Changes for the 5th Test SCG

[The Falcon Strike]

Out: Watson, harris, Bailey
In: Faulkner, okeefe, doolan

Won't happen - and it assumes a SCG turner

 

[proka123]

No change, never try and fix what aint broke.

The common chorus of this discussion is that Bailey should be dropped, but I don't see the point when it's likely that he'll make way for arguably a more inept replacement. Whoever it is, what if he fails in both digs? Will we be once again knee-jerking and be begging for Bailey to return? Bailey's only 31 (which in my opinion is the equivalent of a mature aged recruit in the AFL in their mid-20s) and has only played 4 tests, so give him a ****ing break.

 

[gbatman]

Watson is our best ODI player. He won't be rested

I would think so but tests come before ODIs, well before. If playing the Sydney test means he misses an ODI game then he misses an ODI game. But I think he will play the Sydney test and miss no cricket, he looked fine batting, but he may not bowl in Sydney, there looked to be problems there.

 

[frankrizzo]

I wonder what happens if they do rest harris, is he then given a proper rest till the SA tests?

Or is he given a few weeks off and then he plays 20/20 or one day cricket again this summer?

If he misses a test just so he can play shorter forms later this summer then i don't really get it.

 

[Showbags]

A bloke who's had 4 chances and hasn't taken one of them. If the Australian selectors are serious his age is irrelevant, didn't take his chances and not pick him again.

He's not test standard, simple as that

What an absolutely brain dead post.

If it was up to you we wouldn't have seen Hayden, Langer, Steve Waugh, Martyn etc they would of been discarded as well.

Chris Rogers should be a lesson that you never stamp anyone's papers (especially someone who is 25) as they may eventually develop later in their career.

 

[eth-dog]

What an absolutely brain dead post.

If it was up to you we wouldn't have seen Hayden, Langer, Steve Waugh, Martyn etc they would of been discarded as well.

Chris Rogers should be a lesson that you never stamp anyone's papers (especially someone who is 25) as they may eventually develop later in their career.

Hayden had 2 chances and took the second, same with Langer, Waugh and Martyn. Not 4. 2. Buck is a completely different case. Hughes isn't test standard.

 

[Torz]

Hayden had 2 chances and took the second, same with Langer, Waugh and Martyn. Not 4. 2. Buck is a completely different case. Hughes isn't test standard.

People get dropped often out of AFL teams and end up being good players. I don't see your point.

A guy scoring that many first class runs isn't that common. Needs to be played in his suited batting position for starters.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Chris Rogers should be a lesson that you never stamp anyone's papers (especially someone who is 25) as they may eventually develop later in their career.

Not going to get into the Hughes debate, but on Rogers, he hasn't eventually developed later in his career. He's been piling them on with the same technique for well over a decade.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Apart from a dominant shield season........

He always dominates Shield. So what? He's been in and out of the side about four times now in four years. Leave him be for a couple of years, that's all. I'm sure he'll end up back in the team and probably for good, but not yet. It's ridiculous the way they treat him.

 

[Black Diamond]

I can't think of a batsman who has been dropped three times for form and still made it back to have a successful career.

Edit: How many times was Greg Blewett dropped? Got off to a flying start in the test arena with a century in each of his first two tests, and then only managed two more in a career of 46 tests.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

I wonder what happens if they do rest harris, is he then given a proper rest till the SA tests?

Or is he given a few weeks off and then he plays 20/20 or one day cricket again this summer?

If he misses a test just so he can play shorter forms later this summer then i don't really get it.

I feel the same way about Watson. I'd rather they missed the short formats than tests in Aus or SA. Watson doesn't need to make a bid to be in the World Cup team for ODI's or in the T20 best team, he's in them.

 

[bird_man]

No change, never try and fix what aint broke.

The common chorus of this discussion is that Bailey should be dropped, but I don't see the point when it's likely that he'll make way for arguably a more inept replacement. Whoever it is, what if he fails in both digs? Will we be once again knee-jerking and be begging for Bailey to return? Bailey's only 31 (which in my opinion is the equivalent of a mature aged recruit in the AFL in their mid-20s) and has only played 4 tests, so give him a ******* break./QUOTE]


He should have not been there in the first place. He was picked off the back of one day form and clearly doesn't have the technique for test cricket. He favours the onside and struggles terribly with anything on a good length outside off stump. There may not be batsmen knocking down the door but we could at least pick someone with a decent technique for test match cricket.

People seem to think we have all of a sudden solved all our problems because we have beaten an English side that has really been nothing short of pathetic. We should always look improving our side, especially considering we are about to play the best side in the world. Things will be different over there.

Steve Smith needs to find some consistency also or he will be under the pump. Has played some fantastic innings but they a few and far between at the moment. You can't hold down a test spot averaging low to mid 30's for too long. Saying that, I think he's worth giving time and will most likely make a test cricketer.

 

[Super Hans]

People who can't see that Hughes is a talent have no idea in my opinion.

He will play out the season in the shield, play a full season of county cricket, replace Rogers as our test opener and average 48+ for his career.

He shouldn't be in the team now. But his papers are certainly not stamped.

Happy to Doolan play this test with him/Watson batting at six in SA in place of Bailey.

 

[Torz]

Out: Watson, harris, Bailey
In: Faulkner, okeefe, doolan

Won't happen - and it assumes a SCG turner

O'Keefe still wouldn't spin it.

 

[sherb]

I can't think of a batsman who has been dropped three times for form and still made it back to have a successful career.

Edit: How many times was Greg Blewett dropped? Got off to a flying start in the test arena with a century in each of his first two tests, and then only managed two more in a career of 46 tests.

Langer comes to mind.

 

[Showbags]

Hayden had 2 chances and took the second, same with Langer, Waugh and Martyn. Not 4. 2. Buck is a completely different case. Hughes isn't test standard.

I can only think of 3 chances (he got dropped unfairly in England in 09, he got fairly dropped in the Caught Guptill/Bowled Martin affair, and was dropped after losing 4-0 in India (why he got dropped first before Cowan is a joke in a poor under performing team).

Langer, Hayden and Martyn all made their returns (after being dropped) later in age and debuted older.

Matt Hayden debuted in 1994 at 22 (Hughes debuted at 20) and didn't cement his spot till he was 29 (India in 2001 was his breakout series).

Justin Langer debuted in 1993 at 22 and didn't cement his spot in the team till he was 29 (against Pakistan in 1999).

Damien Martyn debuted in 1992 at 21 and didn't cement his spot in the team till he was 29 (against England in 2001).

Steve Waugh debuted in 1985 at 20 and didn't cement his spot in the team till he was 28 (against England in 1993).

Are you seeing a pattern here? Your own argument just backfired on you and reveals your ignorance.

Not only this but each of these players were playing in a much more settled side than Hughes has (with the exception of Waugh). Going by your own history Hughes shouldn't be written off till he is 29/30.

If Hughes had been playing in a settled side his life would of been a lot easier. Instead he has been asked to shoulder a massive burden of pressure not just on himself but the team's poor performances as well. Not only that he has been shunted up and down the order nonsensically all his career.

 

[Hellgood]

Whilst I am also tending to side with the popular view that Bailey doesn't look like a test batsman, to be the devils advocate, he had similar starts to his T20 and ODI careers where he looked a bit out of his depth and copped a lot of very similar criticism (including from me). He came out of those initial phases exceptionally well, so why can't he do it at test level?

My reasoning is that his footwork to the quicks isn't up to scratch - but would be interested to hear others thoughts.

 

[Black Diamond]

Langer comes to mind.

I'm pretty sure Langer was only dropped twice for form: once really early on and then once more before he replaced Slater.

The other times were a case of him coming in for an injured player and then going out when that player was ready again e.g. after Matthew Elliot and Mark Waugh collided, Langer replaced Elliot.

 

[Super Hans]

Hughes being dropped in the two ashes series that he did was a joke, IMO the only time he has deserved to be dropped is when he kept getting out to Chris Martin. Anyway, that's in the past.

I hope Doolan can grab his chance if he plays, I think we will go with.

Warner
Rogers
Watson (batting only)
Clarke
Smith
Haddin
Faulkner
Johnson
Siddle
NCN
Lyon

I'd rather see Doolan in for Watson, play it safe with injuries.

 

[The_Reaper]

I can only think of 3 chances (he got dropped unfairly in England in 09, he got fairly dropped in the Caught Guptill/Bowled Martin affair, and was dropped after losing 4-0 in India (why he got dropped first before Cowan is a joke in a poor under performing team).

r.

Shouldn't have played against New Zealand in the first place. Was selected off a sub 20 average shield season for NSW.

 

[Black Diamond]

Matt Hayden debuted in 1994 at 22 (Hughes debuted at 20) and didn't cement his spot till he was 29 (India in 2001 was his breakout series).

Justin Langer debuted in 1993 at 22 and didn't cement his spot in the team till he was 29 (against Pakistan in 1999).

Damien Martyn debuted in 1992 at 21 and didn't cement his spot in the team till he was 29 (against England in 2001).

Steve Waugh debuted in 1985 at 20 and didn't cement his spot in the team till he was 28 (against England in 1993).

Are you seeing a pattern here? Your own argument just backfired on you and reveals your ignorance.

There is no pattern with those players. The only similarity is that after being dropped they all spent a long time out of the side before getting another game. It's now Hughes' turn to do what they did: pile on the runs for a couple of years before getting another cap.

 

[Zgope1]

Hughes being dropped in the two ashes series that he did was a joke, IMO the only time he has deserved to be dropped is when he kept getting out to Chris Martin. Anyway, that's in the past.

I hope Doolan can grab his chance if he plays, I think we will go with.

Warner
Rogers
Watson (batting only)
Clarke
Smith
Haddin
Faulkner
Johnson
Siddle
NCN
Lyon

I'd rather see Doolan in for Watson, play it safe with injuries.

Bang. Correct.

People have their heads in the sand re: Phil Hughes he should never have been dropped this last time

 

[Super Hans]

It's now Hughes' turn to do what they did: pile on the runs for a couple of years before getting another cap.

There's a difference between this and having his 'papers stamped' (not sure if you said that, but someone did).

 

[Atley]

A big no to O'Keefe, yuck!

 

[LukeParkerno1]

There's a difference between this and having his 'papers stamped' (not sure if you said that, but someone did).

Needs to show he can play spinners well, every side has an elite spinner that will get him out more often or not...and this year again he keeps getting out to spin. Needs 2-4 season. Needs to play 2-3 County seasons.