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perhaps he found a mistress in Perth - like the multiple he’s had in Melbourne.
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Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft? - Part 2
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perhaps he found a mistress in Perth - like the multiple he’s had in Melbourne.
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thats the Rub. Our strategy is supposedly flawed, but every player we were intersted in had interest from other clubs. Some cme to us, some did not
most clubs are doing it
if does in the context of claims that early draft picks are invariably better than later ones
From the 2017 draft Hawthorn may have the best midfielder in Worpel and if he isn't the best he is probably the most advanced. (Kelly's circumstances considered as he is now back in Perth). From the 2016 not sure what quality mid Hawthorn missed out on there. First pick would have been around 13.
So Hawthorn have O'Meara and Worpel and missed who?
who says that they are 'invariably' better? Has anyone said those words and been serious?
It's still getting a player who was drafted at some stage, just through a different process.
Well I doubt Hawthorn would have only went for midfielders with those picks, that was just an example, but their were plenty of good midfielders available with those picks.
Parfitt or Fisher with that first pick in 2016
Hunter Clark in 2017
Charlie Constable with the 2nd rounder in 2017
Those guys along with Worpel would be pretty exciting.
There were also plenty of quality key position players they could have taken too.
No one's arguing you didn't bring players in.
But they ignored the draft.
That's literally what the thread is about.
They didn't ignore the draft. Since 2010 half the new players in the best 22 came from development of draftees. Its one extreme of the AFL but its not unique, all clubs do it
Originall someone posted "drafting young mids could set your midfield up for 10 years"
It should be "drafting young mids could set up your midfield, but it will take 10 years"
Hawks draft Hodge Mitchell Brown in 2001. win flag seven years later. in that time only a couple of years at the foot of the ladder (not 2001 btw, came 4th)
Well AFL rules make it impossible to totally ignore the draft so if you want to get technical you are correct.
You are going back a long way for those stats. Not sure we are referring to who the club drafted 10 years ago.
How many players in Hawthorn's current 22 have been taken in the draft over the last 5 or 6 years?
Good young players you list with up sides but I doubt any will be superstars (happy to be wrong).
The O,Meara deal looks bad when you look at numbers in a trade room, but the reality is, Hawthorn are ahead and I expect will be for at least the next 5 years.
Really? Seems pretty straight laced father of 3 to me.
Well O'Meara isn't exactly a superstar himself. I'll be surprised if at least one of those guys don't go onto have a career as good as his.
Hawthorn are ahead of what?
Ahead in that trade?
Yes, really unfortunately I am led to believe.
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2015 onwards, No premiership players have been drafted
in 2014, current 22-28 players already there - Frawley McEvoy Gunston Burgoyne Ceglar (5) as trades and Sicily Obrien Puopolo Smith Stratton Shiels Bruest (7)
Since and includng 2015 draft/trade period:
Mitchell Omeara Impey Wingard Scrimshaw Patton Scully Frost Henderson (9) as trades and Hardwick Worpel Morrison Lewis Cousins Nash Hanrahan (7)
(with Jones Day Morris Jiath the next most likely)
Im not trying to prove figures exactly listing 28 its a matter of opinion on the fringe of the 22. draftees usually serve a couple of years first so its not like for like
I quoted 2009-10 onwards because that's when the strategy (which has resulted in half of the regulars coming from trades, half from draft and develop) seemed to start at Hawthorn. Prior to that 2004-2008 it seems to be mainly draftees
I could add that over the period, Box Hill have been one of the better VFL teams fairly consistently. the develop system is certainly no afterthought
in 2014, current 22-28 players already there - Frawley McEvoy Gunston Burgoyne Ceglar (5) as trades and Sicily Obrien Puopolo Smith Stratton Shiels Bruest (7)
Since and includng 2015 draft/trade period:
Mitchell Omeara Impey Wingard Scrimshaw Patton Scully Frost Henderson (9) as trades and Hardwick Worpel Morrison Lewis Cousins Nash Hanrahan (7)
(with Jones Day Morris Jiath the next most likely)
Im not trying to prove figures exactly listing 28 its a matter of opinion on the fringe of the 22. draftees usually serve a couple of years first so its not like for like
I quoted 2009-10 onwards because that's when the strategy (which has resulted in half of the regulars coming from trades, half from draft and develop) seemed to start at Hawthorn. Prior to that 2004-2008 it seems to be mainly draftees
I could add that over the period, Box Hill have been one of the better VFL teams fairly consistently. the develop system is certainly no afterthought
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How is this relevant sorry?Some interesting Data
Draft Picks and Trades Broken Down by Club - Draftguru
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I think I counted 4 in the current 22 were drafted by the club since 2014
As I said, it's impossible to totally ignore the draft but there wouldn't be too many in the same boat I wouldn't think?
Yes
Will have to agree to disagree on that one.
I think think if you give up picks 7, 25, 26, 36 in two drafts you want a better player than O'Meara
Its good to look up what trades happened and what draft picks were missed etc.
For a thread that is about the draft, I would have thought that a full draft and trade history would be some interesting info.
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