump from which he's never really recovered.

But yes, I don't consider Greg Chappell's impact on Australian cricket to be a net positive.

EDIT: Post-retirement, obviously.

 

[toml]

Chappell just said he thinks there should only be 4 players over 25 in each shield side. I'm speechless, what a pleb.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Chappell just said he thinks there should only be 4 players over 25 in each shield side. I'm speechless, what a pleb.

Really? Does he not realise we have an u/23 comp?

Battle weary, seasoned cricketers is exactly what Shield needs.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

You're much more experienced in these matters than I am, but I reckon that Greg Chappell was so gifted that he would have been initially successful even if he was picked earlier.

Form slumps and injury are bigger concerns to me than initial performances when picking young guns, because mentally/physically they haven't fully developed.

Nobody can ever say they know these things for sure. My opinion is that Greg Chappell was saved the humiliation of the South Africa tour where Australia was destroyed 4-0 by the likes of Procter, Pollock, Trimborn etc. Experienced Test batsman such as Ian Chappell, Lawry, Redpath, Sheahan, Stackpole and Walters were torn to shreds. Had Greg Chappell been greeted by that baptism of fire, it may have had a negative effect, who knows?

Instead, he went off to New Zealand with the Australian 2nd XI, played 3 unofficial "Tests" against a more gentle attack and averaged 60 in 4 innings. I think this was a better preparation, but as I said, nobody will know for sure. Dennis Lillee also cut his teeth on this tour.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Chappell just said he thinks there should only be 4 players over 25 in each shield side. I'm speechless, what a pleb.

He'd be happy with the Redbacks then, we wouldn't have 4 players with batting averages over 25

 

[DaRick]

Nobody can ever say they know these things for sure. My opinion is that Greg Chappell was saved the humiliation of the South Africa tour where Australia was destroyed 4-0 by the likes of Procter, Pollock, Trimborn etc. Experienced Test batsman such as Ian Chappell, Lawry, Redpath, Sheahan, Stackpole and Walters were torn to shreds. Had Greg Chappell been greeted by that baptism of fire, it may have had a negative effect, who knows?

Instead, he went off to New Zealand with the Australian 2nd XI, played 3 unofficial "Tests" against a more gentle attack and averaged 60 in 4 innings. I think this was a better preparation, but as I said, nobody will know for sure. Dennis Lillee also cut his teeth on this tour.

Oh don't get me wrong, I would agree that it's better to debut young talent against weak opposition if at all possible.

Although that 1970 squad was definitely exhausted by the Indian tour, whereas Greg Chappell wouldn't have been.

In retrospect, the way that 1969-70 squad was treated by the ACB probably sowed the seeds for WSC. Having a side tour two demanding countries in a row is just asking for trouble.

 

[toml]

Really? Does he not realise we have an u/23 comp?

Battle weary, seasoned cricketers is exactly what Shield needs.

The under 23 quotas in the 2nd XI was Chappell's idea and that competition has been a disaster ever since. As far as I aware they ditched the 'Futures League' name and the quotas as soon as Chappell retired. It's just the Toyota 2nd XI Competition now.

 

[big_e]

ODI Cap No. 230 – Cameron Green

Cap 30: Alan Turner, 6 Matches (1975)
Cap 80: David Boon, 181 Matches (1984-1995)
Cap 130: Andy Bichel, 67 Matches (1997-2004)
Cap 180: Graham Manou, 4 Matches (2009)

Alphabetically between
Shaun Graf, 11 Matches (1980-1981)
Brad Haddin, 126 Matches (2001-2015)

Other Camerons to play:
Cameron White, 91 Matches (2005-2018)

Other Greens to play:
None

Other CGs to play:
None

Last 10 Debutants from Western Australia
228. Ashton Turner (2019)
227. Jason Behrendorff (2019)
226. D’Arcy Short (2018)
224. Jhye Richardson (2018)
222. Andrew Tye (2018)
221. Hilton Cartwright (2017)
211. Joel Paris (2016)
208. Ashton Agar (2015)
204. Nathan Coulter-Nile (2013)
190. Mitchell Marsh (2011)

Six of the last ten ODI debutants from Western Australia (seven if you include Stoinis, who was playing for Victoria at the time), three from the same club (Subiaco-Floreat), and four if you add Stoinis, who plays for them now.

 

[The Passenger]

Renshaw followed up good initial performances with a serious form slump from which he's never really recovered.

But yes, I don't consider Greg Chappell's impact on Australian cricket to be a net positive.

EDIT: Post-retirement, obviously.

Sadly, It's getting to the point where you may not need to add the "post-retirement" clarification.

Which is an indictment given his deeds in the middle had him in such positive territory upon hanging up the batting gloves.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Didn't immediately dominate on debut in his non-preferred format. Career over. [/matchday thread]

 

[Ok Boomer]

I think we will need to show some patience with Green in the limited over formats. Perhaps more than what we would give others.

 

[theyellowsash]

I think we will need to show some patience with Green in the limited over formats. Perhaps more than what we would give others.

certainly more than would be afforded to someone from vic/sa/tas

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I think we will need to show some patience with Green in the limited over formats. Perhaps more than what we would give others.

I don’t think he’s in the best XV to be honset. I doubt he’d be picked if the series was on the line

Red ball cricket is another matter

 

[Ok Boomer]

I don’t think he’s in the best XV to be honset. I doubt he’d be picked if the series was on the line

Red ball cricket is another matter

I don’t think he is anywhere near being a limited overs regular yet, but he will probably be picked in spite of this and will be a bit up and down. As long as it isn’t blatantly holding the team back I don’t see a problem with it, especially in a match like today’s.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Chappell just said he thinks there should only be 4 players over 25 in each shield side. I'm speechless, what a pleb.

He's been saying that stuff for years

 

[Belnakor]

I don’t think he’s in the best XV to be honset. I doubt he’d be picked if the series was on the line

Red ball cricket is another matter

between world cups we basically use the ODI team to blood guys like Green. Wouldn't expect him to play much ODI in the future.

 

[Belnakor]

Didn't immediately dominate on debut in his non-preferred format. Career over. [/matchday thread]

i thought it was interesting Kolhi went after him. The deliveries he hit for 4 weren't that bad. Obviously the indian team see him as a talent.

 

[Shiv]

i thought it was interesting Kolhi went after him. The deliveries he hit for 4 weren't that bad. Obviously the indian team see him as a talent.

Any side will go after a new bowler, especially a part timer. It doesn't mean the Indian team sees him as a talent...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

i thought it was interesting Kolhi went after him. The deliveries he hit for 4 weren't that bad. Obviously the indian team see him as a talent.

Biggest positive was how he bounced back from being hit for 4, bowled a brilliant over to Kholi, beat the bat 3 times.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

i thought it was interesting Kolhi went after him. The deliveries he hit for 4 weren't that bad. Obviously the indian team see him as a talent.

I'd assum

Any side will go after a new bowler, especially a part timer. It doesn't mean the Indian team sees him as a talent...

I was going to write that. Debut players are bound to get targetted.