Changes vs Richmond

[womble54]

Interested people are trying to assess Toyds game. I just think it's pointless to try to qualify it this year. If he can show signs for 15-18 games that's enough for me. Needs at least one more year under his belt before the coaches will have much of an idea where he's headed. He looked as ok as you could expect any 19 year old behometh to look last week. Did some good team things, kicked a goal, that's plenty at this stage.

 

[doggies ftw]

I think Cordy will add a lot to the forward set up, he does a lot of unrewarded work off the ball like blocks and what not which should really help Boyd. He's also starting to show some aggression, really really keen to see how he goes this week, let's hope for the best.

We can still move Boyd to CHF or even behind the ball to get him into the game too.

We know Bev wants to win and it looks like you're going to have to perform to keep your spot, but what happens if Cordy throws up a Redpath like performance and Reddy performs in the 2s. Surely we have to back one in for a few games?

 

[Gmod23]

I think Cordy will add a lot to the forward set up, he does a lot of unrewarded work off the ball like blocks and what not which should really help Boyd. He's also starting to show some aggression, really really keen to see how he goes this week, let's hope for the best.

We can still move Boyd to CHF or even behind the ball to get him into the game too.

We know Bev wants to win and it looks like you're going to have to perform to keep your spot, but what happens if Cordy throws up a Redpath like performance and Reddy performs in the 2s. Surely we have to back one in for a few games?

Ruthlessness is not something associated with the dogs. Perhaps it should be....
Don't perform and you are out. Redpath performs in the two and Ayce doesn't then switch them.

 

[go you pups]

We know Bev wants to win and it looks like you're going to have to perform to keep your spot, but what happens if Cordy throws up a Redpath like performance and Reddy performs in the 2s. Surely we have to back one in for a few games?

I think it's beneficial for both to be on the brink, they have to perform to get a game, hopefully Cordy can put on some forward pressure though, he did look like he was gaining some confidence during the preseason, he's in his 7th year now and has only played 20 games it is time for him to show something

 

[doggies ftw]

Ruthlessness is not something associated with the dogs. Perhaps it should be....
Don't perform and you are out. Redpath performs in the two and Ayce doesn't then switch them.

That would be fair but surely we'd have to back one in for a few weeks. Sometimes players just need a bit of continuity to thrive and we'd want a settled forward line to gel together. If we went by that method we could have Cordy and Redpath swapping weekly!

 

[lachy]

The best sign from this selection is as well as teaching the players to play the systems he wants, Beverage is also trying to teach them to win by picking an in form balanced team.

We will have ups and downs but at least team selection has some common sense

 

[fronkalicious]

Anyone else just feel like a weights been lifter now that team structure and selection seems clear??? Did my farken nut in the last couple of years trying to work out what the hell the MC were up to.

 

[archibald23]

Anyone else just feel like a weights been lifter now that team structure and selection seems clear??? Did my farken nut in the last couple of years trying to work out what the hell the MC were up to.

I hated going in short week in week out, with our coach simply saying "games are won in the midfield"...

 

[the conch]

The best sign from this selection is as well as teaching the players to play the systems he wants, Beverage is also trying to teach them to win by picking an in form balanced team.

We will have ups and downs but at least team selection has some common sense

And already seen some much smarter game day stratgy.

 

[Zgope1]

I hated going in short week in week out, with our coach simply saying "games are won in the midfield"...

Haha I agree with you but I don't think Macca ever said that.

 

[Roscoe_au]

I think the media underestimates how important a fit Roughead and a KPF is to the Dogs in 2015. We also have some kids in the midfield pushing for elite status (Bonti has reached cult status and a dozen or so brownlow points in 2015 will underline just how good the kid is) and a second forward in Stringer who will probably be our best and most important player in years to come.

Still cant get the vision of watching Stringer mug that WCE and strip him of the ball outta my head. Talk about beast mode...

 

[the conch]

That would be fair but surely we'd have to back one in for a few weeks. Sometimes players just need a bit of continuity to thrive and we'd want a settled forward line to gel together. If we went by that method we could have Cordy and Redpath swapping weekly!

In developing players they should be given a fair block.. some days you're just up against a better player, but also there are lots of variables like different grounds, oppositions, different roles required, team strategy. Also personal mentoring/coaching should be intense in these phases of making the jump to firsts and anyone needs time to reappraise and apply the learnings.

I think Red should have got more of a go, but trust that Bev and team may have selected Cordy for bringing attributes to the table that make for a better match up against Richmond, such as playing the bigger MCG where it's likely rucks gotta cover more distance (fatigue) and the extra space means big Jack's crash in style not so relevant. Tigers are also a fast team and we saw how Weagles played the running overlap to advantage.

PS: I hated how BM would just drop a player on the strength of one game (usually when whole team played crap)eg LJones playing a two brownlow vote game and dropped within two. Whatever you think of Jones that was crap in developing a KPF player such as Jones. Be interesting to see what Mick does. He certainly bolsters the players confidence eg: all the nice things been saying about Tutty with him in the team for this week.

 

[Roscoe_au]

I think Cordy will add a lot to the forward set up, he does a lot of unrewarded work off the ball like blocks and what not which should really help Boyd. He's also starting to show some aggression, really really keen to see how he goes this week, let's hope for the best.

We can still move Boyd to CHF or even behind the ball to get him into the game too.

We know Bev wants to win and it looks like you're going to have to perform to keep your spot, but what happens if Cordy throws up a Redpath like performance and Reddy performs in the 2s. Surely we have to back one in for a few games?

I was impressed with his 2nd and 3rd efforts in the NAB Cup.

Can we play Cordy, Redpath, Minson and Boyd in the same side?

 

[Testekill]

PS: I hated how BM would just drop a player on the strength of one game (usually when whole team played crap)eg LJones playing a two brownlow vote game and dropped within two. Whatever you think of Jones that was crap in developing a KPF player such as Jones. Be interesting to see what Mick does. He certainly bolsters the players confidence eg: all the nice things been saying about Tutty with him in the team for this week.

However dude, Jones played five games where he didn't kick a goal. Sure he got a bag of three or more in three games but he didn't kick a goal for five games and only kicked a single goal twice. By the point of Jones having a 1 possession game, you'd think that the penny was never going to drop.

 

[archibald23]

Haha I agree with you but I don't think Macca ever said that.

I'm pretty sure he did last season, can't remember which game though! He was interviewed prior to the game walking off before the first quarter, commentators asked him about going in a bit short and he said something about winning the game in the midfield, not verbatim of course!

 

[Mutt]

Anyone else just feel like a weights been lifter now that team structure and selection seems clear??? Did my farken nut in the last couple of years trying to work out what the hell the MC were up to.

Had McCartney dropped Redpath (after good pre-season form and just one poor senior game) and brought in Cordy (after average pre-season form and half a decent VFL game) this board would be going nuts. Honeymoon period still in tact for the new Coach by the look of it.

The fact that not one person called for this change prior to the team announcement demonstrates that it is a bit of a left-field selection, so I would not say that "team structure and selection seems clear" Fronk. It wasn't clear to anyone on here and you weren't calling for it.

That said, for the future of the team we really want Cordy to be successful - perhaps more so than Redpath. Ayce has the ability to be a really important player for us and now is his opportunity to step up after providing us with 6 years of utter frustration.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

We know Bev wants to win and it looks like you're going to have to perform to keep your spot, but what happens if Cordy throws up a Redpath like performance and Reddy performs in the 2s. Surely we have to back one in for a few games?

Personally feel like it's less about Redpath and more about the structure, as somebody posted a couple of pages back (sorry, have forgotten who it was). Beveridge is still trying to find a team structure that looks the best. Our forward line simply didn't function for three quarters last week, and Minson clearly needed a bit more support. I'm pretty confident that the decision to drop Redpath wasn't because of his poor game, but more to do with figuring out what works.

If Cordy comes in and stinks it up, but our forward line functions well and Minson appreciates the support, I reckon we'll persist with him. If it simply doesn't work we might try something else - like Boyd higher up the ground and Campbell at FF, or a smaller lineup.

 

[fronkalicious]

Had McCartney dropped Redpath (after good pre-season form and just one poor senior game) and brought in Cordy (after average pre-season form and half a decent VFL game) this board would be going nuts. Honeymoon period still in tact for the new Coach by the look of it.

The fact that not one person called for this change prior to the team announcement demonstrates that it is a bit of a left-field selection, so I would not say that "team structure and selection seems clear" Fronk. It wasn't clear to anyone on here and you weren't calling for it.

That said, for the future of the team we really want Cordy to be successful - perhaps more so than Redpath. Ayce has the ability to be a really important player for us and now is his opportunity to step up after providing us with 6 years of utter frustration.

Hear what you're saying mutt, but the thought behind the selection is clear, as it was to most on the board. Redpath had an absolute ball tearer, and we struggled badly in the ruck when Minson went off. Yep, I'd have given red another week or 2 to show it was an aberration, but the reasoning behind the change is clear and sound. Very refreshing.

Whether posters ultimately agree with the changes or not is one thing, but to be able to understand the changes is a new experience in recent times.

 

[immortalmike]

I don't think dropping Redpath had anything to do with the fumbled marks, after listening to Macrae on AFL 360 about The Drink's non-negotiables. He was dropped because he had zero tackles.

 

[BRWB]

Had McCartney dropped Redpath (after good pre-season form and just one poor senior game) and brought in Cordy (after average pre-season form and half a decent VFL game) this board would be going nuts. Honeymoon period still in tact for the new Coach by the look of it.

The fact that not one person called for this change prior to the team announcement demonstrates that it is a bit of a left-field selection, so I would not say that "team structure and selection seems clear" Fronk. It wasn't clear to anyone on here and you weren't calling for it.

That said, for the future of the team we really want Cordy to be successful - perhaps more so than Redpath. Ayce has the ability to be a really important player for us and now is his opportunity to step up after providing us with 6 years of utter frustration.

Mate the first post of the thread by Fronk puts dropping Redpath firmly on the agenda, and a number of other people questioned Redpath's work, just that most were happy to give him a run - not because he was any good on the night though. The only bloke to lay zero tackles. His opponent slaughtered us. 5 disposals. It ain't a 'left field' selection.

 

[Mutt]

Mate the first post of the thread by Fronk puts dropping Redpath firmly on the agenda, and a number of other people questioned Redpath's work, just that most were happy to give him a run - not because he was any good on the night though. The only bloke to lay zero tackles. His opponent slaughtered us. 5 disposals. It ain't a 'left field' selection.

I'm sorry Mate... but you neglected to show me who called for Redpath to be dropped and for him to be replaced with Cordy?

I understand that post hoc rationalisation is easy and we can all identify two or three reasons why you would consider dropping Redpath, but to claim that this decision is clear and the team structure is clear flies in the face of the fact that no-one on here advocated we do it, including Fronk himself.

In an effort to not have this turn into another never ending debate (like the "why didn't we draft a tall defender" saga) I'm happy to concede that the decision to drop Redpath and bring in Cordy is not getting people up in arms. It doesn't make it any more or less transparent than most other team selection changes- simply more agreeable to the majority than, say, not selecting Talia last year.

 

[stefoid]

Once he wasn't marking the ball the WCE backs were way too nimble for big Jack. Just wasn't his sort of day. He was really good in NAB, though.
I think he doesn't have the experience yet to impose himself into the game when things not going so easy for his game.

Be good to see Cordy play a great game though... soft hands three and a half meters in the air.....yea

Perhaps the problem is that Redpath isnt enough of an aerial threat to demand a taller, less damaging opponent? I mean, if you can play Hurn who is 186cm on Redpath, and Red still doesnt take any grabs, then we are on a hiding to nothing, as they say. And if you can afford to play someone short on Red, then that leaves someone tall for Boyd and/or Stringer.

I guess the hope is that Cordy, who can jump and is the tallest player on our list at 204cm, _should_ be able to murder someone like Hurn in a marking contest, thereby forcing Richmond to play a tall defender on him - who he then takes out wide away from Boyd and Stringer, and away from general rebound play. At the least we get a nil-all draw in that position, instead of being smashed by one of the games best rebounding defenders.

Red is a fantastic kick for goal, but he has to be marking the ball or he is a liability.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Cordy is not mobile. I don't know why people keeps saying this.

I think people say this because he's mobile for the fact he's 204 cm, not many blokes over 200cm move around the ground pretty easliy as he does, that's tall for Ruckmen let alone key forwards, let's not forget it's that mobility which made him a first round draft prospect in the first place.
Sure, he's not mobile compared to your average 195cm second tall that all clubs have, not at all. But the point I'm making when people say that he's "mobile", they're talking about mobility, relative to height.

 

[BRWB]

I'm sorry Mate... but you neglected to show me who called for Redpath to be dropped and for him to be replaced with Cordy?

I understand that post hoc rationalisation is easy and we can all identify two or three reasons why you would consider dropping Redpath, but to claim that this decision is clear and the team structure is clear flies in the face of the fact that no-one on here advocated we do it, including Fronk himself.

In an effort to not have this turn into another never ending debate (like the "why didn't we draft a tall defender" saga) I'm happy to concede that the decision to drop Redpath and bring in Cordy is not getting people up in arms. It doesn't make it any more or less transparent than most other team selection changes- simply more agreeable to the majority than, say, not selecting Talia last year.

No never ending debate here my friend - last point on this from me. The concerns on Redpath have been articulated throughout prior to him being dropped in various threads so not post hoc. Yep, I'll concede that no-one specifically called for him to be dropped but for me anyway that was more because of doubts on who would do better not about Redpath.

Its hard to argue that Redpath wasn't our worst player by some distance last week..dropping him is hardly lacking transparency or 'left field' as you've described.

 

[doggies ftw]

I don't think many specifically called for Red out for Cordy in but IIRC a lot of people brought it up as an option. So I agree that it's not that left field. Also agree that it's probably more structural/tactical .