Carey vs Hird

[bomberstomake8]

depends what we are talking about, better as in what?

in terms of football ability carey by a long way..

but if your looking at who would do more for your club by both getting the team accross the line and developing youth through leadership etc then hird..

personally i would take hird, his on and off field leadership inspires others to lift and the amount of times i saw hird lift when most afl players wouldnt is insane...

so yeah theres not doubt about carey being the better footballer but i would choose hird for his leadership and character

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

Who was the better player?

Carey marginally(though he didn't get a Norm Smith or Brownlow like Hirdy)

Who is the better human being?

Hird in a landslide

Hird's also a better pastry chef and has Carey covered at Connect 4.

Pity there isnt a "who is a better pastry chef and better at Connect 4" thread

 

[Last Line Hero]

depends what we are talking about, better as in what?

in terms of football ability carey by a long way..

but if your looking at who would do more for your club by both getting the team accross the line and developing youth through leadership etc then hird..

personally i would take hird, his on and off field leadership inspires others to lift and the amount of times i saw hird lift when most afl players wouldnt is insane...

so yeah theres not doubt about carey being the better footballer but i would choose hird for his leadership and character

First of all, we are talking about the playing ability.

You would choose Hird over Carey for leadership and inspiration? Get a clue mate, you are a fool.

Did you ever even watch Carey out on the field? Obviously not.

This is the worst trait of Essendon fans, they can never admit when something or someone is better than something or someone of theirs. As a previous poster wrote, you try and bring up these "400 irrelevant and pedantic angles" to flatter yourselves.

 

[Orson Welles]

Carey was far more damaging, although Hird was a superstar. Different players so a bit tough to compare.

Not really, Carey was better.

Who was the better player?

Carey marginally(though he didn't get a Norm Smith or Brownlow like Hirdy)

Who is the better human being?

Hird in a landslide

Brian Wilson > Gary Ablett and Leigh Matthews.

Who the f uck cares about better human being?? I've heard JH is a bit of a douche

With Hird Essendon won two flags, With Carey North won two flags. The only difference Hird didn't rip the heart out of Essendon when he left. Carey may have been the better player but he got the same results as Hird.

So in hindsight if someone was to say have Carey and recieve two flags or have Hird and recieve two flags then my choice would be Hird by the Flemington straight.

For fuc ks sake.......accept that Carey was better.

depends what we are talking about, better as in what?

in terms of football ability carey by a long way..

but if your looking at who would do more for your club by both getting the team accross the line and developing youth through leadership etc then hird..

personally i would take hird, his on and off field leadership inspires others to lift and the amount of times i saw hird lift when most afl players wouldnt is insane...

so yeah theres not doubt about carey being the better footballer but i would choose hird for his leadership and character

What a load of balls.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Hird's a real person.

God only knows what Carey is.

 

[bomberstomake8]

First of all, we are talking about the playing ability.

You would choose Hird over Carey for leadership and inspiration? Get a clue mate, you are a fool.

Did you ever even watch Carey out on the field? Obviously not.

This is the worst trait of Essendon fans, they can never admit when something or someone is better than something or someone of theirs. As a previous poster wrote, you try and bring up these "400 irrelevant and pedantic angles" to flatter yourselves.

didnt i just admit in my previous post that carey had better playing ability than hird??? so therefore i admitted then someone else is better than "my own" as you said... thats what i thought i did maybe you need to learn to read..

if you had any brains you would know a culture takes a long time to develop.. how is having a player who is going to do the things off feild going to help the culture of your club... having one player with the best skills in the comp isnt going to help much if the team doesnt respect or like him and if off feild he is going to damage the reputation of your club.. sponsors are at risk, supporters and its just overall bad publicity which effects the long term prosperity of the club.. as i said in my previous post an organisation (and yes a football club is an organisation) is not just about one person its about a team.. and hird is better in the long term for the team and culture of the club..

and i did not know whether we were just talking about playing ability thats why i said at the start of my last post it "depends what we are talking about"

i think your the one that needs to get a clue

 

[DapperDon]

Not really, Carey was better.



Brian Wilson > Gary Ablett and Leigh Matthews.

Who the f uck cares about better human being?? I've heard JH is a bit of a douche



For fuc ks sake.......accept that Carey was better.



What a load of balls.

have a fuken cry why don't you?

What did Carey give you that Hird didn't give me?

whoopdee fuken doo, Carey was an awesome player but he didn't do anything Hird didn't do did he? in fact I'd say Hird achieved more in his career than Carey did, so why don't you wipe Carey's left overs off your chin and have a wider look. *******.

 

[Orson Welles]

Who was a better player, Shane Clayton (1 premiership) or Gary Ablett (0 premierships)? Seeing as though Clayton delivered a premiership and achieved more in his career, I'd have to take him over Ablett.

Given your inability to utilise capital letters when appropriate, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to work it out.

 

[Last Line Hero]

didnt i just admit in my previous post that carey had better playing ability than hird??? so therefore i admitted then someone else is better than "my own" as you said... thats what i thought i did maybe you need to learn to read..

if you had any brains you would know a culture takes a long time to develop.. how is having a player who is going to do the things off feild going to help the culture of your club... having one player with the best skills in the comp isnt going to help much if the team doesnt respect or like him and if off feild he is going to damage the reputation of your club.. sponsors are at risk, supporters and its just overall bad publicity which effects the long term prosperity of the club.. as i said in my previous post an organisation (and yes a football club is an organisation) is not just about one person its about a team.. and hird is better in the long term for the team and culture of the club..

and i did not know whether we were just talking about playing ability thats why i said at the start of my last post it "depends what we are talking about"

i think your the one that needs to get a clue

Bullshit...

Carey did more for North Melbourne and the AFL, than Hird ever did. Some of that was taken away after what he did, but Carey's positive impact from the 10 odd years prior that he'd been around was immense and everlasting. North Melbourne wouldn't even exist anymore if Carey hadn't been around through the 90's. The King was around a long, long time prior to his falling out, don't you remember?

I'm aware of the fact you said Carey was a better player, but Essendon fans will always try and concoct some other angle to flatter their point of view, like you did trying to say, "oh but Hird is better for the club." Which by the way is crap anyway.

Carey was better, how about just saying that, without having to try to pump up Hird, in any way possible, in the process. But like I said in my previous post, your'e an Essendon fan, so I doubt it will happen.

 

[Last Line Hero]

have a fuken cry why don't you?

What did Carey give you that Hird didn't give me?

whoopdee fuken doo, Carey was an awesome player but he didn't do anything Hird didn't do did he? in fact I'd say Hird achieved more in his career than Carey did, so why don't you wipe Carey's left overs off your chin and have a wider look. *******.

Yeah, he did, moron...

 

[Thewlis Dish]

and i did not know whether we were just talking about playing ability thats why i said at the start of my last post it "depends what we are talking about"

And the poll says:

Who was the better player?

Pretty straight forward. It's Essendon fans who have brought in the "better person, better for culture" rubbish because Hird isn't going to win a poll on being a better player than Carey. Like when most people say Rob harvey isn't quite on the level of guys like Voss, Buckley and Diesel, so St Kilda fans bring up the "but he's such a great and loyal person" crap as an argument.

i think your the one that needs to get a clue

 

[bomberstomake8]

And the poll says:
Pretty straight forward. It's Essendon fans who have brought in the "better person, better for culture" rubbish because Hird isn't going to win a poll on being a better player than Carey. Like when most people say Rob harvey isn't quite on the level of guys like Voss, Buckley and Diesel, so St Kilda fans bring up the "but he's such a great and loyal person" crap as an argument.

i would have thought that post would have been one sided.. everyone knows carey has the better playing ability.. thats an easy question however who i would rather have in my side is a different question and one that i would need to put some thought into...

ive never really hird great and loyal from a robert harvey argument... that would be irrellevant because voss buckley and hird were all great and loyal

my point is relevant because hird was great and loyal whereas carey wasnt

 

[bomberstomake8]

Bullshit...

Carey did more for North Melbourne and the AFL, than Hird ever did. Some of that was taken away after what he did, but Carey's positive impact from the 10 odd years prior that he'd been around was immense and everlasting. North Melbourne wouldn't even exist anymore if Carey hadn't been around through the 90's. The King was around a long, long time prior to his falling out, don't you remember?

I'm aware of the fact you said Carey was a better player, but Essendon fans will always try and concoct some other angle to flatter their point of view, like you did trying to say, "oh but Hird is better for the club." Which by the way is crap anyway.

Carey was better, how about just saying that, without having to try to pump up Hird, in any way possible, in the process. But like I said in my previous post, your'e an Essendon fan, so I doubt it will happen.

you didnt give any examples of what carey did.. i agree with you that north probably wouldnt be around as long if carey wasnt there but what did carey actually do? you didnt give me any examples. he would have greatley increased there memberships due to his playing ability but thats only the short term isnt it.. those type of supporters would have also left by now the kind where you only by memberships when the team is doing well...

what he did in his few years prior to screwing up big time isnt really relevant in the question i am answering.. (yes i know there was a bit of confusion which was my fault from the actual threads question mostly because the actual question wasnt one that needed to be argued everyone knows carey had the better playing ability) but comparing playing ability to leadership is a question that needs thought. i am answering if they both were available given what you know who would you rather be in your club..

i didnt confuse the question to pump up hird i did it because it would actually require some thought and wouldnt be just a landslide

 

[Last Line Hero]

When it came to leadership Carey was 2nd to none.

He helped ensure North Melbourne survived through the on field success he was the key in delivering. He was also the face of the club for many, many years.

Carried his team mightily on his back, leading them to victory, on more occassions than just about any other player I've seen. (If you disagree with this point you are a fool).

He captained them to two flags.

Was the toughest and in his prime certainly one of if not the most inspiring player to watch.

Won just about every award in the book, and was a captain for his country several times.

Mate, how much more do you need. Carey was stellar in every aspect of everything he did. It was unfortunate one momentary lapse in concentration and sense, brought him down. And he deserved the criticism that he got. But what he accomplished is undeniable.

 

[J-Ro-20]

id say Carey, for value.

Hird missed to much football from injury.

Its a tough comparison because they had different game styles.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

Oh, but Hird has more hair....

Ever noticed how Carey's hair's receding?? Hird for mine.