Changes for Round 22?

[TheLeftFist8]

Those stats are all well and good, but the disposal efficiency of Reilly needs to be compared with one other factor - he is far and away the longest boot in our midfield, and sometimes it's worth trading some of the short range efficiency for a player who can just roost the ball long over a midfield flood, with relatively good accuracy given the length of the kick.

I agree that disposal efficiency is limited as a stat for the reason you mention. Not uncommon for defenders especially to get good efficiency with short kicks and useless handballs.

With regards to Reilly v Mackay, i reckon Mackay actually gains pretty good distance with his kicks and direct style of play. In fact, he really is a skinnier, better version of Reilly who will overtake him in a couple years with a few extra kilos on him. In saying that, it reflects my very high opinion of Mackay rather than a low opinion of Reilly. A fit Reilly without an injury interrupted year could be very damaging...but at present I'd go with Mackay.

 

[achancely]

I'll repost this from another thread:

St. Kilda - 26 hit-outs (23% efficiency)
King - 21 (19%)
Goddard - 2 (0%)
Other - 3

Adelaide - 27 hit-outs (30% efficiency)
Maric - 13 (31%); 5 disposals, 1 mark, 77%TOG
Moran - 10 (40%); 12 disposals, 7 marks, 72%TOG
Other - 4

Interesting reading hey!

I am getting tired of the pre-conceived bias against Moran based on a couple mis-timed leaps, a couple soft frees in his early games (which ruckman isn't pinged for crap frees), and the fact he is newer to the game...i am not claiming he is an elite ruck yet but he is far, far better than the scathing reviews people have given him.

Best rucking efficiency in the match!!!!!!

His major deficit at this stage is he in not a naturally 'hard at it' player like Maric but he makes up for it in field play with good positioning, linking up, very sound skills, strong marking, AND good ruckwork which is improving every game.

Watch the play not the reputation i reckon.

Thank you! Some sense!

 

[macca23]

Would go tall to stretch the Dogs, assuming weather reasonably OK. At times would play both Moran & Tippett forward.

Being saying for months Goody needs a rest before finals - this is the last chance & given players available makes sense.

Vince is a must return if fit.

Stiffy for me is the least deserving player at the moment. Make him fight his way back in.


In: Porplyzia, Vince, Tippett
Out. Dangerfield, Johncock, Goodwin

B: McLeod, Rutten, Bassett
HB: Massie, Bock, Doughty
C: Vince, van Berlo, Mackay
HF: Stevens, Gill, Porplyzia
F: Douglas, Moran, Edwards
R: Maric, Thompson, Shirley
I: Tippett, Symes, Reilly, Knights

Porps and Vince look certainties to come in.

Dangerfield is a certain out and I agree that Stiffy is the least deserving player to be in the team on form.

I'd like to see Tippett come back in but as it's the Bullies that we are playing, I'm not too confident that one will happen.

 

[betterthanu]

I'd like to see Tippett come back in but as it's the Bullies that we are playing, I'm not too confident that one will happen.

Really? Im kinda thinking he will come in because its the bullies. When we have beaten them recently we have been able to stretch them up forward. I think tippett would go very well against the Bulldogs defence.

 

[porpoise]

He was already off his best form, and was then forced to play a very different position - sure, he was a small forward when he started, but Rutten started as a Full Forward too, I would not expect him to make a successful instant transition to the opposite square either. The fact that he's a crumbing forward in an attack with little in the way of timber to feed under, and our forward entries against the Saints especially were suicidal, did not aid him at all.

With the return of both Vince and Porplyzia this week, and the menagerie of small and medium forwards the Dogs have, it's almost certain that Johncock will be returned to his best role in our defence - and hopefully, he can find some form back there as well.

Here here. Some common sense on Johncock for once. The Stiffler needs to go back to defence where he dominated early in the season, particularly with the Dogs forward setup as you say.
Also, I'd like to see Rutten on Hahn and Massie on Johnson (please not Shirley again).

 

[porpoise]

In Geelongs case a totally dominant midfield will cover a lot of deficiencies, they dominant through the corridor so any entry inside 50 is wide and under pressure, if I was a Geelong fwd with bartel, ablett, corey, ling etc lacing me out I could be quite medioce and get away with it.

Yes that's right, and was my original point. Get enough good quality ball coming through the corridor quickly and efficiently and you don't need superstar fowards; like Geelong you can get away having only above average (Mooney) and decidely average (Lonergan, N Ablett, Hawkins) tall forwards and still thrash sides.

Comments from T. Edwards come to a similar conclusion (http://www.afc.com.au/tabid/4417/Default.aspx?newsid=66248)
Seriously, some of the comments on this board about key forwards are at times obsessive, unrealistic, and unhelpful.

 

[porpoise]

For mine:

IN: Porplyzia, Vince, Tippett

OUT: Dangerfield, Douglas, Goodwin (if injured)/Reilly

IF Goodwin would benefit from a week off then he should get it, but i doubt it will happen.

Interesting to see a few calls in this thread for Goodwin to be dropped. Is his back really that bad or are people unhappy with his form ?

Curious to see then that Goody has secured votes in the last 2 matches in the Coaches association award. Against the Saints he got 5 votes and was our highest vote getter !! Most judges (myself included) did not even have him in the best players. Either we are underrating him or the coaches are giving him too much credit ??

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Interesting to see a few calls in this thread for Goodwin to be dropped. Is his back really that bad or are people unhappy with his form ?

Curious to see then that Goody has secured votes in the last 2 matches in the Coaches association award. Against the Saints he got 5 votes and was our highest vote getter !! Most judges (myself included) did not even have him in the best players. Either we are underrating him or the coaches are giving him too much credit ??

His form is good compared to a young player, but is below his own lofty standards (particularly his skill level imo), and he doesn't look to be moving as freely as normal.

Only to be omitted thru injury (which is unlikely). Will not be 'dropped'.

 

[maccas_no1]

Now you have simply lost all credibility ........do you care?

Captain will not be dropped

Douglas will not be dropped

Stevens will not be dropped

Agree the stupidty of posters on this board is beyond a joke.

Out: Dangerfeild In: Porps end of story.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Agree the stupidty of posters on this board is beyond a joke.

Out: Dangerfeild In: Porps end of story.

IF Vince is fit he WILL come in.

Who else will you all drop. Yes it's getting tight for selection as only Burton is out of our best side, and perhaps Tippett depending on how many talls you want.

So if Vince is fit you wouldn't select him?

That to me would be stupidity!

 

[Mismatched]

Agree the stupidty of posters on this board is beyond a joke.

Out: Dangerfeild In: Porps end of story.

How about Vince? Surely he makes it back in, has been listed as available by the club. Its not as clear cut as you would like to think, yes Douglas, Stevens and Goodwin are no chance of being dropped thats just stupid really, but someone would have to go to make way for Vince and perhaps even Tippet if its deemed that we need another tall forward.

Most likely for me:

In: Porplyzia, Vince
Out: Dangerfield, Reilly/Mackay/Johncock/? (Tough decision though)

 

[maccas_no1]

IF Vince is fit he WILL come in.

Who else will you all drop. Yes it's getting tight for selection as only Burton is out of our best side, and perhaps Tippett depending on how many talls you want.

So if Vince is fit you wouldn't select him?

That to me would be stupidity!

IF he is available yes, but you have justify pulling another player out and look atyour opposition, Bulldogs have a small defence so maybe Tippet is a better option to come in rather than Vince. As other people have posted Gill and Stevens are make shift forwards at best, how can we justify dropping Stevens when he is currently playing out of position????

 

[maccas_no1]

How about Vince? Surely he makes it back in, has been listed as available by the club. Its not as clear cut as you would like to think, yes Douglas, Stevens and Goodwin are no chance of being dropped thats just stupid really, but someone would have to go to make way for Vince and perhaps even Tippet if its deemed that we need another tall forward.

Most likely for me:

In: Porplyzia, Vince
Out: Dangerfield, Reilly/Mackay/Johncock/? (Tough decision though)

So why are those players scapegoats to be dropped???

NC will not and never has madehuge changes and this time around wont change, it unsettles the side too much especially this close to finals.

 

[WALL-e]

IMO

In: Porps, Vince, Tippett (needed a long bomb option so much last week)

Out: Danger, Massie, and I don't know...If someone is sore yeh

 

[TheLeftFist8]

IF he is available yes, but you have justify pulling another player out and look atyour opposition, Bulldogs have a small defence so maybe Tippet is a better option to come in rather than Vince. As other people have posted Gill and Stevens are make shift forwards at best, how can we justify dropping Stevens when he is currently playing out of position????

I never mentioned Stevens and i also would be aiming for the extra tall, not for this weeks game primarily as you can certainly be too tall against Bulldogs, but in prep for the finals.

I can justify pulling out about 10 players to give Vince a game! He is clearly in our best 22 and will definitely play.

So are you confirming that you would not select Vince this week. Or are you picking Tippett Easy to say some ins, what are the outs??

 

[TheLeftFist8]

So why are those players scapegoats to be dropped???

Sometimes, when the injury list is short, players are dropped when they don't deserve it.

Apart from Dangerfield no-one else 'deserves' to be dropped, but you have to select your best side.

24 doesn't go into 22.

 

[maccas_no1]

IMO

In: Porps, Vince, Tippett (needed a long bomb option so much last week)

Out: Danger, Massie, and I don't know...If someone is sore yeh

Kidding yourself pal, you need to watch more football

 

[maccas_no1]

I never mentioned Stevens and i also would be aiming for the extra tall, not for this weeks game primarily as you can certainly be too tall against Bulldogs, but in prep for the finals.

I can justify pulling out about 10 players to give Vince a game! He is clearly in our best 22 and will definitely play.

So are you confirming that you would not select Vince this week. Or are you picking Tippett Easy to say some ins, what are the outs??

Thank **** you anit coaching the AFC

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Thank **** you anit coaching the AFC

love your passion but you've piped up with your criticism...where's your answer...

i haven't seen your confirmed ins and outs...do you think Vince should be selected, as it has been pointed out he is available.

 

[WALL-e]

Kidding yourself pal, you need to watch more football

Was AT the game and watched my Tape of it when I got home. Haven't missed a crows game since 93 when I was only 7 so I think I watch enough of it.

He was flustered under pressure and was tipified when he got done for holding the pill (albeit he handballed, it was his lack of awareness to play on and weak attempt) he isn't soft as he's shown courage backing into packs etc but under pressure he panics.

against the wB and finals is presure time

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Thank **** you anit coaching the AFC

Structurally 10 is a stretch but at present I'd be directly omitting any of Danger, Douglas, Johncock, Mackay, Reilly, to fit him in the team. Knights and Symes 50-50.

There are others who are certainly below him as players but structurally wouldn't be omitted for him such as Massie, Stevens, Gill, Moran...

so there you go...Vince is better than those 10

 

[SydCrow]

In Porps, Vince
Out Danger, Mackay

Tough on Mackay but we have a surfeit of quality midfielders and he is last in line despite his good form. Reilly's clearance work and disposal (IMO he is the best kick in the side) are more important to the side that Mackay's silky skills on a wing.

 

[WALL-e]

Thank **** you anit coaching the AFC

You think Vince wouldn't be one of the best 12 players in the current side?

He's been very very good this year.

 

[Mismatched]

So why are those players scapegoats to be dropped???

NC will not and never has madehuge changes and this time around wont change, it unsettles the side too much especially this close to finals.

Vince is in my First 22 each and every day of the week, no ifs or buts about it, he is fit (http://afc.com.au/Season2008/Injuries/tabid/8711/default.aspx) so he will come in, simple as that.

Now sadly since we can't have 23 blokes on the field, one has to miss out and its tough, to tell you the truth, this is one of those weeks I'm happy I'm not the coach as a tough call will have to be made and whoever misses out will be seriously unlucky.

Why did I mention those 3, Mackay just because he's in his first year and they are quite often the first to go, Reilly and Johncock in their best form are first 22 players no doubt, at the moment however this is questionable and in the perfect world you'd keep them, but like for like Reilly and Vince are similar players, play a similar position and at the moment I'd take Vince over Reilly. Thats not to say there isn't another player who might miss out, football is a tough business and when our injury list is getting as short as it is blokes will miss out. Look at Geelong with the likes of Prismal, Varcoe, King/Blake last year, blokes miss out when perhaps they don't deserve it, thats the nature of the beast.

 

[maccas_no1]

love your passion but you've piped up with your criticism...where's your answer...

i haven't seen your confirmed ins and outs...do you think Vince should be selected, as it has been pointed out he is available.

Ive confirmed my ins and outs, I dont have room for Vince at this stage.