Changes / Team for 2010

[Smoooothy]

So what now

Now that September is free, what do we do with the list (please keep in mind, i don't know who's contracted to what) - I will omit any of the obvious "keepers"

I think the writing is on the wall for Tyson, he made some terrible mistakes tonight, and i would hate to see him go on for that one extra year and look a shadow of his former self

Goodwin, real toughie, his best is very good, but i don't think he's much of a leader of the group, if he stays on, relinquish the captaincy so you can concentrate on your footy

Macca, has shown enough to warrant one more year, his last month has been great, all though tonight I thought he went missing when it mattered

Burton, I fear a tough call may be made on him, age is against him, but he's certainly capable - Torney rule maybe?

Doughty, untouchable, deserves to stay on for at least 1 more season

Shirley, another tough one, the writing on the wall at teh beginning of the year, maybe time for the club to go in another direction

Griffen, Trade bait

Sellar, contract contract contract

Thats all i can think of at the moment...

 

[Alex99]

Re: So what now

I don’t think tonight result will change anything. I hope the long term plan they have been implementing over the last 2 or 3 years still take effect and knee jerk reactions not looked at.

If they feel the big 3 can go on, give them one more year. But a few changes need to be made as it clearly showed we are not quite good enough and new opportunity need to be given to Walker, Davis, and co.

 

[Crowfoot]

Re: So what now

I have been of the opinion that this will be the Birdmans last year. Tonight just reinforces that. At least he gets a MOTY before he goes.

The crows 30+ players were all down tonight but Edward's errors tonight proved very costly. This is the occasion we we most depend on experienced players to bring that experience to the table, not cave under pressure.


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[spexau]

Re: So what now

Burton's time is looming. Hentschell was alright, maybe lacked fitness. Sellar was fine. Shirely offers nothing offensively, Sloane should be groomed.

Goodwin, McLeod and Edwards is tricky. I have a feeling McLeod may hang his boots up anyway so the other 2 can stay.

 

[rufus_afc]

Re: So what now

There are no knee jerk reactions, but what I saw tonight time for Burton and Shirley to get the tap on the shoulder.

How many years will we continue to lose finals before the club realises we arent going to win a flag with a side based around them or are we going to go for a fourpeat next year ???

 

[bus24]

Re: So what now

Cull a Crow time.

Hentschel - Under pressure he was slow, cumbersome and awful, frankly. Complete liability - and Malthouse exploited him wonderfully. Maxwell wiped the floor with him - and hurt us incredibly badly.

Now for the over 30s.


McLeod was rubbish for most of the year - bar a few minnow bashing performances. Soft under pressure. Send him on his way.


Goodwin 50/50. Some good stuff late in the year - but just some horrendous mistakes all year long. That ball that bounced off his chest, straight to Dick in the defensive goalsquare tonight was just absolutely terrible.

Edwards was ****ing useless tonight - But he's had easily the best year out of the 3 of them. I think he could go around again, but only if there's no guarantees on him playing.


Burton - Adios. Lazy, unaccountable showpony. Doesn't contribute nearly enough. Thanks for the memories - but look to the future.


Interestign times ahead. I think 2 of the 30+ brigade have to walk. McLeod and Burton for me.

Along with Hentschel (harsh, but fair IMO - given his lack of mobility these days), Gallman, Gill and probably Shirley.

With Reilly up for trade.

So that's 6 delistings (not trades) - which might be too many given the pissweak draft.


Upgrade Martin, certainly. The future of one of the 6 IMO will rely on whether they think Henderson has shown enough for promotion. Arguable. Hentschel probably saved by the poor draft pool, and maybe someone like Kite - who's shown nothing this year, really.


Very interesting times ahead, but two of the over 30s have to go.

 

[Glenno23]

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Saying Hentschel to be delisted is utter, utter tripe.

The club has backed him to get over his injury and supported him through a tough time. 1 bad game and it's time to go

The club is not going to delist him now he is back and playing uninjured. If they were going to delist, it would have been done 12 months back. He has shown he will be fine. Get a full pre season into him and get Trent "Potential" Hentschel back. The one we all know and love. The one who kicked 8 against the Bombers.

For mine Burton to go, and one of Macca or Edwards. I think we can replace Edwards far easier (Sloane for example), and Macca has shown to be a game breaker in the past month. I'm not too sure any of our kids could do his job just yet.

Goody gets 1 more year, but not as captain. Who to step up? Thompson would be great IMO.

How many delistings we need?

Burton, Edwards, Gallman, Gill at the moment.

Edit: Add Shirley to Delistings. The big 3 to go round once more?

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Re: So what now

Reilly must be moved on after that soft, uncompetitive performance.

 

[Smoooothy]

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forgot about gill, definately has served his purpose. was good while it lasted (and he can now concentrate on playing for the mighty roosters!!)

 

[macca23]

Re: So what now

As I posted elsewhere ....

All of these lads showed that they're capable of playing at the very highest level under the greatest pressure, and if some of our veterans e.g. Burton, McLeod and Hentschel had played as well we wouldn't have lost. Edwards got a lot of it but his use of the ball was ordinary at times.

IMO the club has to, and probably will, have another look as to whether it allows all of its 5 players aged 30 or more to go on. or at least suggest they have another look at it as to whether they go on or not.

We have to make room for Walker, Davis and McKernan next year, which puts a question mark against Burton and Hentschel, with the greatest question mark on Burton IMO.

Shirley had a good first half against Didak, but lost him in the 2nd half. Sloane and Cook will be pressing for spots, so Shirley will be under pressure as well.

IMO Edwards should consider retirement as well while we remember him as a great player. He had a magnificent first two thirds of the year, but in the last few weeks he has lost a lot of mobility and flexibility and is starting to get caught a bit or making disposal clangers

Goodwin, McLeod and Hentschel would be my 3 to go on, but I'd be trying to get Edwards, Burton and Shirley into retirement before they end up embarrassing themselves.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Re: So what now

I'm going to stick up for Burton and Hentschel here.

If we're going to persist with Craig's moronic intent for 'deep' forward fifty entries and just bomb the ball on top of our forwards heads, then we will never be successful. Our forwards will never kick goals and only the league's weakest defenses will be troubled by us. Even Tippett struggled to mark the ball tonight.

Jonathon Brown and Justin Koschitzke are the only two players in the league with the ability to excel with that sort of delivery.

If Mick Malthouse could have been granted one wish tonight, he would have asked for Adelaide to please bomb it long to Presti and Maxwell. And we did. Repeatedly.

For me, keep McLeod, Goodwin, Edwards, Burton, Doughty and Hentschel.

Delist Shirley.

Trade Stevens.

 

[russellmuscle]

Re: So what now

Rumour continues that Carlton are keen on Reilly. What sort of trade would we need ot get him?

 

[frednerk33]

Re: So what now

If we're going to persist with Craig's moronic intent for 'deep' forward fifty entries and just bomb the ball on top of our forwards heads, then we will never be successful. Our forwards will never kick goals and only the league's weakest defenses will be troubled by us. Even Tippett struggled to mark the ball tonight.

Agree with some of your suggestions, however to paint anything other than your pet notion as moronic says more about you than it does anything else.

 

[Cap]

Re: So what now

You would think that the reality check that we got tonight would see us try and get the list right for 2010.

 

[WALL-e]

Re: So what now

Rumour continues that Carlton are keen on Reilly. What sort of trade would we need ot get him?

Gibbs or GTFO!



Garlett?

Want a crumber!

Don't want to give Rielly up cheap though, if at all, his field kicking is great, his spot up of Thompson in the second was fantastic.

 

[WhySoSerious]

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Gutted...

Time to look ahead though, and look at the positives of this year.

We've gotten some substantial games, and finals at that into some of these younger guys. Guys like Danger, Otten, Mackay, etc. will only improve.

Burton, Have loved him and cheered him on as much as the next guy. But I feel his time is up. Worked extremely hard to get back, and it may seem harsh delisting a bloke who has been performing well but we need to look forward. May fall victim to the 30+ rule.

Stevens, this is extremely harsh but I feel he may be finished. This is not a knee jerk reaction from tonights game. FWIW he did do some good, and he did do some bad but I feel as with Burton persisting with him will stall the development of some of the other guys. Perfect swingman and to be honest I will not be one bit dissapointed if he stays. Was the only real shining light in last years final and has more than proven his worth to the team. You do need blokes like him in the team but I just get the feeling he may start to lose his value. As I said, im really unsure about this.

Shirley. Hes a champion and as stated by some of his peers he is extremely hard to get away from. But is that it? Can he be replaced with someone who can do the same but better?

The old brigade.....Who knows. Have all played well this year and hard to cut any of them especially figures like these at the club. Would be happy to see them all go around again, the question is can they do it and perform?

Walker. Will play next year no doubt. We all know how good he is/can be and between him and bug Kurt, they will haunt opposition defenders for years to come!

Other young guns Davis, Mckernan, Sloane, will be eager to grab a spot. This forms the basis of my Stevens, Burton rationale. Can these kids come in and do the job if not better? Realistically, probaly not. But, we need to do this sometime and the further its delayed the harder it will become.

Gee, what else? So many players, so little spots. ATM this is where we sit. We have performing players who are more than capable of doing their job, but we also have other guys waiting in the wings who all have 'potential' but really havent proven they deserve to take these spots.

I really dont know..... Mass headaches all round.
(Also realised I have asked a lot of questions and havent really answered anything)

 

[PCORF]

Re: So what now

This team has no hope unless it can start believing. I don't want a repeat of 2007 in 2010.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Re: So what now

Agree with some of your suggestions, however to paint anything other than your pet notion as moronic says more about you than it does anything else.

Passing the ball to your forwards is not a pet notion of mine. I would never claim it as such. In fact, I think you'll find it is a fairly prevalent trait in every good team who has ever played the game at any level.

Craig explained that he doesn't want shallow forward fifty entries because if the opposition wins the ball then they can rebound quickly. Whereas if we attack the goal square, if we turn it over then we have more of a chance of defending the rebound.

So, basically he is saying that we must construct our forward fifty entries based on what is going to cause the least damage when we stuff it up. Which is completely backwards IMO. And we have dud flavours on here saying "Porplyzia didn't have a very good game tonight..." No shit. A 178cm leading forward didn't take pack grabs outnumbered against taller defenders? Wowser.

 

[taylor_walker_13]

Re: So what now

Reilly must be moved on after that soft, uncompetitive performance.

Should have been traded at the end of last year, very very soft player.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: So what now

All of these lads showed that they're capable of playing at the very highest level under the greatest pressure, and if some of our veterans e.g. Burton, McLeod and Hentschel had played as well we wouldn't have lost. Edwards got a lot of it but his use of the ball was ordinary at times.

IMO the club has to, and probably will, have another look as to whether it allows all of its 5 players aged 30 or more to go on. or at least suggest they have another look at it as to whether they go on or not.

We have to make room for Walker, Davis and McKernan next year, which puts a question mark against Burton and Hentschel, with the greatest question mark on Burton IMO.

Shirley had a good first half against Didak, but lost him in the 2nd half. Sloane and Cook will be pressing for spots, so Shirley will be under pressure as well.

IMO Edwards should consider retirement as well while we remember him as a great player. He had a magnificent first two thirds of the year, but in the last few weeks he has lost a lot of mobility and flexibility and is starting to get caught a bit or making disposal clangers

Goodwin, McLeod and Hentschel would be my 3 to go on, but I'd be trying to get Edwards, Burton and Shirley into retirement before they end up embarrassing themselves.

This sums up my thinking too. We need to make room for some players next season.

Need to make room up forward for Walker & to a lesser extent McKernan. For me Burton is most vulnerable. I would keep Hentschel, even if for insurance.

Midfield - time for Shirley to go. Been a great servant, but we have more promising/talented players coming through. I think either 1 of Edwards & McLeod will/should retire. Need to make room for Otten, Dangerfield, Sloane, etc to come into the midfield mix. Porps should stay up forward though!

Otten moving into the midfield, means we can play Davis in a back pocket as this guy needs to fast-tracked as an exciting talent. Would keep Stevens as is adaptable & reliable, unless a good trade came along. I wouldn't be looking at trading any of our players, unless they want out.

 

[relapse]

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This sums up my thinking too. We need to make room for some players next season.

Need to make room up forward for Walker & to a lesser extent McKernan. For me Burton is most vulnerable. I would keep Hentschel, even if for insurance.

Midfield - time for Shirley to go. Been a great servant, but we have more promising/talented players coming through. I think either 1 of Edwards & McLeod will/should retire. Need to make room for Otten, Dangerfield, Sloane, etc to come into the midfield mix. Porps should stay up forward though!

Otten moving into the midfield, means we can play Davis in a back pocket as this guy needs to fast-tracked as an exciting talent. Would keep Stevens as is adaptable & reliable, unless a good trade came along. I wouldn't be looking at trading any of our players, unless they want out.

agree with all your points. I wouldnt trade Reilly or Stevens either (though Stevens' position in our 22 could be in danger depending on Davis next year)

 

[smoovy]

Re: So what now

Passing the ball to your forwards is not a pet notion of mine. I would never claim it as such. In fact, I think you'll find it is a fairly prevalent trait in every good team who has ever played the game at any level.

Craig explained that he doesn't want shallow forward fifty entries because if the opposition wins the ball then they can rebound quickly. Whereas if we attack the goal square, if we turn it over then we have more of a chance of defending the rebound.

So, basically he is saying that we must construct our forward fifty entries based on what is going to cause the least damage when we stuff it up. Which is completely backwards IMO. And we have dud flavours on here saying "Porplyzia didn't have a very good game tonight..." No shit. A 178cm leading forward didn't take pack grabs outnumbered against taller defenders? Wowser.

We never changed the way the ball was brought into our forwards throughout the night. The difference was the way Collingwood manufactured the loose man. In the first quarter Collingwood was all over the place trying to work it out as Shaw was playing as a 2 on 1 against Tippett, I have never seen so much finger pointing. This worked to our advantage when the ball was brought to ground. After quarter time Malthouse stopped sitting Shaw in front of Tippett and him and Maxwell shared loose man duties which helped them bring the ball out of defence.

Here I think Craig should have bit the bullet and manned them all up in a 7 man forward line, this would have helped to stop their rebound.

That all said though basically our 'frontal pressure' and our ability to win the ball just dropped off dramatically in thr 3rd.

 

[BACCS]

Re: So what now

Cull a Crow time.

Hentschel - Under pressure he was slow, cumbersome and awful, frankly. Complete liability - and Malthouse exploited him wonderfully. Maxwell wiped the floor with him - and hurt us incredibly badly.

Now for the over 30s.


McLeod was rubbish for most of the year - bar a few minnow bashing performances. Soft under pressure. Send him on his way.


Goodwin 50/50. Some good stuff late in the year - but just some horrendous mistakes all year long. That ball that bounced off his chest, straight to Dick in the defensive goalsquare tonight was just absolutely terrible.

Edwards was ****ing useless tonight - But he's had easily the best year out of the 3 of them. I think he could go around again, but only if there's no guarantees on him playing.


Burton - Adios. Lazy, unaccountable showpony. Doesn't contribute nearly enough. Thanks for the memories - but look to the future.


Interestign times ahead. I think 2 of the 30+ brigade have to walk. McLeod and Burton for me.

Along with Hentschel (harsh, but fair IMO - given his lack of mobility these days), Gallman, Gill and probably Shirley.

With Reilly up for trade.

So that's 6 delistings (not trades) - which might be too many given the pissweak draft.


Upgrade Martin, certainly. The future of one of the 6 IMO will rely on whether they think Henderson has shown enough for promotion. Arguable. Hentschel probably saved by the poor draft pool, and maybe someone like Kite - who's shown nothing this year, really.


Very interesting times ahead, but two of the over 30s have to go.

You are just a heartless supporter bus24. Making kneejerk calls after a disappointing loss. What would you be saying if we had won? Fair points on some players but edwards and macca, seriously. The only ones I can see legitamely go is hentschell, Shirley and maybe Burton. The rest warrant one more year, and goodwin was nearly our best tonight, your call is disgraceful. Take a hard look at yourself and see if you really want to be part of Adelaides journey. Otherwise go support a rabble like port who accept this crap.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: So what now

I've heard a VERY strong rumour that Reilly already knows that he is a big chance to be traded at this years end.

I reckon you are making crap up as no way AFC would be talking trades of players in our 22 before our season was over.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Re: So what now

I reckon you are making crap up as no way AFC would be talking trades of players in our 22 before our season was over.

Maybe not to the players themselves but I think the staff would be contemplating and discussing which players could/should be traded towards the end of the season.