Can Chris.C Do It?

[Reveler]

I've read lots of the posts here and I have one simple question. Is there any chance that chris can take us to premiership glory?

I'd say we have a very strong midfield now. Josh Carr looks good, Schammer is set to be a star and we have the added depth to really make people push for selection.

our backline works well together when they get midfield support and our forward line is looking to settle in 2005.

However does chris.c have the guts to make some of the tough decisions. Sit medhurst in the WAFL if he doesn't perform. Discipline farmer when he gets out of hand. Settle pavlich at CHF and stop moving him round everywhere.

I'd like to think he does, but the more he talks the more I think he should be at Curtin Uni studying marketing

 

[Kapow!!!]

Only this year's performance will tell IMO!

 

[Billy Hunt]

Dutchey doesn't think so.
http://www.wehavethepassion.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=726

* quote from Dutchey*
Cuddly

For the life of me, I'm buggered if I have spoken to a single Fremantle supporter who rates Connolly. Sure, there were a few around at this time last year but they seem to have gone underground (or revised their opinion).

I'm not talking about cyber supporters but real people out in the real world. I have a fairly wide base of friends and get around a fair bit. I know you people are 'real', so I'm asking for some honesty here. If you don't want to give your opinion on Connolly, can you at least tell us your experience regarding those you know or meet (who aren't on the net or don't post on the net).

Is it just me and my friends or is it widespread ?

 

[sabre_ac]

Needs to start disciplining players, especially that little ******** medhurst.
Untill then I wont rate him.

 

[Reveler]

Needs to start disciplining players, especially that little ******** medhurst.
Untill then I wont rate him.

I fully agree, our 'young' team needs discipline. but he is too soft to give it.

 

[rickjames]

I support connolly, people are asking too much - its not as if the man took over the helm for us with a team with any talent... we had the bear min. The club has come full circle, he now can focus on coaching and getting the best from players - instead of drilling to people about the brand, gathering sponsorship etc.... There are 15 coaches that dont win a premiership each yr - ours last yr was one of those - its hard to win a major sporting competition - or any for that matter. The guy has traded and drafted well over the past 3 season gotten some great players - cut the guy some slack for a change, or would you rather a guy that coaches us to 2 wins and have no one wanting to play for freo again???

 

[voodoo_86]

I'm a CC supporter, probably not a fan anymore. Last year tested my patience too much, but I still believe he'll learn from the mistakes and have a good year this year.

Remember, he can not be blamed for everything. Perhaps he has done too much marketting in the past, but he was hired on that premise. I'm sure he would have loved to avoid the spotlight in the tough times but instead he had to help build the fremantle brand. Now the bandwagoners have jumped aboard and membership is strong he no longer has to do this as much.

And really, i'm not so sure the 5 minutes he spends promoting the club on TV could have been better spent working on a game plan for the next week that was probably already in place. I also doubt that his beat ups negatively effected the players performance, or incited the opposition to play beyond themselves. I think the marketting and game performance were completely mutually exclusive, but the marketting was an easy attack option when performance was down.

While i'm not a fan of the spare man in defense we often employ, I have enough confidence that the coaching staff have analysed the team situation alot more than I or anyone else on here has to the point where if they believe it is in our best interests to play a certain way, it probably is, regardless of the outcome of games. Who can really say playing a different way would not have resulted in a 10 goal thrashing rather than the 3 goal deficit? All speculation.

We all like to speculate about our depth and I find that a supporter always rates their fringe players better than anyone else would. I also would have loved to have seen Medhurst dropped, perhaps he would have returned hungry - but who knows. The simple fact is, who would we have brought in to replace him - and would they have contributed the same level of output (say on average 2 goals a game). Even when Medhurst was terrible he still managed to pop up with a couple. My thoughts immediately turn to T.Lo but his performances at AFL level were no better than Medhursts (although more due to lack of opportunity and playing out of position, imo).

So, i guess for Billy's sake, you could probably slide me under tentatively rating Connolly. I would like an extra season though to change my mind

 

[Rob]

I'm sure it's possible....sh*t, if Grant Thomas can coach a team to top 4 then CC can win a flag. I'm just not sure how likely it is.

 

[PAFC2004]

Firstly, I'm not trolling.
IMO, he is not the right man for the job. I don't think he can get you there.
You have some good players (some more now, thanks to Port Adelaide ), so you do have potential. Just with another coach.

 

[purplesoul]

I am a CC fan. In conjuction with Schwab, has done a great job for the club, and 2004 was probably a very important year in his development as a coach.

CC is as good as any other available coach to take Freo to the premiership. Probably more important is whether he has got the support coaches right.

 

[pav_is_god]

He's got the cattle to be able to do it in 2-3 years time, but I'm undecided on whether he can until I see where he takes us this season.

 

[Billy Hunt]

So, i guess for Billy's sake, you could probably slide me under tentatively rating Connolly. I would like an extra season though to change my mind

That was a quote from Dutchey who I think is a very well-informed football supporter.

http://www.wehavethepassion.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=726

 

[theGav56]

Course he can. Coach probably adds maximum 5% to a teams effort on game day, and probably more likely 2%.

Aside from game day he has made the club and team a 300% better operation than when he arrived.

While we are a club that only has managed to attract rookie coaches we need to be prepared to give them the time to get their resources in order, and give them time to learn how to coach.

Even though we didn't do better in 2004 than 2003 I reckon we still progressed. In particular it became clearer where our weaknessess are, and gave the club the clarity to address them. This has happened through trades and drafting, and an 8-12% improvement on the win/loss ratio can be expected.

CC is 98% likely to further improve the team in 2005.

Great stats, pulled directly from my arse, but the are accurate damn it. And it feels better getting them out there.

 

[dockertor]

That was a quote from Dutchey who I think is a very well-informed football supporter.

http://www.wehavethepassion.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=726

Can you copy the quote as I cant get to the site (blocked due to adult content?). Anything Dutchey has to say must read with the context that he has an anti coach and anti administration agenda.

 

[Billy Hunt]

adult content?

Surely you jest.

*quote*
Cuddly

For the life of me, I'm buggered if I have spoken to a single Fremantle supporter who rates Connolly. Sure, there were a few around at this time last year but they seem to have gone underground (or revised their opinion).

I'm not talking about cyber supporters but real people out in the real world. I have a fairly wide base of friends and get around a fair bit. I know you people are 'real', so I'm asking for some honesty here. If you don't want to give your opinion on Connolly, can you at least tell us your experience regarding those you know or meet (who aren't on the net or don't post on the net).

Is it just me and my friends or is it widespread ?

 

[purplesoul]

CC would probably be seen in a lot better light had Freo lost 2 more games in 2003 and not made the finals, and won 2 more in 2004 and made the finals. Fickle game.

Anyway, we are all aware of the changes at coaching level after the issues late in the season 2004, and with those lessons under his belt, CC should be a better coach for it in 2005.

Having said that, I have no problem with CC getting the flick if Freo do not achieve finals in 2005.

 

[The Mission Man]

Course he can. Coach probably adds maximum 5% to a teams effort on game day, and probably more likely 2%.

Aside from game day he has made the club and team a 300% better operation than when he arrived.

While we are a club that only has managed to attract rookie coaches we need to be prepared to give them the time to get their resources in order, and give them time to learn how to coach.

Even though we didn't do better in 2004 than 2003 I reckon we still progressed. In particular it became clearer where our weaknessess are, and gave the club the clarity to address them. This has happened through trades and drafting, and an 8-12% improvement on the win/loss ratio can be expected.

CC is 98% likely to further improve the team in 2005.

Great stats, pulled directly from my arse, but the are accurate damn it. And it feels better getting them out there.

And it feels better to see them out here. Curiously, given my general aversion to arse stats, I agree with pretty much everything you say. Particularlly that having your weaknesses revealed and then seeking to address them is progress.

 

[dockertor]

adult content?

Surely you jest.

*quote*
Cuddly

For the life of me, I'm buggered if I have spoken to a single Fremantle supporter who rates Connolly. Sure, there were a few around at this time last year but they seem to have gone underground (or revised their opinion).

I'm not talking about cyber supporters but real people out in the real world. I have a fairly wide base of friends and get around a fair bit. I know you people are 'real', so I'm asking for some honesty here. If you don't want to give your opinion on Connolly, can you at least tell us your experience regarding those you know or meet (who aren't on the net or don't post on the net).

Is it just me and my friends or is it widespread ?

I tend to think it is just dutchey and co. Most reasonable people would say CC was a touch lucky to make the finals in 2003 and perhaps a touch unlucky not to in 2004 (read as made some mistakes with the fitness program and not having the luxury to do the things that the witchhunters wanted)

3 seasons as a senior coach and he is still learning. But thats the good bit HE IS LEARNING

 

[purplesoul]

Anything Dutchey has to say must read with the context that he has an anti coach and anti administration agenda.

Dutchey makes good reading on DL (waits for bashing), but agree that his views always seem to be slanted with the anti coach / anti admin stance.

Or maybe my impression of vast improvement at the club in the last few years is just wrong?

 

[Boomhauer]

Of course he can coach us to a premiership.

 

[bee dee]

State the cold hard facts if you will. Since taking over he has won 34 from 67 at better than 50%. Pre Connolly the club had won 47 from 154 games at 30%. So who is the best coach they have had, quite simple. The club was almost shut down after 2001, losing money and winning 2 games. Now look at them had their best 2 seasons in the AFL the past 2 yrs and making money with 5th-6th best membership. What do you expect a miracle. Port had a base to work around and a lot of history to fall back on, this club is from nothing and being the 2nd side in WA always going to take time. Look out this yr could be the big improver i'm tipping.

 

[Reveler]

.... this club is from nothing .....

east fremantle and south fremantle are both big parts of our heritage.

They are also a part of the eagles heritage. So its an interesting situation. We didn't come from one team but the whole state. Unlike port who were based around the PA magpies.

 

[Borry]

State the cold hard facts if you will. Since taking over he has won 34 from 67 at better than 50%. Pre Connolly the club had won 47 from 154 games at 30%. So who is the best coach they have had, quite simple. The club was almost shut down after 2001, losing money and winning 2 games. Now look at them had their best 2 seasons in the AFL the past 2 yrs and making money with 5th-6th best membership. What do you expect a miracle. Port had a base to work around and a lot of history to fall back on, this club is from nothing and being the 2nd side in WA always going to take time. Look out this yr could be the big improver i'm tipping.

Agree. Sensible post from a Port Supporter and Well Put.

 

[voodoo_86]

Look out this yr could be the big improver i'm tipping.

You're usually on the money, so i'll hold you to this one

 

[jarman]

Dutchey doesn't think so.
http://www.wehavethepassion.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=726

* quote from Dutchey*
Cuddly

For the life of me, I'm buggered if I have spoken to a single Fremantle supporter who rates Connolly. Sure, there were a few around at this time last year but they seem to have gone underground (or revised their opinion).

I'm not talking about cyber supporters but real people out in the real world. I have a fairly wide base of friends and get around a fair bit. I know you people are 'real', so I'm asking for some honesty here. If you don't want to give your opinion on Connolly, can you at least tell us your experience regarding those you know or meet (who aren't on the net or don't post on the net).

Is it just me and my friends or is it widespread ?

Dutch - could not agree with you more. He is a great promoter but hopless as a football coach. We need a real football coach to bring the best out of this squad.