Preview Changes vs Tigers

[Schulzycrow]

Was really disappointed with JJ on the weekend. As I mentioned in the GBU thread or it might have been the gameday...anyhow he is supposed to be fast and he is when there is a ball to run onto or a goal to be had. Didn't like what I saw with some of his chases, he gives up way to easily. Have to remember he is still learning and hopefully all of the shite stuff he did on Sat will be being pounded into him today in the reviews. Give him a chance to respond this week.

 

[Wright Away]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-10/crows-in-damage-control

Van Berlo echoed coach Brenton Sanderson's post-match comments that a number of players would be dropped.
"Sando's made it pretty clear there will be some changes from the weekend's game, which has to be the case," he said.

He is one who should be dropped, was in the bottom 4 performances on the weekend, but what is the bet that it will be the usual selection crap with inexperienced players getting dropped, rather than senior players who have consistently failed to perform.

Nathan van Berlo must be dropped, for a guy with the 'best endurance at the club' he under performs massively, he needs a kick up the bum and is not the one to be telling other players that their performance wasn't up the scratch.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's very easy to make changes on a Monday. Not quite so easy to make them on a Thursday.

For years the response to a disappointing game would be to "give the players a chance to atone" and to show it was a one-off bad game.

I really hope we make some changes this week. Need to make a statement and get away from just the empty rhetoric.

 

[mcday]

He is one who should be dropped, was in the bottom 4 performances on the weekend, but what is the bet that it will be the usual selection crap with inexperienced players getting dropped, rather than senior players who have consistently failed to perform.

Nathan van Berlo must be dropped, for a guy with the 'best endurance at the club' he under performs massively, he needs a kick up the bum and is not the one to be telling other players that their performance wasn't up the scratch.

You do know what a load of rubbish this is don't you? Unless you count guys like Henderson, Pets, Wright, Jaensch and the like as inexperienced (which I wouldn't given that they've all played around 50 games, and were all given extended chances to show form throughout) the only inexperienced player who has been omitted, without having an injury, has been Lyons. Kerridge, Crouch, Laird, Brown, Jenkins and Lynch have all been kept in the team, after having played less than 20 games at the start of the year. Yes, I agree that Lyons being dropped was probably the wrong decision, but to say that only inexperienced players have been dropped is just plain wrong.

And Van Berlo is the captain. Despite what reservations you may have about him being captain, and despite him playing pretty poorly through much of this year, it is absolutely his place to tell players that they need to play better. How do you know he wasn't including himself in the players who need to lift? He pretty much said the whole squad needed to lift, not just individual players.

 

[Dandy_GO]

I know he's just back in the side, but I have very little patience for Henderson. He gave us nothing, and I hate the way he'll take a bump, lie on the ground for 30 seconds while the opposition mops up the ball and scores a goal. One minute later, Hendo is up and running unhindered without even needing a spell on the bench. Football is a physical sport. If you can't take a knock and still produce second efforts, you're in the wrong career. It happens so bloody regularly with him. If he was going to change that part of the game, surely he'd have done it by now. He's been in the system long enough.

 

[robboaustralia]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-10/crows-in-damage-control

VB is as guilty as anyone of damaging the culture.

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2013-06-10/crows-desperate-for-redemption.workstation

Pets, Otto, Kedge, Radar for starters, probably Porps and the Cap as well. Sauce needs a two week rest give it to him. So that's 7 players out of the side. Not likely

Would not drop Crouch, JJ, Vince or Callinan. First two are still learning the craft and how to not give in when you are being belted the second two because their skills alone can turn a play or the game itself.

Lyons, Grigg, Johncock, Jaensch are my 4 ins for the first 4.

Wright for Porps. Graham for Sauce back up man is needed now. Play him against his old side so he is at least pumped up to show his old club out.

Maybe give Martin in for VB for a whole game on the wing to change things up a bit.

See it time after time, players have blinders against their old side.

 

[Slippery Pete]

If you can't take a knock and still produce second efforts, you're in the wrong career.

That's workplace discrimination according to your definition of it.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

That's workplace discrimination according to your definition of it.

Not really.

It's a non negotiable as part of the job description.

If you are a financial planner and you can not add or subtract, you won't last long. If an AFL footballer can not take a bump and show a second effort, they are in the wrong job.

 

[King Elvis]

I know he's just back in the side, but I have very little patience for Henderson. He gave us nothing, and I hate the way he'll take a bump, lie on the ground for 30 seconds while the opposition mops up the ball and scores a goal. One minute later, Hendo is up and running unhindered without even needing a spell on the bench. Football is a physical sport. If you can't take a knock and still produce second efforts, you're in the wrong career. It happens so bloody regularly with him. If he was going to change that part of the game, surely he'd have done it by now. He's been in the system long enough.

He's a tease.

How long do you persist with someone who flirts with being a quality player, but rarely consistently puts it together?

 

[JP Sauce]

So after today's SANFL game:

Out:
Petrenko (inj)
Porplyzia
Reilly
Henderson
van Berlo
Thompson and Jacobs if not 100%

In:
Lyons
Wright
Grigg (half back)
Jaensch (forward)
Brown
Riley and Graham if needed

 

[Elite Crow]

Out:
Porps, Petrenko, Otten, Henderson, Reilly

In:
Brown, Lyons, Thompson, DMack, Wright

B: Brown Rutten Thompson
HBF: Smith Talia Laird
C: DMack Danger Vince
HF: Lynch Smack Sloane
FF: Callinan Jenkins Dougie

R: Jacobs Thommo VB
I/C: Wright Lyons Crouch Sub Kerridge

 

[Wright Away]

You do know what a load of rubbish this is don't you? Unless you count guys like Henderson, Pets, Wright, Jaensch and the like as inexperienced (which I wouldn't given that they've all played around 50 games, and were all given extended chances to show form throughout) the only inexperienced player who has been omitted, without having an injury, has been Lyons. Kerridge, Crouch, Laird, Brown, Jenkins and Lynch have all been kept in the team, after having played less than 20 games at the start of the year. Yes, I agree that Lyons being dropped was probably the wrong decision, but to say that only inexperienced players have been dropped is just plain wrong.

And Van Berlo is the captain. Despite what reservations you may have about him being captain, and despite him playing pretty poorly through much of this year, it is absolutely his place to tell players that they need to play better. How do you know he wasn't including himself in the players who need to lift? He pretty much said the whole squad needed to lift, not just individual players.

nah mate, ya wrong bruva.

 

[mcday]

nah mate, ya wrong bruva.

Um, ok

 

[ftmch]

nah mate, ya wrong bruva.

Mate and Bruva in the one post. Identity crisis?

 

[1990crow]

So after today's SANFL game:

Out:
Petrenko (inj)
Porplyzia
Reilly
Henderson
van Berlo
Thompson and Jacobs if not 100%

In:
Lyons
Wright
Grigg (half back)
Jaensch (forward)
Brown
Riley and Graham if needed

I would be pleased if this is what happened.

 

[Dandy_GO]

On Porps, I don't think he was that bad this week. He doesn't seem to be able to play full games, but he's looked a heck of a lot better when he's come on as the sub. He was quite clean off the deck on Saturday, and finished with 16 touches in a half, which isn't bad. There was a beautiful passage of play where he managed to trap a bouncing ball with one hand, and dish off a bullet handpass while being tackled by two blokes, all in the blink of an eye. It was like the Porplyzia of old. I've given up hope of him becoming the player he used to be, and he's had an awful year so far, but I do think he's got enough tricks to add something to our team if he can come on in the second half when the pace has gone out of the game a little. I don't think we can carry the same guy as our sub all year, but I think we'd get the most of him by having him come in and out of the side as the sub. Saturday should be treated as a benchmark. If he dips below that level, he's out. If he performs well in the SANFL, bring him back as the sub only. Being able to play both forward and midfield means he's not the worst guy to have as a specialist sub, either.

The two blokes who I'd like to drop the most are, unfortunately, the two who are probably hardest to replace. Sauce and Jenkins.

Sauce has been just okay these last couple of weeks, but he needs to harden up. He's not attacking the ball with any intent. He looks lazy and frightened, and is giving us nothing around the ground. A shadow of his former self. It's hard not to blame Clarke, as we all remember how he used to play the game.

Jenkins has lost all confidence. He's not jumping at the ball like he was earlier in the year. He's not using his size to his advantage. He runs around blokes, rather than running through them. His second efforts are non-existant. He'll try and get position in a marking contest, get spoiled, and then run around NEAR the ball while the opposition easily rebound with it. There was a passage of play on Saturday where he literally ran AWAY from the ball after he dropped a mark. It was deplorable play, and led to a Sydney goal. Worst of all, he's playing behind his man. I know it's tough for a relatively inexperienced player to contend with his man, plus, often, a floating player cutting in front, but he's either unfit, or too lazy to put in the hard yards. He's playing stupid football, and not giving us the contests up forward that we need. Maybe he's just sick of our complete lack of crumbers, as it wasn't that long ago that JJ was doing a good job of all these things. Right now, he's a nothing player.

Can't understand the decision to bring in Crouch for Lyons. I love the look of Crouch too, and he needs to play games for us, but a young player like that also needs to earn his spot, like Lyons has. Crouch has never dominated the SANFL like Lyons, and his form for West coming back form injury was hardly anything to get excited about. Crouch will get better, but looked really far off the pace. I know there were a lot of calls to get him back into the side last week, but I really think that he's got a lot to learn before he's ready for AFL. I'd rather build up his confidence by having him come in when he's at peak form, rather than bringing him in when he's not ready, Melbourne style. Especially if that's at the expensive of Lyons, who is a fair bit more advanced at this stage.

You can add me to the list of people who think our captain and Reilly need a kick up the arse.

Unfortunately, our biggest problem these last two weeks have been in the coaching box. Match day tactics have been so, so, SO far from acceptable. We've heard that Sando has a plan B, but he sure as hell didn't show it this week. We made the exact same mistakes in both games, and our attempts to rectify them either came too late or didn't come at all. It's not easy to play against sides like Sydney and Fremantle. They wouldn't be so high up the ladder if it wasn't. But I HATE watching us play right into their hands for entire games. The loose man situation against Fremantle was particularly unacceptable. It's not always easy to stop sides from creating a loose man, but it shouldn't be so hard to structure up correctly to render them less effective. We failed so badly at that.

Oh, and I still don't know why we've decided Johncock can't defend. Sure, he's prone to the odd ****-up, but he's one bloke who you can rely on to play direct footy. He'll run and carry, he'll run at the ball, and at the player, and he's not afraid to take risks. Our rebound from defence sucks so freaking badly. Bring back Stiffy. He's ALWAYS been a better rebounding back pocket than a crumbing forward. Most of us are pretty sick of Reilly by now. I'd happily trade out his occasional contested mark for Johncock's bursts through the middle.

That's workplace discrimination according to your definition of it.

Swing and a miss, Pete.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Swing and a miss, Pete.

Or.....an interesting case study. If a female played against men and decided she couldn't sustain the knocks and produce second efforts because as a woman she was not physically capable of it, would that constitute workplace gender discrimination in your opinion?

Or, would she just be in "the wrong career?"

 

[Dandy_GO]

Or.....an interesting case study. If a female played against men and decided she couldn't sustain the knocks and produce second efforts because as a woman she was not physically capable of it, would that constitute workplace gender discrimination in your opinion?

Or, would she just be in "the wrong career?"

That's a long way from the point I was making when we discussed that topic, which you seem to be deliberately misrepresenting, or simply misunderstanding. In any case, it's undeniable that women and men possess physiological differences. As a man, I'm less physiologically suited to be a surrogate mother, for instance. Nobody would say that's discrimination - I just can't physically do it.

Again, yes, there are reasons which are not derived from any form of unfair gender discrimination for which the numbers of women and men may differ within certain career fields. Everybody accepts this already. And accepting this does absolutely nothing to detract from the fact that gender discrimination does still exist. You can keep coming up with irrelevant scenarios and examples, and I will keep giving you the same response.

"because as a woman she was not physically capable of it" is, however, is a murky line. There are women in the world who would be more capable than most men of matching the physical demands of AFL football. There are some supremely physically gifted women in the world. Look at Brittney Griner. Her draft camp results would be very impressive. When you add in transgendered people, there are plenty of people who identify as women who are, indeed, physically capable of specifically taking those bumps. So, while you are less likely to be able to achieve these physical feats as a woman, being a woman doesn't necessarily mean you can't do them. Professional sports are a bit of a minefield, however, given that mostly they have segregated competition, which doesn't really fit in with our modern views of gender equality in the work place. I don't know how I personally feel about that. It's a very, very specific example. There are plenty of better places to argue about that online, however, with plenty of smarter people than you or I discussing it.

 

[King Elvis]

Good post Dandy - the on topic one I mean, not that one

 

[Slippery Pete]

Fair enough.. For the record, I wasn't trying to misrepresent or incite you.

I assume there is no official AFL law stating women can't participate?

So, that begs the question - why don't they?

Don't worry, it's rhetorical - here's the answer I prepared earlier:

choices made by women and men concerning the amount of time and energy devoted to a career, as reflected in years of work experience and other workplace and job characteristics

Now, at the time you said these comments were sexist generalisations.

Unless you have a different explanation as to why women don't feature at all in this particular workplace (the AFL), you may want to reconsider if my comments were in fact, sexist.

 

[Mego Red]

Wow I can't believe that! Has VB Seriously come out and said there will be mass changes?
•he was one of the worst, he should look at his own form
•to come out and say that after the playing group would be thinking the captain is one of the worst players wouldn't sit well with the playing group
• it's like he's blaming others? When he was horrible
• I actually can't believe if he's done this, how can he call for other players to be dropped when he is one of the main problems
• enjoy your last year as captain VB

Those first four points were just you repeating the same point over and over again.

You should look at your form as a poster - very lack luster effort.

 

[Dandy_GO]

Unless you have a different explanation as to why women don't feature at all in this particular workplace (the AFL), you may want to reconsider if my comments were in fact, sexist.

That doesn't make me reconsider anything. You know full well that the AFL, and professional sports, operate very differently with regard to gender equality. We now have a women's draft for a parallel women's league. There are some major ethical issues with this, but the same is true if segregation of genders within sport didn't exist. In any case, using a highly irregular example to prove a point about society as a whole is a fallacy.

I maintain that to attribute the divide in wages between genders entirely to differing choices due to inherent differences between the sexes, which is your argument as best I can tell (and, by definition, deny that any discrimination at all is involved whatsoever in this outcome - which is a laughably naive or pigheaded position) is a sexist generalisation. I believe we already went over this in detail in the other thread.

Mods, please move this, and the other irrelevant posts to the thread in the backyard. I apparently can't help but get baited by Pete. Pete, if you'd like to talk about this further, you're welcome to PM me. I don't feel good about discussing this in yet another irrelevant thread.

 

[rayven]

Drop the captain. Only if to wake everyone up.

 

[Lawrst]

Drop the captain. Only if to wake everyone up.

And Reilly.

Reilly.

Please drop Reilly.

 

[weekend at bernies]

If we dont drop Reilly can we please make him wear an opposition guernsey so we know to play keepings off with him!!!!