Carlton vs Richmond

[carn tigez]

So where's the point? That five randomly selected players on your list are better than five randomly selected players on our list?

And you have totallyshot yourself in the foot. Given Carlton and Richmond are about equal in performance this year, doesnt it indicate that the rest of our list must be better than the rest of your list?

Bravo. *claps sarcastically*

Yes it does mean that the rest of your list which includes Judd, Fev and Stevens is better than the rest of ours. But your full list is and won't be better than our full list for a long time. ATM we have 5 older players who are the difference, but when they retire COtchin, Deledio, White etc will all be better than Carlton's kids of the same age.

So what you just said is basically this

Richo, Brown, Simmonds, Johnson, Bowden >>>> Wiggins, Saddington, Cloke, Houlihan

Judd, Fevola, Stevens + your kids >>>>> our kids



BUT my point is that

Richmond's full list >> Carlton's full list

Richmond's kids >> Carlton's kids

 

[Richo83]

This discussion is all academic when the rest of the season starts. If either side makes the top four next season I don't think we'll be paying too much attention to this thread.

 

[mediumsizered]

If you're suggesting that those 5 Richmond players are our best 5, you are wrong. I'd say Richo and Brown would be the only 2 out of that 5 that would be in our five best players.

I said they were 5 of Richmond's best, not Richmond's best 5, because I would certainly put Deledio ahead of Johnson & probably Foley as well. But the 5 Carlton players nominated are nowhere near our best, nor are all of the 5 experienced Carlton players I nominated, Carlton's 5 best players. I would certainly now rate Murphy ahead of Scotland, with Gibbs not far behind, but showing signs he is ready to surpass both of them.

The naming of 5 random Carlton players by you, in response to posts about Richmond's 5 x 30+ players, was just so far from the point that I couldn't see the logic behind naming those players.

 

[iRemember87]

Well done genius

Could you possibly make up some stupid reason that makes that win not count as burying them?

Yes i can genius.

The original post said that there RFC have proven they can bury teams.....burying 1 team taht sits second last doesn't count and proving you can bury teams.....do you get the point.

You need to bury at least 5 teams to prove you have that power.....maybe watch some Geelogn games to see what i mean.

Your reply is a joke thinking that only thrashing WC is proof

 

[iRemember87]

So if they are all playing on next year how will it affect our future? They will still be playing so if they are the reason we win games who cares?

Brown, Richo and maybe Bowden will all be playing in 2010. So they aren't holding back our future at all

It means you won't be breeding the youth that if ever would take the club forward....apart from Richo the other players would have been better retiring.

Johnson....worse captain in the AFL and just past it.
Simmonds....injury and speed of game not with him
Bowden....getting dropped to VFL is enough...plus most unaccountable player in AFL
Brown....great player, but it looks like that leg injury is catching up with him

 

[carn tigez]

Yes i can genius.

The original post said that there RFC have proven they can bury teams.....burying 1 team taht sits second last doesn't count and proving you can bury teams.....do you get the point.

You need to bury at least 5 teams to prove you have that power.....maybe watch some Geelogn games to see what i mean.

Your reply is a joke thinking that only thrashing WC is proof

West Coast and Freo - 2 teams

So I was right, we proved we can bury teams.

I never said we can do it regularly (although I believe we will be able to very soon), all I said is we now can. How could we have buried West Coast if we can't bury teams?

 

[iRemember87]

Yep that's true, but that is because Carlton's 5 experienced players carry the team and without them they really struggle. Whereas our 5 experienced players are only there to support the kids as they gain enough experience to be competitive, rather than being there to single handedly win matches.

They'll be waiting along time

You have no idea...our young players are already winning games for us, not just Fev, Judd, Waite, Stevens and Scotland....many times this year our young kids in Gibbs, Murphy, Jamison, Kreuzer & Grigg have all had games that have proved they are match winners while contributing with the stars mentioned above....but lucky for RFC they have Richo cause without him you would have been lucky to win more than 5 games.

 

[iRemember87]

West Coast and Freo - 2 teams

So I was right, we proved we can bury teams.

I never said we can do it regularly (although I believe we will be able to very soon), all I said is we now can. How could we have buried West Coast if we can't bury teams?

Wow, you buried two teams that sit bottom 3...how many teams buried Carlton and RFC last year....its almost expected!!!

So its not proof RFC can bury teams...it means you can beat bottom 3 teams...bury teams that are place around the same place...beating teams that can't win isn't a challenge...at lets be honest WC have been tanking since the half way mark.

 

[iRemember87]

Actually its not pointless. The point is that the 5 players he mentioned won't play in a premiership at Carlton so effectivley they are doing the same thing as Richo, Brown, Bowden, Simmonds and Johnson, except that they are half as good. After those 5 players the rest of our list will still be playing in 2012 so they are the only one's relevant for us, and Saddington, Houlihan, Wiggins and Cloke won't play in your next premiership.

Really, Houlihan will be 27 next year, Thorton will be 25, Cloke 24, all of which have at least 5 years left in them and at the moment in our best 22 and all contributing and there is no reason why they wouldn't play in a GF is we push for one in the next 5 years.

Houlihan has some of the most amazing silky skills in the AFL, if you don't believe this watch his return game last week against Brisbane with his 3 1st qtr goals and his delivery to Fev.

Thorton, important player down back in our much improved backline who have reduced the scores against this year by over 800, so why wouldn't he be at Carlton when we are pushing finals over the next 5 years.

Cloke, has be a man mountain in the ruck this year, although he isn't a ruckman as such, he will move forward next year and will show that he will be a hardman to control up forward....again watch his game last week when he tore up Brisbane when moved up forward.

Wiggins might not be at the club in the next 3 years, and Saddington will be delisted at the end of this year.

 

[carn tigez]

For the above I meant to say 4 players, hence why I left out Thornton when naming players. No one expects to bury sides similarly placed on the ladder, they expect to beat them and bury bottom 4 teams. My point is that we have finally proved that we can bury shit teams rather than sneak over the line against them.

And the reason Cloke, Wiggins, Houlihan and Saddington won't play in your next premiership is that they simply aren't good enough. So simply put there is no difference to playing a 30 year old or 24 year old if they won't be in your next premiership side.

 

[Richo is God]

Points against:

Richmond: 2247
Carlton: 2195

so defenders are supposed to look after goalkicking midfielders aswell?

 

[iRemember87]

For the above I meant to say 4 players, hence why I left out Thornton when naming players. No one expects to bury sides similarly placed on the ladder, they expect to beat them and bury bottom 4 teams. My point is that we have finally proved that we can bury shit teams rather than sneak over the line against them.

And the reason Cloke, Wiggins, Houlihan and Saddington won't play in your next premiership is that they simply aren't good enough. So simply put there is no difference to playing a 30 year old or 24 year old if they won't be in your next premiership side.

You are kidding....both the highlighted would get a game at RFC and for you to say the simply aren't good enough is a joke, like i said watch the Brisbane game, 2 of the main reasons we beat them at the Gabba.

Wiggins could considerign some of the players you are playing, but unfortunately for him he would rather spew his guts up 100 times a day that put on the yellow and black.

 

[Richo is God]

houlihan wouldnt get a game at rfc, neither cloke.

 

[parrot]

Richmond supporters, you're missing (denying?) the obvious point here. You can bleat on with your "draw excuses" but the reality is not whether the Blues or 9thmond finish 12th or 7th, it means very little. It's just a middle ladder finish. Who cares. The issue IS who has a better list, and the Blues are miles ahead on that score - we have the youngest list in the AFL, and the most raw talent in the AFL, and unlike the Tigers, we actually play and develop our younger players in our starting 22. By contrast the Tiges have played 5, 30 year old and olders in their starting 22 for most of season 2008, and they'll be playing on again in 2009! Bottom line - Blues are building a young team to win flags 17 and 18, while the Tiges are playing a lot of old players to get a politically acceptable mid-ladder finish that will save Terry and possibly get him a another massive fat contract. Terry is selling out your future.

 

[The Cotch]

The issue IS who has a better list, and the Blues are miles ahead on that score - we have the youngest list in the AFL, and the most raw talent in the AFL.......

How do you measure that Parrot? I'd love to know.

 

[carn tigez]

Richmond supporters, you're missing (denying?) the obvious point here. You can bleat on with your "draw excuses" but the reality is not whether the Blues or 9thmond finish 12th or 7th, it means very little. It's just a middle ladder finish. Who cares. The issue IS who has a better list, and the Blues are miles ahead on that score - we have the youngest list in the AFL, and the most raw talent in the AFL, and unlike the Tigers, we actually play and develop our younger players in our starting 22. By contrast the Tiges have played 5, 30 year old and olders in their starting 22 for most of season 2008, and they'll be playing on again in 2009! Bottom line - Blues are building a young team to win flags 17 and 18, while the Tiges are playing a lot of old players to get a politically acceptable mid-ladder finish that will save Terry and possibly get him a another massive fat contract. Terry is selling out your future.

Not a single fact in that whole post except that we are playing 5 30 year old players. The rest of it is purely your opinion which means very little, especially compared with the factual evidence that us Richmond supporters have provided.

 

[carn tigez]

You are kidding....both the highlighted would get a game at RFC and for you to say the simply aren't good enough is a joke, like i said watch the Brisbane game, 2 of the main reasons we beat them at the Gabba.

Wiggins could considerign some of the players you are playing, but unfortunately for him he would rather spew his guts up 100 times a day that put on the yellow and black.

Exactly right. He wishes he could play for Richmond but unfortunately for him he is not good enough

 

[TigerGlory]

Richmond supporters, you're missing (denying?) the obvious point here. You can bleat on with your "draw excuses" but the reality is not whether the Blues or 9thmond finish 12th or 7th, it means very little. It's just a middle ladder finish. Who cares. The issue IS who has a better list, and the Blues are miles ahead on that score...

BEEP. Bullshit detector just blew itself up.

 

[parrot]

BEEP. Bullshit detector just blew itself up.

Hope Terry's OK.

 

[TigerGlory]

Hope Terry's OK.

Hes fine. I hope Fev's okay.

 

[W. Smithers]

we have the youngest list in the AFL, and the most raw talent in the AFL, and unlike the Tigers, we actually play and develop our younger players in our starting 22.

It's a pity all that raw talent isn't spread through your entire list and not just 4 players.

You know the 4 players, Judd, Murphy, Gibbs and Fevola. All had plenty of it, but you went down by 12 goals. What were the other 18 doing.

Did Ratten even look at the tape of how Wallace dismantled the cluster, contained Roughhead, Williams and Buddy and had a very comfortable win without Brown and Foley.

 

[nikolasmia]

this poll is very accurate

 

[peejay]

Points against:

Richmond: 2247
Carlton: 2195

Actually its :

Richmond: 2288
Carlton: 2354

and this is with only playing Geelong and hawthorn once.

 

[richcogs]

In terms of who will be the best mid fielders from the two teams:
1. Judd- not on form this year but past form (tanking gets you some rewards)
1. Deledio- has the speed and marking ability and the penetration with the kick!
2. Cotchin and Gibbs (both pretty similar players two me, very balanced, great skill. Not as much speed as Deledio but Cotchin has great acceleration, don't know about Gibbs)
3. Foley- speed, clearance ability and finish
4. Murphy- good player nothing else (not fast and skill level???)

 

[peejay]

You are the one assuming Hawthorn will thrash us.


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I must admit I did.

How did i go ?