Changes for Richm'd (see team in OP, Aish & Broomy in, Varcoe out, Cox omit, & Daicos an emergency!)

[Scodog10]

So I guess there still a Chance that Elliot will play

Moving and kicking ok, but not overly convincing? Someone's having a bob each way there methinks!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We have the capacity to pass many of Melbourne, stkilda, port, north, hawthorn and even Geelong in my opinion, without anything more than natural improvement and polish.

No reason we can't aim for bottom half of the eight and an elimination final win.

Throwing up names like kirby brown and daicos in a round two selection thread is just defeatist. We need to select a team to win this week.

 

[loki04]

Stay tuned people "On The Couch" with David King he has Bucks in his sights (surprise.....surprise) once again!

More so showing the lack of defensive work ethic of players when Dogs were coming out of defence with ease.

 

[Quicky]

IMO, on the back of a smallish sample size what Sando has provided as the ball movement coach is very positive. We don't have the mix spot on currently, but you replace Cox/ White with Elliott and Blair/ Mayne with Sidebottom and I think we have a locked and loaded 90+ ppg forward mix.

I'm firmly of the belief that removing Cox will allow Moore to own the F50 more, Elliott will no doubt win more of the ball and Sidebottom will give us a lot more than the 12-15 possessions Blair/ Mayne put up. Now is the time that the loss of JDG, Wells, Wills and Greenwood (to a lesser extent) bites hardest because it would allow Sidebottom to play the Greene role without sacrificing anything through the middle.

That said the club dropped the ball at selection last week by replacing Aish with a pressure fwd. That needed to be a ball winning utility such as Broomhead or Daicos.

I agree with most of that. I definitely think it's important to get both Elliott back in the team and Sidebottom forward. They're the keys to the forward line for mine and the details around it less important.

The timing of Wells injury and De Goey's act of stupidity are really poor for us. But I think we should still make the move of Sidebottom forward and give more midfield responsibility to Aish.

On Cox, he was really important to our midfield dominance as a clean hit-out winning second ruck. He was more damaging than Grundy with his hit-outs and I liked that mix. I also want to give Cox a good run at being a key forward, even if his performance right now doesn't justify it, as we need to know if he has a future there. With our lack of options nows the time to give it every opportunity.

On the non-selection of Aish, he was sick, so not sure that's dropping the ball.

 

[CFC2010]

IMO, on the back of a smallish sample size what Sando has provided as the ball movement coach is

That said the club dropped the ball at selection last week by replacing Aish with a pressure fwd. That needed to be a ball winning utility such as Broomhead or Daicos.

I only liked your post Sco because you mentioned Daicos.

P.S I agree about Cox also.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Sack is actually taller but he has genuine pace and the capacity to play on a smaller player as well.

We have other small options to play on smaller players . And Dunn can also play forward arguably better than Goldsack can.

Not sure exactly what the right mix is but I wouldn't rule out Dunn Reid and Schade in the same 22 at times. Even if not every week

 

[loki04]

Found it interesting that the first clip was from behind the goal showing the Bulldogs defensive setup. Yet the other 2 were from side on not showing what was going on behind the ball. What didn't he want the viewer to see?

A paddock of space, pretty clear on the vision when there were 3 bulldogs to 1 Goldsack one play and then in the next play no one in the dogs f50 with stringer and co pushing into it hard with pies trailing.

He was showing 2 things that need work: defensive work rate of mids and forwards like fasolo and that our high stakes zone leaves us very open for easy rebound goals if the work rate is not there for all to defend.

 

[loki04]

Not sure, only caught a glimpse. Two players diving on a ground ball, Carlton player went lower, Rance collided into the top of his oncoming head.

Not a lot in it, nor malice, wont get suspended over it.

 

[domin8tors]

Varcoe / Blair / schade or goldsack out
Aish / Broomhead / Elliott In

this adds 3 smart and good ball users.

 

[loki04]

He wouldn't even be 95%. More like 55%. Then he'd break down at end if 2nd quarter...

He's talking about fit in terms of injury.

He is also training fit it is just match fitness he needs to build which happens while playing, looked very fit in his JLT game and wouldn't of dropped much fitness from then.

 

[Horaceg]

Yep, this.

Varcoe's suspension hurts because we rely on his pace. It'll either be Broomhead or Aish that replace him.

I'll watch with interest the squad named tomorrow night as beyond Aish, Broomhead, and Dunn, I'm not sure who'll be the other player included in the 25. From the limited VFL praccy match reports posted and excusing the Kirby hysteria, Shaz, Oxley or McCarthy seem to have the front running.

Aish will play, Broomhead may get a chance too (Blair)

 

[loki04]

Tigers have a bit of zip up forward with Rioli Short Edwards Butler and Castagna, and are strong through Martin and Riewoldt. They're batting deeper in the midfield with Prestia and Caddy too. Only 2 talls though so we need to be able to rotate the mids, be flexible, quick and strong to cover them.

Just as against the dogs, we may struggle to contain speed with our back line and stop the quick balls coming in if we don't add depth to the midfield.

We only need 2 talls in defence with Howe or Goldsack as third man up. We can't afford for Rance to be manning Cox in our forward line. Howe or Goldsack might actually be a defensive forward to play on Rance we need to make him accountable and take him out of the play. Otherwise if we repeat our awful disposal and transition into the forward 50 from the dogs game, Rance will have a field day and the pressure won't stop.

It is a good week to play Reid forward.

 

[HFF]

Varcoe / Blair / schade or goldsack out
Aish / Broomhead / Elliott In

this adds 3 smart and good ball users.

We need to omit Cox too.
Cannot afford to play all of Moore, White, Cox and Grundy.
Too top heavy.
Need another runner.

Grundy solo ruck
White back up whilst playing forward.
Moore forward.

Much better balance.

 

[Scodog10]

I agree with most of that. I definitely think it's important to get both Elliott back in the team and Sidebottom forward. They're the keys to the forward line for mine and the details around it less important.

The timing of Wells injury and De Goey's act of stupidity are really poor for us. But I think we should still make the move of Sidebottom forward and give more midfield responsibility to Aish.

On Cox, he was really important to our midfield dominance as a clean hit-out winning second ruck. He was more damaging than Grundy with his hit-outs and I liked that mix. I also want to give Cox a good run at being a key forward, even if his performance right now doesn't justify it, as we need to know if he has a future there. With our lack of options nows the time to give it every opportunity.

On the non-selection of Aish, he was sick, so not sure that's dropping the ball.

I think you misread. Leaving out Aish was the right call obviously, but we dropped the ball by replacing him with Mayne. As stated it should have been either Broomhead or Daicos to come in once Aish was out.

Agree to disagree on Cox. I think him spending 70-80% game time within 25 metres of goal hinders Moore's ability to get one out contests in the same area. Whilst I can understand the desire to see him develop I'd rather see Moore given that opportunity to flourish in an open F50.

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

We have the capacity to pass many of Melbourne, stkilda, port, north, hawthorn and even Geelong in my opinion, without anything more than natural improvement and polish.

No reason we can't aim for bottom half of the eight and an elimination final win.

Throwing up names like kirby brown and daicos in a round two selection thread is just defeatist. We need to select a team to win this week.

I 100% agree with what your saying, the time to win and improve is now. If it isnt happening now it wont for the foreseeable future. Should be picking the best 22 each week.

I would say though, in relation to the Blair vs Daicos argument, basied on the limited exposure we have had to Daicos, would output even as a first gamer be that much lower than Blair?

 

[Scodog10]

I 100% agree with what your saying, the time to win and improve is now. If it isnt happening now it wont for the foreseeable future. Shoupd be picking the best 22 each week.

I would say though, in relation to the Blair vs Daicos argument, basied on the limited exposure we have had to Daicos, would output even as a first gamer be that much lower than Blair?

The simple answer to your question is no it wouldn't.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I 100% agree with what your saying, the time to win and improve is now. If it isnt happening now it wont for the foreseeable future. Shoupd be picking the best 22 each week.

I would say though, in relation to the Blair vs Daicos argument, basied on the limited exposure we have had to Daicos, would output even as a first gamer be that much lower than Blair?

But its not Blair v Daicos. Its Blair v Daicos v Broomhead v Aish v Elliot v 3-4 other injured players, De Goey Wills Wells Crocker, etc .

Besides, there was nothing wrong per se with Blairs output....his intensity and ability to win the ball was first rate....it was execution. Would a lower output but higher skill from a zero gamer Daicos improve the side compared to Blair? Maybe not at this point.

 

[loki04]

Sorry Sco but you're wrong on the King love in...........we got burnt because we played a team that punishes you on the rebound if you butcher the ball (like we did). We could have the Flash in our team and he wouldn't be able to get back in "formation" after a teammates errant kick forward.

I know you haven't seen the game but the extra man on the wing for the Dogs helped them punish us easier also.

By the way I don't think Schade did much wrong Friday night.........Goldsack on the other hand........

So what did we do to counter it? oh nothing. Surely if you are getting burnt in such a way repetitively you put in counter measures?

Any stuff it next game is about here and we really need to make sure we bury the pretenders in Bitchmond.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We need to omit Cox too.
Cannot afford to play all of Moore, White, Cox and Grundy.
Too top heavy.
Need another runner.

Grundy solo ruck
White back up whilst playing forward.
Moore forward.

Much better balance.

At the the risk of channeling Robert Walls but given Moores indifferent form this year I would be suggesting.........


"Give him a run in the ruck"

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I think you misread. Leaving out Aish was the right call obviously, but we dropped the ball by replacing him with Mayne. As stated it should have been either Broomhead or Daicos to come in once Aish was out.

Agree to disagree on Cox. I think him spending 70-80% game time within 25 metres of goal hinders Moore's ability to get one out contests in the same area. Whilst I can understand the desire to see him develop I'd rather see Moore given that opportunity to flourish in an open F50.

Mayne would be more useful with Cox out of the side. He was a bit superfflous with the forward line already to otall.

 

[loki04]

I'm not giving up hope after a 14 point loss to the reigning premier after giving up a three goal head start.

Daicos will get his chances. Kirby and brown are a way off.

You don't know what impact they are capable of in the seniors until they get a chance to prove that they are either up for it or not.

The only way to see is to give them a run of games say 3 to get in the groove, they may prove to be actually in our best 22 especially given our overtly crowded f50 where you need opportunistic 1 touch players who can finish in tight like Daicos and KK...

Buckley has chosen to play this way and if it is too work the way i see it he either needs to drop the conservative selections of flawed work horses, for the creative types that can finish and provide momentum gaining moments.

Or he needs to readjust the zone to prevent so many out the back goals happening and consequently momentum sapping moments.

Working so hard for 5 minutes of f50 lock in time only to have the opposition finally break it, then go down and score a under 15 type goal is one of the most deflating and energy sapping things that can happen in footy.

You guys are kidding yourself if you think Blair and Mayne are stopping them with their "defensive chook lotto" faux pressure acts. Even if they need to be rotated on and off we need to blood these kids into the team.

Better to get them up to speed early in the season then late.

 

[loki04]

He did nothing and that is my point......he was one of the three defenders Pendles chastised in the last quarter when he had to run 100 metres to try and spoil Stringer (by the way the other two were Reid & Howe)

He isn't the future it might be harsh but I would play Shazza from now on for the betterment of our team.

Im not Goldsacks biggest fan but you can point out plenty of times when pendles was caught walking and casual jogging back to defend too.

There were also times like the one Kingy pointed out where Goldsack was 3v1. How the hell are they supposed to hold their "shape" and at the same time man stringer and co who often waited behind our zone ready for the eventual turn over.

 

[ZEV]

On Cox, he was really important to our midfield dominance as a clean hit-out winning second ruck. He was more damaging than Grundy with his hit-outs and I liked that mix. I also want to give Cox a good run at being a key forward, even if his performance right now doesn't justify it, as we need to know if he has a future there. With our lack of options nows the time to give it every opportunity.

I can't agree with this sentiment any more strongly. Without the third man up there is such an opportunity to establish ruck dominance for a sustained four quarter period without running Grundy into the ground. Given that 210 cm+ second ruckman who can take a mark are pretty rare I think Cox is pretty safe to be in the side for a while.

 

[loki04]

At the the risk of channeling Robert Walls but given Moores indifferent form this year I would be suggesting.........


"Give him a run in the ruck"

Nah bugger that prefer we swap him and Reid around in games pending match ups. Reid was in our bottom 5 possession winners vs Dogs for someone with such a great kick and decision making that is deplorable that we gave him a lock down role on Cloke.

The 2nd half of the game when it wasn't blatantly obvious our tall forwards weren't going to fire a shot and Reid wads basically un sighted in defence Buckley should of made the move to switch them.

Cox, Grundy and White are more then adequate ruckmen and cover for Grundy.

 

[loki04]

I can't agree with this sentiment any more strongly. Without the third man up there is such an opportunity to establish ruck dominance for a sustained four quarter period without running Grundy into the ground. Given that 210 cm+ second ruckman who can take a mark are pretty rare I think Cox is pretty safe to be in the side for a while.

You realise you are disagreeing yet saying basically the same thing.