Borscht Mat said:
An AFL career. And I don't think Glenelg could match what he'd be earning in his third year in the AFL.
Using Deledio for example, if he plays 22 games next season, he'll earn upwards of $300,000. And potentially much more.
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Can a player refuse to go to a club after being drafted by them?
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An AFL career. And I don't think Glenelg could match what he'd be earning in his third year in the AFL.
Using Deledio for example, if he plays 22 games next season, he'll earn upwards of $300,000. And potentially much more.
There seem to be a number of hypothetical discussions going on here, so I will try to comment on as many as possible.
I'm not going to discuss the rights or wrongs of the F/S rule, that is a matter for a different thread.
Gibbs has said that he is a North Melbourne supporter, but would rather stay at home in SA where his family is (name me one potential draftee who WOULDN'T prefer to stay in his home state). He's also said that he is prepared to play anywhere if staying in SA isn't an option, so the rest of this is probably pointless. Claims that he WILL return home after his initial contract expires are more than likely based on little more than wishful thinking - Watts aside, very few draftees return home after only 2 years.
Standing Out of the Draft
It has been suggested that the Morton brothers and Gibbs may choose to stand out of the 2006 draft. They are entirely within their rights to do so. There is no rule (nor could there possibly be any rule) stating that a player MUST nominate for the draft simply because they are able to.
It has also been suggested that clubs would be penalised as a result of these potential draftees deciding not to nominate for the draft. Given that the decision whether or not to nominate belongs to the draftee, it would be impossible to penalise the clubs involved.
I have no doubt that this situation would result in a major scandal and the AFL would conduct a thorough investigation. The only way a club could be penalised would be if the AFL were to find evidence proving that the club had induced the potential draftee to stand out of the draft (as this would constitute draft tampering). Without any such evidence, however, the AFL would be powerless to act.
Why would a player be likely to refuse to nominate for the draft? The AFL changes the F/S rule like most of us change our underwear. There is speculation in today's newspapers that they are now looking at reducing the minimum game requirement from 100 games to 50. Presumably that would result in an equivalent reduction in the number of SANFL/WAFL games required to qualify for selection by Adelaide/Port/WC/Freo. Were this to occur, there is every chance that these players might be eligible for F/S selection in 2007 but not 2006.
What rights does a PLAYER have once they are drafted?
When a player nominates for the draft, they agree to be bound to the drafting club for a period of two years. This means that they cannot play for any other AFL club during that period.
However, there is no law preventing a draftee from refusing to sign a contract with the drafting club. Should they refuse to sign the contract, then they are excluded from the AFL for the two year period, but there is nothing to stop them from playing with the team of their choice in a lower competition (eg WAFL/SANFL/VFL).
This happened on a regular basis in the 1980s, with many SA based players preferring to continue in the SANFL rather than play in the (then) VFL. These players have been listed elsewhere in this thread.
Once the two-year exclusive tie to the drafting club has ended, the player would be free to nominate for the draft the same as any other uncontracted player.
What rights does a CLUB have once they have drafted a player?
The club has exclusive rights to the drafted player for two years.
If a player refuses to sign a contract, then the position they occupy on the team list is effectively wasted for a minimum of 12 months.
At the end of 12 months, I'm fairly sure they would have the rights to trade the player (if an appropriate trade can be arranged). If, at the end of the first 12 months, the player still refused to sign a contract, then I am sure the AFL would allow them to draft a new player to replace the one who failed to sign on. This would not, however, allow the unsigned player to play for anyone else until their 2-year period had expired.
Rules on draft tampering
Firstly, any player is allowed to put a price on their head. This is not limited to experienced players nominating for the pre-season draft as has been indicated elsewhere. However, very few (if any) rookies do it as it is would be perceived (rightly) as an extremely arrogant act and may well result in them being ostracised by both teammates and opponents.
If they are carefu, players can indicate during draft camp interviews that their preference to remain in their home state, but they would have to word things very carefully. Once teams are aware of their position, it is up to them to decide whether or not to draft the player based on the risk of them turning into a "homing pigeon".
However, stating openly that they will only play for team X (as per Brett Chalmers) would be deemed to be draft tampering and would likely attract a similar penalty to that handed to Chalmers.
These answers aren't definitive, they're based solely on my understanding of the AFL draft rules.
I'm not going to discuss the rights or wrongs of the F/S rule, that is a matter for a different thread.
Gibbs has said that he is a North Melbourne supporter, but would rather stay at home in SA where his family is (name me one potential draftee who WOULDN'T prefer to stay in his home state). He's also said that he is prepared to play anywhere if staying in SA isn't an option, so the rest of this is probably pointless. Claims that he WILL return home after his initial contract expires are more than likely based on little more than wishful thinking - Watts aside, very few draftees return home after only 2 years.
Standing Out of the Draft
It has been suggested that the Morton brothers and Gibbs may choose to stand out of the 2006 draft. They are entirely within their rights to do so. There is no rule (nor could there possibly be any rule) stating that a player MUST nominate for the draft simply because they are able to.
It has also been suggested that clubs would be penalised as a result of these potential draftees deciding not to nominate for the draft. Given that the decision whether or not to nominate belongs to the draftee, it would be impossible to penalise the clubs involved.
I have no doubt that this situation would result in a major scandal and the AFL would conduct a thorough investigation. The only way a club could be penalised would be if the AFL were to find evidence proving that the club had induced the potential draftee to stand out of the draft (as this would constitute draft tampering). Without any such evidence, however, the AFL would be powerless to act.
Why would a player be likely to refuse to nominate for the draft? The AFL changes the F/S rule like most of us change our underwear. There is speculation in today's newspapers that they are now looking at reducing the minimum game requirement from 100 games to 50. Presumably that would result in an equivalent reduction in the number of SANFL/WAFL games required to qualify for selection by Adelaide/Port/WC/Freo. Were this to occur, there is every chance that these players might be eligible for F/S selection in 2007 but not 2006.
What rights does a PLAYER have once they are drafted?
When a player nominates for the draft, they agree to be bound to the drafting club for a period of two years. This means that they cannot play for any other AFL club during that period.
However, there is no law preventing a draftee from refusing to sign a contract with the drafting club. Should they refuse to sign the contract, then they are excluded from the AFL for the two year period, but there is nothing to stop them from playing with the team of their choice in a lower competition (eg WAFL/SANFL/VFL).
This happened on a regular basis in the 1980s, with many SA based players preferring to continue in the SANFL rather than play in the (then) VFL. These players have been listed elsewhere in this thread.
Once the two-year exclusive tie to the drafting club has ended, the player would be free to nominate for the draft the same as any other uncontracted player.
What rights does a CLUB have once they have drafted a player?
The club has exclusive rights to the drafted player for two years.
If a player refuses to sign a contract, then the position they occupy on the team list is effectively wasted for a minimum of 12 months.
At the end of 12 months, I'm fairly sure they would have the rights to trade the player (if an appropriate trade can be arranged). If, at the end of the first 12 months, the player still refused to sign a contract, then I am sure the AFL would allow them to draft a new player to replace the one who failed to sign on. This would not, however, allow the unsigned player to play for anyone else until their 2-year period had expired.
Rules on draft tampering
Firstly, any player is allowed to put a price on their head. This is not limited to experienced players nominating for the pre-season draft as has been indicated elsewhere. However, very few (if any) rookies do it as it is would be perceived (rightly) as an extremely arrogant act and may well result in them being ostracised by both teammates and opponents.
If they are carefu, players can indicate during draft camp interviews that their preference to remain in their home state, but they would have to word things very carefully. Once teams are aware of their position, it is up to them to decide whether or not to draft the player based on the risk of them turning into a "homing pigeon".
However, stating openly that they will only play for team X (as per Brett Chalmers) would be deemed to be draft tampering and would likely attract a similar penalty to that handed to Chalmers.
These answers aren't definitive, they're based solely on my understanding of the AFL draft rules.
Vader said:
Good post, but im not sure this is correct, dont the AFL set down how much draftees have to be paid for the first 2 years? First rounders get so much, 2nd rounders a little less and so forth......
I thought the only way to pay a draftee extra was (as it is assumed the lions offered MM) to offer an massive 3rd year payment and basically back end the deal. As you said big risk if a third year kid is on massive $$$$
kimirocks06 said:
Jason McCartney played the system for money and sent a letter to all clubs saying that he would only play with Collingwood.
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Young bloke on our list a few years ago Clancy Rutherford (fromer WA U18's skipper) sent a letter out to all clubs saying he would only play for a Perth based team. Unfortunately no club drafted him but he got rookie listed by The Eagles yet never played a game. I'd think most young players would be willing to play AFL football anywhere because it is the chance of a lifetime and if they are truly homesick they can always run off to mumma at the end of their 2 year contract (e.g. Fergus Watts, Daniel McConnell).
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The guy will just be happy to be drafted and play Footy by the sounds of it yet people are assuming that he has a bee in his bonnet and will do anything to stay in Adelaide.
I reckon alot more people on Bigfooty are losing sleep over this than Gibbs is.
The guy will just be happy to be drafted and play Footy by the sounds of it yet people are assuming that he has a bee in his bonnet and will do anything to stay in Adelaide.
I reckon alot more people on Bigfooty are losing sleep over this than Gibbs is.
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TheBrownDog said:
Im sure you are right. I'm sure he would prefer to stay in Adelaide given the choice but these kids are just happy to get drafted. Then, quite often by the time a home state based club is in a position to trade for them to come back home, there lives are established in the other state and they are entrenched in the club they are at. Has happened numerous times to SA players who went to Vic.....a few went home towards the end of their career (jarman wangas) but most stay and a lot end up staying after their footy days are over coz that's where their lives now are.
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ThatThis said:Correction
Collingwood Drafted Chalmers the same year North drafted Pyman and McKay was drafted by Carlton.
Chalmers was found to have tampered witht he draft rules because he sent a letter to eash AFL Club stating he wanted to play only for Collingwood. Pyman and McKay put prices on their head, and those clubs were fined. Chalmers was banned for 2-3 years from playing with Collingwood i think, and was selected by Adelaide as a priority selection in one of the drafts, or zone selection
Actually Chalmers missed 1 year and was traded to adelaide by Collingwood for one Brenton Sanderson who later became a great Geelong player. Bit like Todd Curley. Thank God we didnt have to keep Chalmers he was useless.
Vader is absolutely correct.rmbuc2 said:
Shannon Grant, Anthony Rocca and Darren Gasper all put a price on their head in the hope Sydney wouldn't draft them.
Sydney did, then they all left. Sydney paid top dollar for the privilege of training other clubs 18 yo's
No they have to go to the club that drafted them.
Apparantly alot of TAC boys aren't too keen on getting drafted to Sydney.Some say it takes a while before you get a fair go but as history has shown some high picks have gone back to Melbourne clubs after the mandatory two year contract is up.
Apparantly alot of TAC boys aren't too keen on getting drafted to Sydney.Some say it takes a while before you get a fair go but as history has shown some high picks have gone back to Melbourne clubs after the mandatory two year contract is up.
The player who did not go to Essendon was actually Darren Smith of Port Adelaide. A classy centre half-forward, he kicked four goals in the Magpies’ brutal annihilation of North Adelaide in the 1989 Grand Final – when their defence played so hard and with so much pressure the Rooster forwards did not have a clean shot at goal all game. North Adelaide’s 1-8 (14) was the third-lowest SANFL score since 1915, and Hawthorn or Geelong would probably have done little better the way Port»s defence played.
Brett Chalmers, when drafted by Richmond, steadfastly refused to play for them. The Tigers tried to trade him to St. Kilda, but Chalmers made it absolute that he would never play for the Saints either.
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Decent bump, how did you find it?
True - but much like Brisbane with Buckley, they made the statement, and did also make the other clubs bleed for Rocca and Grant. (Not Gaspar, who walked into the PSD).
I used Google.
It is actually a firm memory for me how much difficulty Sydney and Brisbane had using the draft to get the players needed to be competitive before Super League turned many rugby league fans onto the AFL. No player from the southern or western states wanted to play for the Swans or the Bears when they had the option of getting more money for less uncompetitive teams closer to home, and the higher living costs and league-set ticket prices made it impossible for them to adjust prices to maximise profits and give them more hope of actually luring players like the Jarmans and Chris McDermott.
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