Opinion Commentary and media

[shintemaster]

So let me get this right.....

We don't want the media to rate us but when they don't rate us we don't like it but we also don't like it when others are rated higher than us even though we don't value the opinions of the people who are rating both us and others and.....ok look, I've gone cross eyed!

Correct. I don't see any issue with the above...

 

[Hojuman]

Geez it would be harsh of the afl to schedule us to play both Melbourne and St Kilda on the same weekend. Though I guess they've given us the bye in round 2 to prepare ourselves

Corrected. Probably could play them both on the same day. Dees 2.15 at the 'Gee, win by 37. Walk to Etihad ( lactic build-up ) knock off Saints by 45 at 7.45.

 

[Hojuman]

Check out the starting time for our Rd 23 clash with GWS, i know it is a typo but

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Suit Goalieboy.

 

[Passmore]

So let me get this right.....

We don't want the media to rate us but when they don't rate us we don't like it but we also don't like it when others are rated higher than us even though we don't value the opinions of the people who are rating both us and others and.....ok look, I've gone cross eyed!

Nailed it.

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[Passmore]

Pioneering.

Footscray like this.

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[giantroo]

North Melbourne has won 10 matches but there’s still a question mark over its flag credentials, writes Paul Chapman
June 10, 2016 7:00pm
PAUL CHAPMAN
Herald Sun

THIS isn’t about bashing North Melbourne, because I respect the club and rate the Kangaroos as a team, but as it stands they haven’t proved all that much in 2016.

That may sound strange considering they sit on top of the ladder with 10 wins from 11 games.

But I can’t get past the fact that the only teams of genuine significance that they have beaten this year are the Western Bulldogs and Adelaide.

Yes, they are building and have been for two or three years, but eight of their wins have been over Essendon, Brisbane Lions, Fremantle, Gold Coast, Richmond, St Kilda, Carlton and Melbourne — eight of the bottom nine sides — so it’s fair to say they should have won those games.

And when they went to Sydney their loss was emphatic. A good win would send a healthy message to the competition and it would also mean the Kangaroos would have to fall over not to finish in the top four.

And so it starts on Saturday night with Geelong. After come Hawthorn, Adelaide in Adelaide, the bye and West Coast in Perth.

Is North good enough? My gut says yes because there are no obvious weaknesses.

They are clearly buying in when you consider that very few Kangaroos players have had more than 30 possessions in a game this year.

That also highlights that blokes are playing their roles rather than chasing ball.

It speaks volumes in terms of where a club is at.

Until you have that, you don’t really have much and you won’t be winning premierships any time soon.

Plus the Kangaroos’ mix of inside and outside players in the midfield is good.

Geelong has had a similar start to the season, with wins over less competitive sides.

At the moment, I wouldn’t consider North Melbourne a likely grand finalist, but it is definitely capable of doing well in September.

But they probably have a slight edge with victories over Hawthorn, Adelaide in Adelaide, West Coast easily in Geelong, and GWS in Geelong.

That’s better form, but you also can’t ignore the Cats’ horror performances against Collingwood and Carlton.

Losing Tom Hawkins to suspension, which I still can’t believe, is massive. The role he plays is so vital.

In comparison to North Melbourne, Geelong rotates slightly deeper in the midfield with Jimmy Bartel, Mark Blicavs, Josh Caddy, Patrick Dangerfield, Mitch Duncan, Cameron Guthrie, Darcy Lang, Steven Motlop and Joel Selwood.

My memory of North as a side is that the Roos would always play as quickly as they could and if that didn’t work, then they would play even faster. Now they are playing with system and tempo which is better suited to the demands of finals football.

At the moment, I wouldn’t consider North Melbourne a likely grand finalist, but it is definitely capable of doing well in September.

While Sydney is clearly above any rival, on the next level I would have the Western Bulldogs and GWS, ahead of North, Hawthorn, Geelong, Adelaide and West Coast.

It will be great watching the Scott brothers go head-to-head tonight with equally competitive sides.

I’ve tipped Geelong by a point — which has as much to do with my heart as it does my head.

Chris was a fantastic coach. He sees the game really clearly and also has the ability to manipulate a game so his team gets an advantage.

As a communicator, he’s outstanding and very good with the young guys. Demanding, but in a nurturing kind of way.

Undoubtedly, Chris had a big say in ending my career with Geelong but while I might not have agreed, I respect him as a person and I respect his right to make that call.

There is a part of me that would love to see an all blue and white Grand Final with identical twins coaching their respective teams. How often, has that happened in a sport around the world?

Until then, let’s hope Saurday night’s game lives up to our expectations.

 

[giantroo]

Majak Daw to consider options, says former star Wayne Schwass

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ormer-star-wayne-schwass-20160610-gpg0pz.html


Former North Melbourne star Wayne Schwass says Majak Daw will consider his future at the club should he struggle to play more senior football this year.

Daw, the first Sudanese-born AFL player, was impressive in the ruck when recalled for only his second senior match this season against Richmond last week, but has again been dropped for Saturday's blockbuster against Geelong.

Todd Goldstein, having battled a knee issue, has been named to return but Daw is first emergency. Daw had also played in round eight against Essendon, booting two goals, when the Kangaroos experimented with four marking talls inside 50.

All-Australian Goldstein is the league's best ruckman and the Roos have veteran forward Drew Petrie and fellow forward Ben Brown who can pinch-hit when required.

Daw, 25, managed only two senior matches last year and was delisted. But he was reclaimed by the Roos in the rookie draft, having endured a challenging year personally.

It's understood the Roos are keen to keep Daw, and a two-year contract has been offered – should he want to stay.

Schwass, a key member of the Roos' 1996 premiership side and now a commentator, said it would be "a matter of opportunities" for Daw.

"The indications are they are keen to keep him. You can't force out Todd Goldstein so it's a matter of Majak being patient and waiting for opportunities. But I guess it will be an interesting situation if he doesn't get too many other opportunities which, based on the Goldstein situation, I wouldn't see too many coming his way unless Todd gets injured again," he said.

"He will be sort of getting to the stage of: 'Where is the most opportunities I can get? Is it with North or is with another club'?"

Schwass said Daw had yet to master the necessary skills to be a key marking forward, stressing his best role is in the ruck. An opportunity up forward could emerge should this be Petrie's last season, and the Roos look to continue with three talls inside 50.

"The question would be whether Drew is going on or not or whether this is his last season? If he going to go on, I would still think it's going to be hard for Majak to create a spot and maintain a position with Benny Brown, Jarrad Waite and Drew," Schwass said.

"Whilst I think Majak has made improvements, I still think he has got a way to go with regards to the reading of the play.

"I actually think the role of ruck actually helps him. It brings him into the game more. He can use his aerobic capacity.

"Whereas, in the modern game, you have got to be a fairly smart footballer who can think quite quickly and understand positioning and understand reading of the play in order to find yourself in the right spot – I think that is still probably one of the challenges Majak is coming to terms with."

Daw has shown glimpses as a key forward, booting six goals in his fourth AFL match, against the Western Bulldogs in 2013, but his kicking can be an issue.

Schwass said Daw would be wise to assess all options once the season was done, having managed 18 senior matches since debuting in 2013.

"I think you have to. It's a competitive list at the moment. Whilst he is still committed to helping the club in whatever way he can, at the end of the day, we are all about opportunities and where we can create opportunities," he said.

"If those opportunities aren't present at North, I would imagine ... his manager will certainly be having conversations with other clubs. I think North would recognise that but, at the end of the day, North have to make decisions on who they think will give them the best opportunity to be successful."

Daw said earlier in the year he had maintained a close eye on Geelong star Mark Blicavs, and believes he has the athleticism to play in a similar manner around the ground.

 

[Hojuman]

10 - 1.

Media: " North " losing players, haven't beaten anybody, Hawks get premiership players back next week, Cats favourites with bookies.

Brad and the boys must be loving this.

Roos by 23 points. 11 - 1

" Hello " Hawthorn

 

[grEEk_rOO]

North Melbourne has won 10 matches but there’s still a question mark over its flag credentials, writes Paul Chapman
June 10, 2016 7:00pm
PAUL CHAPMAN
Herald Sun

At the moment, I wouldn’t consider North Melbourne a likely grand finalist, but it is definitely capable of doing well in September.

While Sydney is clearly above any rival, on the next level I would have the Western Bulldogs and GWS, ahead of North, Hawthorn, Geelong, Adelaide and West Coast.

Lol dogs ahead of north, hawthorn and geelong??

Old mate Chappy's lost it.

Can't believe the hype these shit campaigners are getting.

 

[Prefectionist]

Chapman article was ok until he said GWS and Bulldogs were more likely to be contenders than North and Hawthorn.

So the teams that are 5th and 6th are better than 1st and 3rd? Pretty sure GWS won't get past week 2 and Bulldogs will prolly lose another preliminary final.

 

[Mr--ShinBoner--#11]

But I can’t get past the fact that the only teams of genuine significance that they have beaten this year are the Western Bulldogs and Adelaide.

I would have the Western Bulldogs and GWS, ahead of North, Hawthorn, Geelong, Adelaide and West Coast.

Makes sense.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

The problem with looking at who we have beaten is the media judges those opponents on what they are doing now.

When we played GC they were in the eight, and Freo hadn't gone off a cliff and still had Fyfe. Everyone is also lauding the job Bolton is doing, but we beat them by ten goals.

 

[Prefectionist]

The problem with looking at who we have beaten is the media judges those opponents on what they are doing now.

When we played GC they were in the eight, and Freo hadn't gone off a cliff and still had Fyfe. Everyone is also lauding the job Bolton is doing, but we beat them by ten goals.

Expectation vs reality though.

No one expected Carlton to improve.

We are better than par being 10-1 but our expectation is top4 with some expecting top2

 

[ferball]

Keep disrespecting us you media flogs.

Chapman article was ok until he said GWS and Bulldogs were more likely to be contenders than North and Hawthorn.

So the teams that are 5th and 6th are better than 1st and 3rd? Pretty sure GWS won't get past week 2 and Bulldogs will prolly lose another preliminary final.

I don't think Sydney are clearly better than everyone else?

If he is basing that on us losing our first game for the year in Sydney, after winning 9 games in a row then that is just lazy thinking.

The truth is if "North haven't beaten anyone yet (cept Adelaide and the Dull Bogs)" then having an opinion on how good we really are is meaningless because we won't know how good we are till we play "someone". None of these shit writers note the obvious point that the next 4 games will leave everyone with a better idea of where we stand and that right now if our performance so far doesn't mean anything then it doesn't mean anything. Most of them are claiming it means we don't deserve to be where we are. A few footy writers and commentators have acknowledged that but no where near enough to up their collective IQ.

 

[jacko57]

Is it the direct root to goal?


Or is my spelling off?

something to do with 'hard ball gets'?

 

[giantroo]

Player agent Sourasis welcomes AFLPA investigation
Nathan Schmook June 11, 2016 5:19 PM


PLAYER agent Jason Sourasis has welcomed the AFL Players’ Association investigation into his bitter legal dispute with former business partner Liam Pickering as the management rights to some of the game’s biggest stars hang in the balance.

Pickering was this week ordered by the Supreme Court to pay compensation to Sourasis, the boss of Strategic Management Australia, after he broke ranks in 2014 and took a host of the game's stars with him.

The AFLPA's Agents Accreditation Board oversees the conduct of player managers and has assigned lawyer James Gallagher to conduct an independent investigation into the case.

The investigation puts the management rights to some of the games established and rising stars, including Gary Ablett, Jacob Weitering, Scott Pendlebury and Jack Ziebell, under a cloud.

Ablett and Weitering are managed by Pickering's Precision Sports Entertainment Group, while Pendlebury and Ziebell are two players who chose to remain with Sourasis and Strategic.

The investigation will centre on the Supreme Court findings handed down by Justice Michael Sifris on Tuesday, with Gallagher to then determine if there has been a breach of the player agents’ code of conduct.

Both agents will be given the chance to share their version of events with Gallagher before his findings are presented to the Agent Accreditation Board.

The agents will then be given a further chance to respond to the report and make a submission on any penalty before the board makes a call on whether it will take action.

Gallagher will investigate three separate findings handed down by the court.

Justice Sifris ruled in favour of Sourasis and found that his company had been "impoverished and suffered loss and damage as a result of the conduct of Pickering".

The court then dismissed Pickering's counterclaim that Strategic failed to pay all of a $200,000 sign-on fee he was promised for joining the company.

The judge found in Pickering's favour on a second counterclaim about oppressive conduct.

Specifically, Sourasis was found by the court to have transferred $197,000 out of Strategic Management Australia on an "ad hoc" basis and with no supporting documents.

It is understood Sourasis will consider appealing the oppression finding.

Pickering said there were grounds for the AFLPA to revoke Sourasis's player management licence.

"They (the AFLPA) will be looking at the licence of Sourasis and whether someone who lied under oath and falsified documents to cover withdrawals of funds taken without consent can be a fit and proper person to hold an AFLPA licence," Pickering told SEN.

Sourasis released a personal statement on Saturday in response, detailing a series of text messages Pickering had sent him when the ruling was handed down on Tuesday.

"Without revealing the full extent of Pickering's text messages, Pickering threatened to 'go to town' through his own media 'forum' to discredit and damage my reputation," Sourasis said.

"Thankfully this unfortunate saga is concluding and I look forward to moving on and continuing my endeavours to transform the talent management industry."

There have been calls this week for the AFL to take charge of player agents and use its muscle and influence to police the industry.

 

[giantroo]

JonPierik ‏@Pierik_AgeSport

Jason Sourasis: "Without revealing the full extent of Pickering's text messages, Pickering threatened to 'go to town' through his own media 'forum' to discredit and damage my reputation. Thankfully this unfortunate saga is concluding"

 

[kaboom kid]

Brace yourselves for the impending media circle jerk about the Bulldogs win folks....I'm predicting certain pundits are about to get a little hot under the collar.....

 

[Miss Rosie]

JonPierik ‏@Pierik_AgeSport

Jason Sourasis: "Without revealing the full extent of Pickering's text messages, Pickering threatened to 'go to town' through his own media 'forum' to discredit and damage my reputation. Thankfully this unfortunate saga is concluding"

giantroo.. were your ears burning? I just asked someone where you have been . Haven't seen you posting . May be my blindness

 

[giantroo]

giantroo.. were your ears burning? I just asked someone where you have been . Haven't seen you posting . May be my blindness

I'm still around.

 

[ferball]

Wow. Has Richo had a spray tan?

If only Zombie Jack Dyer were there. He'd spray the walls with their blood, flay them and tan their hides.

 

[archereleven]

flipping lolworthy commentary already...

Any decision against us = the umpires got it right

Decisions against the handbaggers = outrage in the box

 

[Gasometer]

ruddy lolworthy commentary already...

Any decision against us = the umpires got it right

Decisions against the handbaggers = outrage in the box

Richo is the dumbest campaigner in the media.

 

[archereleven]

Richo is the dumbest campaigner in the media.

They are all dumb campaigners afaic... So flipping hard to listen to

 

[archereleven]

Listen to the different tone of voice when we kick a goal, flipping hilarious lol

They are genuinely disappointed