Can Ball say no to Melbourne?

[brockbruiser]

How has 2 years of tanking worked for Collingwood so far?
If you don't know what I'm talking about, go look up Fraser, O'Bree, Thomas and Pendlebury on the AFL Draft pages.

Collingwood are good enough to make the Grand Final, just not good enough to win a Premiership.

The year we were able to secure Thomas and Pendlebury was a disastrous year for injuries, if you look at our injury list that year we had a terrible year, which also gave us the opportunity to blood alot of young kids, who have now proven themselves and gone on to be good footballers....

 

[demon48]

The year we were able to secure Thomas and Pendlebury was a disastrous year for injuries, if you look at our injury list that year we had a terrible year, which also gave us the opportunity to blood alot of young kids, who have now proven themselves and gone on to be good footballers....

I'll pay that one. A lot like us this year. At one stage only had 26 fit players.
Mainly just throwing that back at the Pies supporters who try to throw "tanking" claims at us.

 

[giantsully]

I'll pay that one. A lot like us this year. At one stage only had 26 fit players.
Mainly just throwing that back at the Pies supporters who try to throw "tanking" claims at us.

Bollox - unlike Melbourne, the Pies had just played off in two consecutive GFs. Melbourne are shite - the Pies tanked. No comparison whatsoever.

 

[KissStephanie]

Okay firstly i want it written here KissStephanie if you are wrong about Ball coming to Melbourne then you can never post on the AFL board again, is that a deal? You seem pretty certain

What on earth are you on about? Show me a post of mine where I stated that I am certain of such a thing. I have said that I believe Collingwood is still Luke Ball's club of preference, and that I trust the person that I have spoken to about that. I have also stated that I believe that if he wants to get to Collingwood, then he will. He can nominate unrealistic terms that will prevent other clubs from paying above his worth, and he can legally re-negotiate those terms within the laws after he has been selected by his club of choice as I have previously shown. I also don't believe that a club will select him if he does not agree to join them beforehand, just as I don't believe another club will select Daniel Bradshaw since he has stated that Sydney is his club of choice.

Why is it that so many people have difficulty reading the words that I type? It's quite astonishing to me actually because I have never encountered so many occurrences of people twisting my words to suit themselves. I don't know if you wear glasses or not, but maybe they're not strong enough. You need a pair with thick lenses like these...

But unless you spoke to him directly (which i doubt) this is a 2nd hand source (at best), so how can you be so sure?

I feel confident that Ball's club of preference is still Collingwood, and I am even more confident that he will get there in the National Draft if he wants to badly enough.

Secondly grow up, you are the only one saying that St Kilda changed their mind.

Excuse me? What a load of bullshit! There has been a number of people in various threads that have stated that St.Kilda changed their mind and screwed Ball, and it was also reported in The Age which I has posted previously more than once. They requested Tyson Goldsack and pick #30 on the Tuesday of trade week. On the Friday, Collingwood reluctantly agreed because Goldsack did not want to make the move unless there were no other options, but St.Kilda had flip-flopped and changed their mind! Pull your head in and wake-up to yourself.

When Collingwood came back, they were obviously panicking as there wasnt much time left of trade week.

There has not been one single report regarding trade week suggesting such a thing. If you however have a source that shows this, then please share it. If you can't, then I assume you made it up of course. St.Kilda requested Goldsack and pick #30, and then thy changed their mind, even though Ross Liar had stated that he will move players on if they aren't up for the challenge of playing for St.Kilda.

The issue is that St. Kilda wasnt dumb, if collingwood really wanted him they should pay what he deserves.

Of course St.Kilda were dumb, and they treated a respected former captain like shit! Collingwood actually agreed to the trade that St.Kilda had requested, but they changed their mind. Why didn't Melbourne show any interest in him leading up to trade week? Do you hypocritically feel that Collingwood should have offered more than St.Kilda initially requested, but Melbourne should get him for free?

This has been said countless times, by everyone but you, the question was put to Collingwood by Tuesday and not responded to either later thursday or Friday.

To suggest that I am the only person that feels this way is a complete lie. You only have to look through the many threads regarding this failed trade to see that is not the case, but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story now. You just don't have any credibility of course because you have just shown that you make things up to suit yourself.

Sooo you can continue through this uphill battle to convince everyone else, or you can move on from saying St. Kilda changed their mind. Read the facts, you seem to have endless sources

I haven't been trying to convince anybody at all! I couldn't care less what some faceless bloggers that barrack for either Melbourne or St.Kilda believe or not. It's not like these people are prepared to accept the truth, and they have shown numerous times that they completely lack the ability to be the slightest bit objective, as you have also shown in this post.

I am just sharing what had occurred regarding this trade, and most objective supporters agree that St.Kilda were at fault for this failed trade of course. It forced Luke Ball to head to Etihad Stadium to confront the coach about the hold-up for goodness sake! He knew that Collingwood had agreed to St.Kilda's request even if you refuse to accept that fact.

Perhaps Luke Ball should have a meeting with Collingwood's next coach and ask him whether it's a good idea to go to Collingwood to be "in a premiership team".

Who are you referring to? Nathan Buckley is the next coach, and he wanted to join Collingwood because he preferred not to travel every second week, and he wanted to live in Melbourne. I have never heard or read that he joined Collingwood to play a premiership team, and it's certainly not in his book, but since you mentioned it, then that must mean you can prove it. I would be interested in reading it.

I ask who has displayed more wishful thinking? Chris Connolly or Kiss Stephanie? I think that's pretty obvious.

I agree! Chris Connolly was completely out of line stating that Luke Ball can only play for St.Kilda or Melbourne, and it was a clear case of wishful thinking! It is not up to him to decide at all, and I'm sure that Ball is annoyed by what he said. The sooner free agency is introduced, the better, so that clubs such as St.Kilda and Melbourne will stop trying to dictate which clubs that players can join. Dean Bailey has already stated that Melbourne won't be using a National Draft pick on Luke Ball, and he has also stated that they will not select a player that does not agree to join them beforehand, so I don't believe that any club will step in the way of a player trying to get to his preferred club.

 

[Pumbi]

Steph, sincerely, it is examples of patent invention such as the folllowing which have thoroughly discredited you on this topic:



Unbacked, unproven, unsubstantiated - how can you possibly speak as to what Luke Ball might personally think about anything, one way or the other?



Ludicrous and laughable. Honestly - do you really believe this?

You have no evidence with which to back up such a claim - and it is illogical in the extreme. Why on Earth would a player request a meeting with a club if he somehow didn't want to meet with them?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

This is not fact, or even close to it, this is your opinion, and it strikes me as a severely misguided and ill-conceived one, to say the least.

The fact is if Ball had decided that he wanted not to play for us, he would have publicly stated his intention to nominate for the ND already.

Unless he does that, or nominates for the ND when the time comes - and it seems increasingly unlikely that he will, I think, especially since I doubt Ball will be delisted by October 31 - then your claims on this topic are just coloured bubbles.

Hey KS, just thought i'd give you a heads up. I think you may have missed this post when you posted your latest set of responses?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Defolt Woody and Demon98 arent on the ignore list yet.

 

[Brock Machine]

Chris Connolly was completely out of line stating that Luke Ball can only play for St.Kilda or Melbourne,

How the hell is he out of line? FCS, he is positioning to get the best deal he can for the Melbourne Football Club as the GM of football.

and it was a clear case of wishful thinking!

Wishful thinking!!!!!!!We have pick #1 in the PSD and 4 picks before Collingwood.

Fact, if he wants to move ANYWHERE, he has to deal with Melbourne first.

 

[Dez!]

I agree! Chris Connolly was completely out of line stating that Luke Ball can only play for St.Kilda or Melbourne, and it was a clear case of wishful thinking! It is not up to him to decide at all, and I'm sure that Ball is annoyed by what he said. The sooner free agency is introduced, the better, so that clubs such as St.Kilda and Melbourne will stop trying to dictate which clubs that players can join. Dean Bailey has already stated that Melbourne won't be using a National Draft pick on Luke Ball, and he has also stated that they will not select a player that does not agree to join them beforehand, so I don't believe that any club will step in the way of a player trying to get to his preferred club.

Bolded points are where you are talking even more shit than usual, you've misquoted Connolly completely.

I'll quote Connolly correctly seeing as you are incapable of doing so.

"We're confident he'll remain at St Kilda or choose Melbourne because there's no other real option as far as we can see."

He is saying from Melbourne's point of view they can't see him being able to get anywhere else.

"We can trump every club through the national and pre-season draft and we think we are an exciting option."

Simply stating a fact, he's not saying we will he's just saying we can.

Brisbane are also interested in him and have a selection in the National Draft before Collingwood, while his preference during trade week was Collingwood if Brisbane decided to take him he wouldn't say no and retire he would suck it up and go play for Brisbane.

Nick Stevens wanted to go to Collingwood in the Pre-season Draft but did he? No Carlton got him despite him nominating Collingwood as his club of choice and did he retire because he didn't get there? No he didn't.

At the end of the day, he'll play football for whatever team drafts him.

 

[demon48]

Bollox - unlike Melbourne, the Pies had just played off in two consecutive GFs. Melbourne are shite - the Pies tanked. No comparison whatsoever.

We may be shite, but we've never been shite enough to warrant moving to another state.

 

[kosifantutti]

Why is it that so many people have difficulty reading the words that I type? It's quite astonishing to me actually because I have never encountered so many occurrences of people twisting my words to suit themselves.

I really feel for you KS. Because when you wrote this:

He should have been able to get to Collingwood last week because they accepted St.Kilda's request for the trade, but then they changed their mind.

in this post

I thought you were suggesting Collingwood changed their mind, but obviously you didn't suggest that at all because you would have admitted that if you said it.

 

[demon48]

Is that your boyfriend? Woof!

 

[demon48]

Defolt Woody and Demon98 arent on the ignore list yet.

I usually don't reply the filth that spews from her keyboard. It hurts my head. And makes my feet sad.

 

[suedehead]

This thread needs a drinking game.

* Every time KissStephanie uses the expression "flip-flop", take a shot
*Every time KissStephanie puts someone on her ignore list, take a shot

etc. etc.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

KissStephanie...
Why no reply to my post?

 

[Deefolt]

KissStephanie...
Why no reply to my post?

probably on ignore list lol
i thought i was haha

The funny thing is if you read my post and her replies she simply rebukes what she was saying before.
The reason why i am talking about you KS and not to you is because i'm sick of saying the same things, you repeating the same things back, and not reading what any else is writing. You are the living brick wall.

No logic at all in this....

 

[Max zero]

KS and W33.

Its like a car accident, you shouldn't look but you just can't help it.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Max Zero. Such an appropriate name for a troll as low-rent as he...

 

[demon48]

This thread needs a drinking game.

* Every time KissStephanie uses the expression "flip-flop", take a shot
*Every time KissStephanie puts someone on her ignore list, take a shot

etc. etc.

More please!

 

[KissStephanie]

Unbacked, unproven, unsubstantiated - how can you possibly speak as to what Luke Ball might personally think about anything, one way or the other?

You may not like Collingwood, but if you think they are not a potential premiership contender, then I disagree. There is nothing to suggest that the best of Collingwood is in the past and not in the future with such a young list and very good VFL team. I definitely heard online during trade week that Luke Ball's desire to play with a premiership contender was one of the reasons that he decided to play for Collingwood. Please disprove that by all means though.

Ludicrous and laughable. Honestly - do you really believe this?

I didn't say whether I believed it or not, unless you can show me my post regarding that. I simply said that it was what I had heard. I do feel confident that he doesn't want to play for Melbourne though. I believe that Melbourne are going to have to change his mind if he is going to agree to play for them, but of course that is possible.

You have no evidence with which to back up such a claim - and it is illogical in the extreme.

If I say that something is fact, then I will support that with sources, but when did I say that it was fact? I didn't say any such thing. I didn't even say that I believed it. I have heard though that Ball does not want to play for Melbourne, and their stalking has made him feel uncomfortable.

Why on Earth would a player request a meeting with a club if he somehow didn't want to meet with them?

Ha ha ha! What a classic! I have not disputed that his manager requested a meeting with Melbourne, even though I have seen nothing that confirms that. I have not disputed that Ball wants to meet with Melbourne either, even though it is completely unconfirmed as Ball has not said anything at all regarding that. Can you see the words that I have written clearly? Many people have had difficulty with that in this thread.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

What's your point? What does it have to do with anything that I have said? What doesn't make sense is that you're directing this toward me because I had not said such a thing.

This is not fact, or even close to it, this is your opinion, and it strikes me as a severely misguided and ill-conceived one, to say the least.

I didn't say that it was fact! Please stick to the words that I write! Do you need those thick glasses too? I didn't even suggest that it was my opinion! Unbelievable. I said that it was what I had heard, and I did! I did not at any stage say that I agreed with it though. I do feel confident that he doesn't want to play for Melbourne though, and it is not his preference, and I do believe that Melbourne's stalking has made him feel uncomfortable.

The fact is if Ball had decided that he wanted not to play for us, he would have publicly stated his intention to nominate for the ND already.

Do you fair dinkum believe that? I completely disagree! Not only was he extremely unlikely to make such a statement while he was here in New York City on holidays, but I believe that if his intention is to nominate for the National Draft, then he will do it after his contract with St.Kilda expires on Saturday of course.

Unless he does that, or nominates for the ND when the time comes - and it seems increasingly unlikely that he will, I think - then your claims on this topic are just coloured bubbles.

I think there is more chance that he will nominate for the National Draft. I do not believe that Melbourne will use a National Draft pick on him as Dean Bailey has already confirmed. I do not believe that any team will stand in his way if he does not agree to play for that team beforehand, particularly if he nominates terms that are well above his worth.

He is then permitted within draft rules to re-negotiate those terms if he chooses to if selected by the club of his preference. I believe that Collingwood will definitely point this out to him as well in the next week or so, if it hasn't been pointed out already. He is a member of the AFLPA Executive Committee though, so I am sure that he is aware that he can get to Collingwood if he wants to badly enough.

spot on wona. ball cannot and will not end up at collingwood. looking forward to re-visiting this in the near future. kiss stephanie, you are deluded.

Come off it. You don't even know the rules. You didn't even know that Ball could nominate for the National Draft, and you weren't aware that his contract with St.Kilda expires on the weekend.

 

[Squarky]

Seriously, I am amazed that this thread is still going.

KissStephanie, you're clearly a passionate and well-informed supporter, but these guys are just winding you up. Quit giving them the satisfaction they're looking for

TBH, I couldn't care less where Ball ends up. He's a nice-to-have for the Dees, and would accelerate the development of our youth armada, but if he goes somewhere else it won't be the end of the world.

I reckon the Pies would still be GAGGING for him, though - he's just what they need. They're just not gagging publicly.

 

[Dez!]

I dislike not getting a reply to my post KS.

 

[robba]

Seriously, I am amazed that this thread is still going.

KissStephanie, you're clearly a passionate and well-informed supporter, but these guys are just winding you up. Quit giving them the satisfaction they're looking for

TBH, I couldn't care less where Ball ends up. He's a nice-to-have for the Dees, and would accelerate the development of our youth armada, but if he goes somewhere else it won't be the end of the world.

I reckon the Pies would still be GAGGING for him, though - he's just what they need. They're just not gagging publicly.

passionate yes, but i've met better-informed monkeys.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

passionate yes, but i've met better-informed monkeys.

I think I ended up on the ignore list after I accused her of being a chimpanzee on a keyboard.

 

[Squizz]

Is there anyone who is not on the list after daring to challenge one of KissTroll's posts?

 

[robba]

kiss stephanie what will you do if ball doesnt end up at collingwood, what WILL you do?