Autopsy Clutch Win at the MCG, Freo Down the Pies

[stax on the mull]

Eddie McGuire was complaining we were wearing white today instead of purple but the purple v black & white would probably have been worse.

I did flick through a bit of the podcast of that show last night which seemed to be like every other show Eddie is on. Eddie talks and talks and everyone should listen.

He did say something about how he doesn't hate Fremantle as much as the more traditional Melbourne based rivals of Collingwood, but he does hate us because Freo keep ruining his tipping, but then later he fessed up that he spent a couple hours on Sunday night stewing over the result . And then when Bartel started talking about some of the umpiring decisions that he thought were wrong and against Fremantle it must have been pretty raw, because Eddie quickly changed the topic.

We gave him the classic Collingwood 1 pt loss.

 

[freo84]

I did flick through a bit of the podcast of that show last night which seemed to be like every other show Eddie is on. Eddie talks and talks and everyone should listen.

He did say something about how he doesn't hate Fremantle as much as the more traditional Melbourne based rivals of Collingwood, but he does hate us because Freo keep ruining his tipping, but then later he fessed up that he spent a couple hours on Sunday night stewing over the result . And then when Bartel started talking about some of the umpiring decisions that he thought were wrong and against Fremantle game it must have been pretty raw, because Eddie quickly changed the topic.

Most of the Pies supporter on FB blame the umpires directly for them losing. None of them have opened the other eye yet. Every free kick for them was there and every free kick against them was cheating.

What i thought was hilarious was when Freo got 2 free kicks in a row and then the Pies got 1 and they Bronx cheered the umpires...it was 12 - 2 in their favour.

 

[stax on the mull]

Most of the Pies supporter on FB blame the umpires directly for them losing. None of them have opened the other eye yet. Every free kick for them was there and every free kick against them was cheating.

What i thought was hilarious was when Freo got 2 free kicks in a row and then the Pies got 1 and they Bronx cheered the umpires...it was 12 - 2 in their favour.

What about the one at 3 quarter time when they kicked it forward and the siren goes with the ball in mid air and Freo don't contest it and a Collingwood player catches the ball and they're all screaming that they were robbed of a shot on goal.

Edit: see correction of events in Alfonz's post.

 

[Quay Club]

What about the one at 3 quarter time when they kicked it forward and the siren goes with the ball in mid air and Freo don't contest it and a Collingwood player catches the ball and they're all screaming that they were robbed of a shot on goal.

And he was 80 metres out

 

[Quazar2]

I did flick through a bit of the podcast of that show last night which seemed to be like every other show Eddie is on. Eddie talks and talks and everyone should listen.

He did say something about how he doesn't hate Fremantle as much as the more traditional Melbourne based rivals of Collingwood, but he does hate us because Freo keep ruining his tipping, but then later he fessed up that he spent a couple hours on Sunday night stewing over the result . And then when Bartel started talking about some of the umpiring decisions that he thought were wrong and against Fremantle it must have been pretty raw, because Eddie quickly changed the topic.

We gave him the classic Collingwood 1 pt loss.

There are a lot of vainglorious Vic-based media commentators in the AFL landscape, but you would be hard placed to see anyone dislodge Me-Quire as numero uno I reckon

 

[King Huskii]

How's Moore calling Treacy 'old mate' in the post-match interview? His name is Josh Treacy you ****ing spoon.

Moore had his arse handed to him that game. He looked inept.

 

[armpit]

Yeah he's rapidly losing his glamour.

 

[Alfonz]

What about the one at 3 quarter time when they kicked it forward and the siren goes with the ball in mid air and Freo don't contest it and a Collingwood player catches the ball and they're all screaming that they were robbed of a shot on goal.

Not quite how it happened. I just checked the replay and they marked it before the siren. But the soccer kick came before the whistle blew for the free kick and all the players stopped on the whistle while the ball was in mid-air.

It was still the correct decision to bring it back, because the umpires aren't supposed to play advantage in that situation. But advantage isn't something you can trust the umpires enforcing properly. Such as that shocker when Treacy had the ball and the umpire forced his hand and even the Pies stopped playing.

 

[Bender571]

Love it that the Pies were all acting confused and angry about the free paid to Johnno here. Rusty Frontbum was ripping his head off.

I'm pretty sure the umpire paid a free kick for "blocking" in that instance. Sidebottom blocked Johnson from competing for the mark and was unable to get back and get a touch on the ball himself.
So there were two clear free kicks there and they still complained.

Since I'm already talking about umpires I haven't seen anybody mention the terrible advantage call at the start of the third quarter. Darcy get a free for a high in a marking contest, Switta crumbs the ball anyway and takes advantage with a handball to Treacy who is bursting away. However after Switta gets the handball away he's dragged to the ground and a second whistle is blown for another free kick, Treacy hearing a second whistle immediately stops but the umpire forces him to take advantage even though he is now being tackled, forcing to squeeze a kick out resulting in a turnover. So even though we got two free kicks the umpires still managed to screw us.

 

[oldgoat]

Voss ain’t limited compadre.

Limitless!
and as for...
Oppos interceptors?
Humiliated Key Defender!
so very very limited on the day.

 

[oldgoat]

Time to go back the red and the green and the white anchor

No clash possible there.
We could wear it home AND away!

 

[oldgoat]

lol, the AFL hated chicks footy and, to be fair, we were largely a bunch of lesbian weirdos with alternative haircuts.

Lovely to me

 

[noise36]

So even though we got two free kicks the umpires still managed to screw us.

lol amazing!

How about Jackson taking a mark, feinting the handball and getting tackled and getting HTB instead of a 50m penalty. Players pretend to handball to try to draw a 50m like 10 times a game and its never ever called play on.

I swear freo gets the most cursed umpiring, stuff that never happens to a big vic club always happens to us. i.e. the dissent 50m

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I thought the umpiring was equally shit both ways...

 

[Cesoir]

lol, the AFL hated chicks footy and, to be fair, we were largely a bunch of lesbian weirdos with alternative haircuts.

We still love you Minz

 

[Achin joints]

How could the umps miss the blatant over the head backward throw by Daicos and the following 2 or 3 blatant throws by the other collingwood players in the dying minutes .And how the hell did Darcy Moore

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not get reported ?Or Maynard ?If those plays were reversed im convinced we would be missing players for the next couple of weeks.

 

[Cobbler]

Who thinks this circle jerk over the Magpies "tackling" at the end is being completely overblown? I'm not sure what Sidebottom did to Serong even constitutes a tackle (if he was hoping for holding the ball). And if they wanted the ball out in space, it didn't work and all it did was allow us to waste extra time.

I also saw a few Pies players put hands on the ball and cause a stalemate, wasted time, and ball up. Including what might otherwise have been a holding the ball against NOD when he kinda dived on it, but then Lipinksi came in and jumped on the ball as well. Then Cameron did the same thing with a stalemate versus Young. And looking closely again, there could have been a free against Pendlebury for holding Young's arm while the ball was thrown up. Pendles then throws the ball twice. Impressive effort for him to commit three infringements in about 10 seconds and get away with all of them.

But the Magpies are geniuses and the best ever at finishing games.

I actually think it’s decent strategy. It could easily be applied more in deep 50m.

Another ‘strategy’ I’ve always felt could be applied is to handball to the opposition when you have no options. Mainly deep in your own 50m. Maybe tight against the boundary and an opposition player is steaming towards you. Just handball him the ball. What can he do? He takes the ball and now is under pressure. He doesn’t take the ball and it becomes a contest at ground level. He still goes at you and gives away the free kick.

It’s my white whale. I’ve been waiting over 10 years for someone to do it.

 

[s_wd6]

I thought the umpiring was equally shit both ways...

Only time it was shit to Collingwood was end of the third missing the clear JOM throw and then not playing the advantage (which they only marked cos we stopped anyway)

 

[DocT]

lol amazing!

How about Jackson taking a mark, feinting the handball and getting tackled and getting HTB instead of a 50m penalty. Players pretend to handball to try to draw a 50m like 10 times a game and its never ever called play on.

I swear freo gets the most cursed umpiring, stuff that never happens to a big vic club always happens to us. i.e. the dissent 50m

Genuine question. I even looked this one up in the rules but couldn't find it.
Jackson's play on was explained that even though he had one foot still on the mark the step he took was forward of the mark so play on was the call. If he had done the same sideways he would have been fine.
Is that right?

 

[PowerToThePurpl]

I thought the umpiring was equally shit both ways...

Watching the replay - yep, horrible calls and non calls both ways, especially in the second half. Umps were kissing Collingwood in the first half though.

I hate the way the league officiates the advantage rule, umpires should just hold off on the whistle until there’s no clear advantage after a set amount of time, the infringeing team should never be able to benefit from it.

 

[fnerd]

The "cowboy" tackle or something they call it according to Isaac Quaynor. It's a bit of a deflection away from all those handballs they get away with that are throws - which I don't know if they've also got a name for. It's just impossible for the ball to get to where it does without them chucking it, like the Josh Daicos handball at the top of their defensive 50m at the start of the last 2 minutes clip - followed by a handful of others before the final siren.

How could the umps miss the blatant over the head backward throw by Daicos and the following 2 or 3 blatant throws by the other collingwood players in the dying minutes .And how the hell did Darcy Moore not get reported ?Or Maynard ?If those plays were reversed im convinced we would be missing players for the next couple of weeks.

I know it’s been touched on a bit previously but in true Victorian bias(nothing to see here) I just cannot fathom the absolute ignorance or as I suspect deliberate non highlighting of this in the over saturated football media .

I didn’t get to watch the game but the first bit of vision of the match I got was of the last 2 minutes segment on the AFL website and it was strikingly the most glaring feature I noticed immediately

That Josh daicos one was as next level tho and it was open for all to see including the ump who was well positioned directly in front of it
It was a dead set ****en rugby flick pass and even if you didn’t want to believe your eyes what you were seeing basic physics would tell you to move the ball as fast and direct as he did could ONLY be achieved by throwing the ball (his body momentum was going away from where the ball was going)

Ditto those 2 over the head ones in their f50

But it merely comes about as it points to greater issue league wide of throwing in general where I reckon the league is loath to crack down on it too much as it’s a genuine game speed improver/stoppage buster

- which brings me back to staxs original point and how it’s
it’s essentially another “genius” tactic by mccrae and his geriatric team use in close finishes but in actual fact is merely them exploiting the rules in that pies players are basically “daring” the ump to call it against them.

But they know with the crowd, the narrative(pies kings of the close game),a pair of daicoses etc ,that 9.9 times out of. 10 the ump won’t have the balls to call it….and they know it

 

[wakojako]

Saw this comment on FB regarding Moore dropping his knee into Treacy:

 

[Dockeroo]

Looking at the last 2 mins again - there is no question Moore is a sniper. And he knew exactly what he was going.

However - Jordan Clark

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has GOT to control himself a bit better in those type of scenarios. He’s one of my favs but jeez you can’t do daft shit like that.

With 30 seconds left - don’t even give the umpires a sniff of a decision to make. Especially not at the G with their fans howling for it. Can you imagine if they’d reversed it and Moore kicked the winning goal?? Unthinkable.

Jumping into Moore and starting a scrap in our own goal square was utterly reckless. I actually reckon Moore deliberately did it to try generate a scrap and a turnover too. He walked away looking like he knew exactly what he was trying to do.

Clark has got to be more composed in these moments. He’s having a great season but these moments at the end of games define players and careers even, and cool heads are essential. Thankfully Wagner and Ryan had a bit more maturity.

 

[88mph]

Looking at the last 2 mins again - there is no question Moore is a sniper. And he knew exactly what he was going.

However - Jordan Clark has GOT to control himself a bit better in those type of scenarios. He’s one of my favs but jeez you can’t do daft shit like that.

With 30 seconds left - don’t even give the umpires a sniff of a decision to make. Especially not at the G with their fans howling for it. Can you imagine if they’d reversed it and Moore kicked the winning goal?? Unthinkable.

Jumping into Moore and starting a scrap in our own goal square was utterly reckless. I actually reckon Moore deliberately did it to try generate a scrap and a turnover too. He walked away looking like he knew exactly what he was trying to do.

Clark has got to be more composed in these moments. He’s having a great season but these moments at the end of games define players and careers even, and cool heads are essential. Thankfully Wagner and Ryan had a bit more maturity.

Imagine the melts if we didn't stand up for Treacy.

Was a balanced response all things considered.

 

[freo84]

Looking at the last 2 mins again - there is no question Moore is a sniper. And he knew exactly what he was going.

However - Jordan Clark has GOT to control himself a bit better in those type of scenarios. He’s one of my favs but jeez you can’t do daft shit like that.

With 30 seconds left - don’t even give the umpires a sniff of a decision to make. Especially not at the G with their fans howling for it. Can you imagine if they’d reversed it and Moore kicked the winning goal?? Unthinkable.

Jumping into Moore and starting a scrap in our own goal square was utterly reckless. I actually reckon Moore deliberately did it to try generate a scrap and a turnover too. He walked away looking like he knew exactly what he was trying to do.

Clark has got to be more composed in these moments. He’s having a great season but these moments at the end of games define players and careers even, and cool heads are essential. Thankfully Wagner and Ryan had a bit more maturity.

I feel like you may have inflated Moore's intelligence. He's no Sam Mitchell.

Clark's reaction was okay. A bit of argy bargy is okay as long as you don't cross the line. He didn't and we won.