Captain VB

[Stripple]

And have everyone here sook about how we don't try to stop the oppositions best mids? I don't think so..

I think he would get less crap because he would just be seen to be a role player there would still be questions about his place in the 22 but they wouldn't be as harsh. Didn't mind his game in the weekend think most taggers on sell wood would give a few away he knows how to shrug the shoulders and throw the arms up to head height.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Even VB himself would admit that he doesnt have the kick of Vince or hands or marking power of say Vince, who still isn't in the top echelon either (well not for all 3, his kicking is mighty handy let me tell you).

There's not many others in our squad with Vinces roost and accuracy either... but I do remember a VB game winning goal at the WACA... last year I think ?

Ive also seen VB nail some exquisite daisy cutting passes lace out to people inside 50 - doesnt that count?

 

[AFC979810]

Although I was very frustrated with a few times how easy it was for Selwood to shake his tackle and run off and be very damaging.

Why were you frustrated? Selwood did on Sunday what he has done every weekend since 2007.

It is incredible tough to stop a guy like Selwood.

 

[Skippy231]

I used to rate Selwood very highly and his performances speak for themselves but it's like watching Wanganeen V2. He needs to worry about the ball not ducking every time he goes near it

 

[Slippery Pete]

I used to rate Selwood very highly and his performances speak for themselves but it's like watching Wanganeen V2. He needs to worry about the ball not ducking every time he goes near it

He has this incredible cat like instinct of shrugging himself so that the tackle slips over the shoulder. Every time.

As long as the umpire keeps paying it, why wouldn't you keep doing it?

 

[Allefgib]

Why were you frustrated? Selwood did on Sunday what he has done every weekend since 2007.

It is incredible tough to stop a guy like Selwood.

The particular instances engendered frustration as I was watching. They felt like missed tackles.
Careful not to over analyse it.

 

[Adelaide Cows]

If he wasn't our Captain and just playing as an inside mid / tagger would he cop it on here as bad as he does?

Yeah, this board needs someone to bag.

 

[cmndstab]

He has this incredible cat like instinct of shrugging himself so that the tackle slips over the shoulder. Every time.

As long as the umpire keeps paying it, why wouldn't you keep doing it?

Amen. It's not like it's even that hard to do. Just get really damn strong, and do it all the time in training. Soon enough it will become instinctive and, as has been demonstrated for years now, it's really damn effective.

Hell, we should be practicing it as a whole club.

I don't view Selwood's free kicks in the same category as diving or even playing for frees. He doesn't play for frees, he deliberately induces them. If you can force an opponent to infringe you, why not do it? If we had a forward who was really skilled at getting his arms or head in the right place to get them chopped by a defender, and regularly won frees for it, we'd say he had footy smarts and courage. Yet when Selwood does it in the midfield the fans are up in arms over it.

The only issue I have with Selwood is the way he whinges on, game after game, stoppage after stoppage, any time he doesn't get a free kick.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Spot on cmndstab.
He'll be punchdrunk in later life but at least he'll have a few GF gongs to ease the pain.

 

[Elite Crow]

Why were you frustrated? Selwood did on Sunday what he has done every weekend since 2007.

It is incredible tough to stop a guy like Selwood.

VB kept his possession count down but the frustrating part was a career high 3 goals and it was almost 4.

 

[footy4ever]

The only issue I have with Selwood is the way he whinges on, game after game, stoppage after stoppage, any time he doesn't get a free kick.

My exact sentiments.

I have always wanted a rule introduced whereby any player who signals to the umpire in any way,..like standing around a pile-on flapping their arms like seagulls signalling HTB for instance, or appeals to the umpire before or after a free kick, should be penalised.

The only allowable remonstrations should concern a kick-at-goal-touched-ball, or if a ball bounces in or out of bounds (when close to the line) - these are not interpretable, they can be viewed on replay and while the reviews won't be conclusive always, they have in the past cleared up some close and important decisions.

 

[Vader]

Amen. It's not like it's even that hard to do. Just get really damn strong, and do it all the time in training. Soon enough it will become instinctive and, as has been demonstrated for years now, it's really damn effective.

Hell, we should be practicing it as a whole club.

I don't view Selwood's free kicks in the same category as diving or even playing for frees. He doesn't play for frees, he deliberately induces them. If you can force an opponent to infringe you, why not do it? If we had a forward who was really skilled at getting his arms or head in the right place to get them chopped by a defender, and regularly won frees for it, we'd say he had footy smarts and courage. Yet when Selwood does it in the midfield the fans are up in arms over it.

The only issue I have with Selwood is the way he whinges on, game after game, stoppage after stoppage, any time he doesn't get a free kick.

We had one.. the umpires still refused to pay him most of the free kicks he was due. As distinct from the whinging girl, who seems to win free kicks all the time.

 

[cmndstab]

We had one.. the umpires still refused to pay him most of the free kicks he was due. As distinct from the whinging girl, who seems to win free kicks all the time.

He did manage to get a few free kicks for a week or two after we complained about it that time though

 

[TARANTULA]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-23/van-berlo-toughens-up

Nathan van Berlo's output has been down in 2013 but he maintains he's the right man to lead Adelaide
ADELAIDE skipper Nathan van Berlo isn't fazed by suggestions that Patrick Dangerfield would be better suited as the club's captain.

There has been a stream of external commentary in recent weeks from fans and critics alike who support the idea of the 23-year-old leading the club.

Pressure is building?

 

[FR0GGY]

Amen. It's not like it's even that hard to do. Just get really damn strong, and do it all the time in training. Soon enough it will become instinctive and, as has been demonstrated for years now, it's really damn effective.

Hell, we should be practicing it as a whole club.

I don't view Selwood's free kicks in the same category as diving or even playing for frees. He doesn't play for frees, he deliberately induces them. If you can force an opponent to infringe you, why not do it? If we had a forward who was really skilled at getting his arms or head in the right place to get them chopped by a defender, and regularly won frees for it, we'd say he had footy smarts and courage. Yet when Selwood does it in the midfield the fans are up in arms over it.

The only issue I have with Selwood is the way he whinges on, game after game, stoppage after stoppage, any time he doesn't get a free kick.

Its called the Josh Francou or Matthew Primus move.

 

[FR0GGY]

Amen. It's not like it's even that hard to do. Just get really damn strong, and do it all the time in training. Soon enough it will become instinctive and, as has been demonstrated for years now, it's really damn effective.

Hell, we should be practicing it as a whole club.

I don't view Selwood's free kicks in the same category as diving or even playing for frees. He doesn't play for frees, he deliberately induces them. If you can force an opponent to infringe you, why not do it? If we had a forward who was really skilled at getting his arms or head in the right place to get them chopped by a defender, and regularly won frees for it, we'd say he had footy smarts and courage. Yet when Selwood does it in the midfield the fans are up in arms over it.

Whats the difference between ducking, and forcing your opponent to collect you high and doing this though? One you dont get a free for the other you do. Both moves are forcing your opponent to get you high.

 

[cmndstab]

Whats the difference between ducking, and forcing your opponent to collect you high and doing this though? One you dont get a free for the other you do. Both moves are forcing your opponent to get you high.

In one, you are impacting your opponent with your head.

In the other, you are forcing your opponent to impact your head.

Subtle distinction, but a distinction all the same.

 

[MarcusP2]

The other thing is, if his shrug move doesn't get a free kick, at least his arms are free and he can break the tackle and get a handpass away. If you run around with your head down or duck and get smashed, if you don't get a free you're probably down and out and there's a ball up.

 

[Freomaniac]

As if they would do that.

Nobody would trade Groom for McLeod!

Good luck trading with Freo after that comment...

Let's all relaxed, VB captaincy is over in about 2 months time, thank God.

We can delist/trade or drop him without any embarrassment.

Surely some club out west will be stupid enough to take him.

Now for you two.... Believe it or not, If he was out of contract this season, Both teams would be after him. However if any WA team had any Leverage, Freo would hold some edge because his younger brother played for us.

It seemed some of you have forgotten that he has been giving your team 8 good years so far... Keep in mind before this season he has had 3 very good seasons from 2010-2012. If he was out of contract, I would take him as a replacement for ryan crowley, that and Freo need experience and leadership in a young side once Pav retires. West coast need a decent tagger as well.

 

[1990crow]

Good luck trading with Freo after that comment...









Now for you two.... Believe it or not, If he was out of contract this season, Both teams would be after him. However if any WA team had any Leverage, Freo would hold some edge because his younger brother played for us.

It seemed some of you have forgotten that he has been giving your team 8 good years so far... Keep in mind before this season he has had 3 very good seasons from 2010-2012. If he was out of contract, I would take him as a replacement for ryan crowley, that and Freo need experience and leadership in a young side once Pav retires. West coast need a decent tagger as well.

You lost me at the end where you stated decent tagger.

VB needs to be finding more of the ball himself to become a competent one, otherwise you're going to end up with the star opposition player getting thirty five touches to VBs 20 or less. So basically losing half a player.

 

[GROTTO]

Danger will be made Captain in January 2014 bookmark it!

 

[Vader]

Now for you two.... Believe it or not, If he was out of contract this season, Both teams would be after him. However if any WA team had any Leverage, Freo would hold some edge because his younger brother played for us.

It seemed some of you have forgotten that he has been giving your team 8 good years so far... Keep in mind before this season he has had 3 very good seasons from 2010-2012. If he was out of contract, I would take him as a replacement for ryan crowley, that and Freo need experience and leadership in a young side once Pav retires. West coast need a decent tagger as well.

How is it that a Freo supporter knows more about our Captain than 2/3 of the posters on the Adelaide Board?

 

[Freomaniac]

How dare you compare VB to Groom. Groom would be insulted. Twice the player VB will ever be.

In fact I would rather have had Truck as captain ahead of VB, he has deserved it. Strong dependable and performs.

Wait a sec. Hodge is allowed to, and does, play wherever he feels he is needed. This is so far from the roles VB is given it is totally skewed to compare the two. The whole - captains-have-to-be-the-most-inspirational-player is overrated.

But give me Dangerfield.

I think your right. Captain does not need to be best player, but they must have ability to influence the game. Hodge can get away with putting himself all around because he is a good enough player.

VB has had 1 or 2 good games all year where he would be in best players. Not good enough for a captain. It is that simple.

Ive noticed Vader hasnt posted in a while here.
He must have admitted defeat.
Either that or we're all gonna get a card by nights end for having a differing opinion.

Dangerfield I think will be captain next year. VB is starting to struggle to hold onto his spot in the 22 and might need to just concentrate on his career over the next few years. Everyone loves VB he leads by example but if your no garuntee in the best 22 each week the club must look at other areas. Sloan would be my VC

He leads by his training, professionalism and plays for the jumper. sadly that alone shouldn't guarantee a top 22 spot.

I looked at this topic and read 17 pages of it....But Page 9 on this topic had many interesting opinions on crows captain Nathan Van Berlo. I thought of Posting my comment on here before the game, but I decided to do it after the game.

Here is my exact opinion of Nathan Van Berlo and some will find this interesting from a Non-crows point of view...

1st off I'm mystified and shocked on how you people are harsh on Van Berlo, like your expecting him to carry your team over the line each week. Being a captain of any club is a huge burden and challenge in itself. Van Berlo is better than some of the other teams captains in the AFL. Just because he has one bad year in 2013, you should not of Forgotten the fact he has given your team 8 years of good service in 2013.

Crows fans, ask your self this Question... why was he appointed captain in 2011? And was he the right person to Lead the club at the time?

This Is my opinion... He was appointed captain when he was 24 years old and played 116 games. He "paid his dues" and played a significant amount of games for this club and stuck by this club considering he is From WA. He was the right person to lead the club in 2011 for 2 reasons.

1 was Goodwin was 32 and was retired. Goodwin was made captain in 2010 and he was already 30 at the time. There were other players at the end of their Career as well like McLeod, Tyson Edwards and Brett Burton.

Secondly the crows had a very young squad. Tippet, Walker, Dangerfield, Sloane, douglas and otten were either under 21 or not at the club. Bernie Vince and Chris Knights were solid players but both were not captaincy material and up to the Standards Van Berlo was at the time.

Nathan Van Berlo was the right choice. What does it mean that Van Berlo is captain of the club? It meant they were willing to give the captaincy to a guy that has learnt under Goodwin, Edwards, McLeod etc. Crows have always been known for good standards and leadership since 1991. Crows have always had good captains from McDermott to Bickley to Roo to Goodwin. Van Berlo is No exception. Dangerfield and Sloane will too be good captains when either person gets their chance as well.

Now lets compare that to Melbourne in 2011. They put 2 guys Jack Trengove and Jack Grimes. One guy that is 20 with 30 games under the belt and another that is a 21 year old with 32 games under his belt. What type of standards are you setting if two 20 year olds are your captains? Does it mean that Mebournes senior players are crap? Does it mean that the standards at the club are good? Does it mean that their leadership is good? Answer is No.

Would you rather have someone like Van Berlo that has played over 100 games and has shown to be a good player? Or both Jacks that have done little to justify their captaincy?

History shows that your captain doesn't need to be the best player in your side. Your team, the crows are a good Example. From 1997-2000 Mark Bickley was your captain at the crows? Was he your best? No he wasn't, Darren Jarman, Shaun Rehn and Tony Modra were better than him. Why were any of these 3 guys ever captains? No, They didn't need to because on talent and determination alone, those 3 lead by Example. I dont recall Mark Bickley single handedly winning a game for the crows but I do for the other 3 in Jarman, Rehn and Modra.

Was he your teams important player? Yes. Mark Bickley in my opinion is one of the best captains the crows have produced, regardless of the 2 premierships. He wasn't elite or got 40 disposals a game. But from 1997-2000 he was the perfect captain because of 1 reason: You know he would give 100% for the crows side regardless on how the team is performing and this one attribute a captain should have.

That and he was From South Adelaide as well. Being a Panthers fan, I admire any person that bleeds for the Panthers shirt.

 

[FR0GGY]

How is it that a Freo supporter knows more about our Captain than 2/3 of the posters on the Adelaide Board?

He doesn't, he just doesn't get to see all the shit 2/3rds of us have to put up with

 

[Freomaniac]

How is it that a Freo supporter knows more about our Captain than 2/3 of the posters on the Adelaide Board?

Its a bit strange isn't it? You can deny Van berlo has had some good years at your club. He has done more good than Harm.

Still it would be like me saying the Freo fans should turn on Pavlich for having an injured season. I wont forget his 14 seasons of service before 2013.