Changes this week

[davey_magik]

Out: Ward, Robbo?
In: Bate/CJ, Dutchy?

It seems a few people want Robbo out, he is clearly injured and I would agree with resting him for a week or two to get himself right. Dutchy can provide another goalscoring option and can even go down back if needed. Bate should come in for Ward but if he didn't we could have CJ in.
I don't want to drop any defenders because Dutchy could go down back if they started playing a ruckman forward but they don't realy have one who can do damage except perhaps if Doyle played.
Will Beamer be right or should he be rested for another week? Because I can't see him coming in if Bate came in as well unless Warnock was dropped and I think he deserves another run. Bartram probably deserves another go as well.

 

[melbournemartin]

cant think of anyone to put warnock on, he looked lost yesterday.

I'd definatly have Bate in over CJ.

 

[Marns]

NO

Dutchy is sh1t. I dont care how well he is playing for Sandy, they are in the VFL, not the AFL. The competition is much easier for holland down there than it is up here. Dutchy really provides no goalscoring option. He has to have one of the worst shots on goal in the league, he would simply be a waste of space in our forward line. I'd rather see Bate put up forward if there's no room in the midfield.

 

[melbournemartin]

robbo wont get dropped so even if you guys think he should be, don't bother taking it into consideration cos I garuntee it wont happen unless he does an injury or pulls up really sore.

and yeah dutchey would be a waste. i'd much rather bring in jones/moloney/bate n chuck em in the midfield pushing Green up forward (though he did have a good game in the middle yesterday)

 

[chooker]

NO

Dutchy is sh1t. I dont care how well he is playing for Sandy, they are in the VFL, not the AFL. The competition is much easier for holland down there than it is up here. Dutchy really provides no goalscoring option. He has to have one of the worst shots on goal in the league, he would simply be a waste of space in our forward line. I'd rather see Bate put up forward if there's no room in the midfield.

Marns, Marns, Marns. Do you know much about football? I think not. I rarely post on the Melbourne board but i feel i need to.

Ben 'Buckets' Holland, as i affectionately call him is an integral part of the MFC line-up. He is the focal point up forward that we desparately need, to take the focus off an injured Robbo and, until recently an underperforming, Neitz. He does all the 1%er's that our forward line needs, blocks, shepherds, chases, hit-outs, giving a contest, crashing the packs, tackles etc. His kicking is spasmodic, but he can kick the ball well when he's on song, kicking 5 (i think) against the Saints last year. Did we have a viable target at CHF yesterday when Miller went to the backline?? No. Buckets would give us the target we need.

He's the best pack mark we have and probably the biggest biceps in the league.

As much as i love buckets, he would not be of much use at the SCG as the ground is too small for him. Hold him back til we play the Roos at the 'G in 2 weeks.

He's in our best 22 and should be a vital part of the MFC structure in 2006.

 

[Deestroy]

robbo wont get dropped so even if you guys think he should be, don't bother taking it into consideration cos I garuntee it wont happen unless he does an injury or pulls up really sore.

and yeah dutchey would be a waste. i'd much rather bring in jones/moloney/bate n chuck em in the midfield pushing Green up forward (though he did have a good game in the middle yesterday)

No one is saying DROP Robbo, people are suggesting he won't play because he is INJURED.

 

[Marns]

Quote:
Marns, Marns, Marns. Do you know much about football? I think not. I rarely post on the Melbourne board but i feel i need to.

Ben 'Buckets' Holland, as i affectionately call him is an integral part of the MFC line-up. He is the focal point up forward that we desparately need, to take the focus off an injured Robbo and, until recently an underperforming, Neitz. He does all the 1%er's that our forward line needs, blocks, shepherds, chases, hit-outs, giving a contest, crashing the packs, tackles etc. His kicking is spasmodic, but he can kick the ball well when he's on song, kicking 5 (i think) against the Saints last year. Did we have a viable target at CHF yesterday when Miller went to the backline?? No. Buckets would give us the target we need.
We didn't have a target at CHF, but you know what a REALLY, REALLY good solution to that problem is? Perhaps play our CHF AT CHF!! I know this is groundbreaking stuff, that might be confusing to some, but that might just be a great idea.

As for the theory that he does all of the 1%ers etc, how about getting ND to tell our forwardline to do that, otherwise they WILL be dropped for a dud like dutchy. Its not like those guys dont know how to do those things, they just dont do them. And it's not worth it bring in someone who does the 1%ers as you say, yet is incapable of kicking straight, unless he is having a very, very good day.

He's the best pack mark we have and probably the biggest biceps in the league.
He's as soft as butter. I don't care how bloody big his arms are, he does not know how to use them.

As much as i love buckets, he would not be of much use at the SCG as the ground is too small for him. Hold him back til we play the Roos at the 'G in 2 weeks.
Please don't call him "buckets", it is an insult to Stewy Loewe.

He's in our best 22 and should be a vital part of the MFC structure in 2006.
= Your punchline.

 

[Sylvia Saint]

B. Bizzell Miller Whelan
HB. Brown Rivers Wheatley
C. Johnstone McLean Bartram
HF. Pickett Robertson Yze
F. Davey Neitz Green
R. White Sylvia Bruce

Int. Carroll, McDonald, Bate, PJ

Ins. Bate, Bizzell, PJ
Outs. Ward, Warnock, Jamar

Possibly Holland instead of Bizzell, but we need some 'calmness' down back and seeing as we rushed in a rookie after a 6 week layoff, the same should apply to Bizzell (presuming he's available) who is still in our best 18 I reckon.

 

[CaptainDavey]

Might seem rather silly by why not bring in Godfrey? He did well last year at the SCG playing thier style of game (Along with Junior, Syl and Brock) and he's a tackling specialist able to run with Sydney's playmakers and his endurance isn't a worry at all I think. Unless he's injured I wouldn't see him as being a bad inclusion. Brent Moloney too for his hardness, unless he's still unfit?

And as a bit of a side note, Nathan Jones a chance to play? Not this round in particular but any in the near future? I've been very impressed with Clint 'Tracy' Bartram

 

[Deestroy]

If Godfrey gets a game this year you know we are finishing bottom 3.

 

[goDees22]

In: Moloney, Bate
Out: Ward, someone else

 

[Slander]

In: Bizzell, Bate
Out: McDonald, Ward

 

[w00dy]

In: Bizzell, Bate
Out: McDonald, Ward

drop mcdonald? you're kidding yourself...

 

[melbournemartin]

warnock out maybe

 

[CowboyFromHell]

It all depends on the match ups this week. I think Warnock will be given another game, although I think it depends on the fitness of Bizzell. I would expect Rivers to get O'Loughlin again, and Carroll will probably get the job on Hall unless we go with Miller again (which I think we should.)

I'm not all for playing Miller down back, but when he has been forward, what has he done? Sweet FA. When we played him down forward for a half he did jack and to be honest, all this crap about ND playing him out of position is exactly that - crap. He KNOWS how to play down back, where he started for us (and played as a junior), and he KNOWS how to play forward. He is WAAAAAAY out of form, and we stuck him down back to stop the bleeding. It worked.

I like Dutchy too, and calling him a dud is rubbish as well. He can take a MARK, something we have lacked, and he can ruck well in the forward line. No, he isn't quick and he isn't classy, but he KNOWS how to play the game. He is smart on the lead and a team player. I'd like to think he would play this week, and if he does it will probably mean Miller will play on Hall again and Warnock will miss out.

In: Holland, Moloney
Out: Warnock, Ward.

 

[whats_crackin]

sorry marns im also going to have to disagree with you about Holland. You cant call the guy soft, yes he is a head case when it comes to kicking a goal within 20m, but outside that hes great, works up the ground and adds the 1%ers (including alot of sheppards) that we very much lack whilst taking away another of their taller defenders. I think the guy gets a rough deal by a few ppl, imo i think he doesnt need to kick the goals, he can be the hard working big man in the foward half, decoy for neitz if you will.

anyways i think it should be:
bate for ward
and moloney should come in but dont know who to replace him with as yet!
i think holland will miss out as warnock will probably retain his spot in defence, but i hope daniher proves me wrong!

 

[chooker]

Quote:
We didn't have a target at CHF, but you know what a REALLY, REALLY good solution to that problem is? Perhaps play our CHF AT CHF!! I know this is groundbreaking stuff, that might be confusing to some, but that might just be a great idea.

As for the theory that he does all of the 1%ers etc, how about getting ND to tell our forwardline to do that, otherwise they WILL be dropped for a dud like dutchy. Its not like those guys dont know how to do those things, they just dont do them. And it's not worth it bring in someone who does the 1%ers as you say, yet is incapable of kicking straight, unless he is having a very, very good day.

He's the best pack mark we have and probably the biggest biceps in the league.
He's as soft as butter. I don't care how bloody big his arms are, he does not know how to use them.

As much as i love buckets, he would not be of much use at the SCG as the ground is too small for him. Hold him back til we play the Roos at the 'G in 2 weeks.
Please don't call him "buckets", it is an insult to Stewy Loewe.

He's in our best 22 and should be a vital part of the MFC structure in 2006.
= Your punchline.

Why do i even bother? Why? To try and teach you about football in a hope you'll better understand our great game.

To me, Buckets, will always be Ben Holland. To you, Stewie Loewe may be Buckets. Each to his/her own. Buckets takes

Buckets' kicking is over scrutinised as being weak. He kicked 18.11 from 17 games last year, compared to Millers' 6.4 from 18 games. Benny's kicking is not as weak as many 'want' it to be. And he would produce as many clangers and Miller does per game. Buckets', not unlike Nicho, is constantly being seen as a scapegoat for Melbourne's poor performances. A player's willingness to do 1%er's is under-estimated, Buckets constantly puts others before himself and still plays good and consistent games. His 1%er's may include the 39 tackles he laid last year.

Buckets is under-estimated in the importance of our structure, when Miller is forced down back, he will step up and create an option at CHF. Miller might not be the best option at CHF to win us a premiership, as his inability to kick the ball well and lack of footy smarts is detrimental to his career. But Buckets also isn't the best option to win us a premiership. I believe premiership sides have a dominant, powerhouse and goalkicking CHF, we don't have one yet.

Long live Buckets.

 

[melbournemartin]

Miller played as a CHF up in QLD as a junior and he just looks a bit lost at CHB and can't keep on on a lead.

When looking long term, we need a CHF as we already have RIvers who is a beter CHB prospect anyway

 

[davey_magik]

Miller should not go on Hall unless he starts killing Carroll.

 

[Bartram_Class]

I'm with Sylvia Saint.

Ins. Bate, Bizzell, PJ
Outs. Ward, Warnock, Jamar

On the SCG, we dont need any more talls than we already have. If Robbo doesnt come up, then we can bring in Dutchy, otherwise he's just a back-up.

 

[cannons]

I'm with Sylvia Saint.

Ins. Bate, Bizzell, PJ
Outs. Ward, Warnock, Jamar

On the SCG, we dont need any more talls than we already have. If Robbo doesnt come up, then we can bring in Dutchy, otherwise he's just a back-up.

I think that set of changes sounds pretty good.
Although, I do like Ward as a player. I find it hard to believe how many people say he needs to be delisted etc. He is a really handy player and on his day he absolutely dominates. He was pretty decent against the dogs, about 20 touches. Where does this hate of Ward stem from?

 

[Bartram_Class]

That Dogs game, he did get cleaned up by Murphy though.

 

[Deestroy]

I don't know about PJ in for Jamar. As a ruckman Jamar hasn't been too bad lately.

Other than that I agree with everyone else.

IN: Bate, Bizzell OUT: Ward, Warnock

If Bizzell doesn't come up leave Warnock in, if Robbo doesn't come up bring Holland in.

 

[wsm28]

I'm with Sylvia Saint.

Ins. Bate, Bizzell, PJ
Outs. Ward, Warnock, Jamar

On the SCG, we dont need any more talls than we already have. If Robbo doesnt come up, then we can bring in Dutchy, otherwise he's just a back-up.

After Pj's performance in Rd 1 i think he needs to get his confidence up in the VFL for a couple more rounds before he replaces Jamar. Does anyone know how he is performing i saw his name in the bests for the w/e.