Conca Vs Heppell

[HighettBomber]

Surely not serious?

The kids good, but he's yet to match Deledio for output in any of Deledio's years.

In terms of statistics he's clearly ahead of where Delideo was in his first three years and not a lot behind him this year or the previous three.

 

[TigerTime88]

In terms of statistics he's clearly ahead of where Delideo was in his first three years and not a lot behind him this year or the previous three.

Ha ha ha ha because stats in 2005 are the same as stats today. The game has changed you can't compare things like that anymore.

Heppell is no where near Deledio and to suggest it is ridiculous and just show how far bombers are getting ahead of themselves.

As for the players Conca in the midfield has averaged 23 touches at 85% which is as goos as it gets for a first year player so I can't understand how dons fans can say Heppell easily at the moment. It is different earning a kick in the midfield compared to cheapies on the HBF.

In saying that Heppell is a gun and I rate him i just think a few of you need to calm down.

 

[stevedarui]

Ha ha ha ha because stats in 2005 are the same as stats today. The game has changed you can't compare things like that anymore.

Heppell is no where near Deledio and to suggest it is ridiculous and just show how far bombers are getting ahead of themselves.

As for the players Conca in the midfield has averaged 23 touches at 85% which is as goos as it gets for a first year player so I can't understand how dons fans can say Heppell easily at the moment. It is different earning a kick in the midfield compared to cheapies on the HBF.

In saying that Heppell is a gun and I rate him i just think a few of you need to calm down.

It is wrong to say that because Conca plays on a wing that he wins his own footy more than Heppell.

Heppell has more contested possessions.

Conca looks to be an OK player but at the moment all he has proven is that he can get on the end of the footy.

Heppell has a special quality and I reckon will end up in the middle.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Heppel isn't going to be a half back flanker his whole career, bookmark it.

Simply has too much class for that limited role, Heppel for me, quite suprised by the poll result tbh... needed options for supporters of the respective clubs

No knock on Conca though, he should be a very good player

 

[TigerTime88]

It is wrong to say that because Conca plays on a wing that he wins his own footy more than Heppell.

Heppell has more contested possessions.

Conca looks to be an OK player but at the moment all he has proven is that he can get on the end of the footy.

Heppell has a special quality and I reckon will end up in the middle.

Sorry clearly you need to read between the lines. I am not suggesting everyone of his touches is an easy get but generally HBF players pick up easier touches such as a switch of the play. Sorry for not spelling that out for you more clearly.

Conca looks "ok" does he. Glad you think he is just ok averaging 17 touches at a high efficency rate in his first seven games. I think his last four games where he has gone in the middle and averaged 23 touches at 85% is a little bit better than "ok".

 

[HighettBomber]

Ha ha ha ha because stats in 2005 are the same as stats today. The game has changed you can't compare things like that anymore.

Heppell is no where near Deledio and to suggest it is ridiculous and just show how far bombers are getting ahead of themselves.

As for the players Conca in the midfield has averaged 23 touches at 85% which is as goos as it gets for a first year player so I can't understand how dons fans can say Heppell easily at the moment. It is different earning a kick in the midfield compared to cheapies on the HBF.

In saying that Heppell is a gun and I rate him i just think a few of you need to calm down.

There may be differences in how the game is played now as compared to when Deledio started, but Heppell's output, in terms of stats is over 30% greater. It hasn''t changed that much. He was also close our best player against the best side in the competition in front of 90,000 people. Anybody suggesting he is having an easy ride is just wrong.

There is no question Delideo is currently a better player, I haven't seen anyone say otherwise. He's quicker and gets the ball a little more (not much mind you) and he is stronger in contests. However, he clearly doesn't read the play as well. Where is this great difference? I'd say Delideo is comfortably the better player at he moment, but the difference isn't huge. Heppell is markedly better than he was at the same age.

 

[Azzleberry]

This thread is becoming ridiculous. Heppell at this stage of his career is the best ever first year player and will likely become a cross between Hird, Judd and Hodge. He is able to play in any position on the field and will probably play 400 games at this rate.

Seriously though.. Heppell is a fine player, as is Conca. Let the kids both play 2 seasons before you start saying they are better than dual Club BnF's, rising stars and AA squad reps.

 

[Rustof]

Heppell is averaging the same amount of disposals as Goddard. So Heppell is as good as Goddard too?

 

[HighettBomber]

Heppell is averaging the same amount of disposals as Goddard. So Heppell is as good as Goddard too?

No, but he's probably been as good this season.

Stats aren't the be all and end all, but getting the pill is pretty important, as is what is done with it. Heppell obviously doesn't have any issues with either. If you look at the two players, they both can win their own ball, they both dispose of it well and both know where to run to get receive. I's argue Heppell is better in the air and has a better tank, while Conca is going to be physically stronger and is more dual sided. It is just a plain falacy to say that Heppell is not a midfielder and Conca is, they both are going to end up in the middle and they will both be very good players. There really isn't much to seperate them other than their ability to get the ball.

If we're talking the comparison with Deledio, both Heppell and Deledio are playing off the HBF. Deledio has Heppell for pace, strength and marking ability. But he doesn't get the ball much more and he doesn't dispose of it any better. There is no doubt Deledio is better at the moment, but i can't see where any great the great chasm is between them in terms of output.

 

[TigerTime88]

I can't agree with the disposal comment re Lids Highett Bomber. Deledio is a much more penetrating kick and the best kick in our side.

 

[fishguts]

I can't agree with the disposal comment re Lids Highett Bomber. Deledio is a much more penetrating kick and the best kick in our side.

Heppell is also a very penetrating kick and is nearly the best kick in our side...

 

[carn tigez]

Heppell is also a very penetrating kick and is nearly the best kick in our side...

Heppell is a future gun and very good already, but to say he uses it as well as Deledio is miles off the mark. That's not a knock on him, but Lids would be in the top 10-15 kicks in the league pretty comfortable I would have thought.

 

[brett15]

It is wrong to say that because Conca plays on a wing

That's not quite correct. Since he moved from defense Conca has been playing in the centre in and around stoppages so there's been plenty of times where he's fighting for the contested ball.

He's also been involved in many link up plays so it may appear he's sometimes playing a role on the wing, but Cotchin and Martin have played this link up role as well.

 

[Zahasouvlakis]

Wow, these arguments are ridiculous. We say Heppell, they say Conca, at the end of the day, we couldn't have chosen Conca. It really doesn't matter.

 

[Bazzar]

Wow, these arguments are ridiculous. We say Heppell, they say Conca, at the end of the day, we couldn't have chosen Conca. It really doesn't matter.

Best post so far.

At the end of the day it was a Trollpoll, nothing else. Has been great to see both Bombers and Tiges refraining in tit for tat shit fights

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Was impressed by Heppell right from the get-go, but wasn't overly convinced by Conca. However, in the last couple of Richmond matches I've seen, Conca has looked the goods. Not sure if it's a case of him adjusting to the tempo, or the team just playing better around him and giving him a better chance to show what he's got...

Either way, too early to call this one IMO. Both look good.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Both going to be good players
I feel however Conca could be something very very special.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

I'm surprised at the poll, i would have thought Heppell would have been leading with his great form off the back flank, Conca has been great too, really looks like a 200+ games player, happy with the pick

 

[THECHIEFTON]

Conca look more of a natural midfielder. Watching Heppell Playing more through the middle tonight and he looks a bit lost.

Both great players and way to early to tell who's better.

 

[007Tigers]

anyone whos saying heppell is even close to deledio is serious in the head.. lids has won 2 best and fairest and dont say hes won it in a weak team coz he beat richo and year richo almost won the brownlow

ive seen alot of heppell and he has been good but nothing special he will probably win the rising star this year but would be the weakest winner in many years

right now heppell is playing one of the easiest positions on the ground love to see him go in the guts and see how he goes

i really love the way conca goes about it and he is a seriously good kick

this poll depends on what ya want from a player

conca will win you the ball in the middle and has an good kick on him but might get ya only 20 possessions where heppell will get 25 disposals and is a very good rebounding defender and a decent 1 on 1 player for his age

we wont know whos better for a few years

 

[Donakebab]

Whoever wins the Rising Star, it's not shaping up to be a week year for it.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

I'm reasonably impressed at about 75% of fans from both Essendon and Richmond refraining from turning this thread into a typical big footy thread.

Here is how I read the situation:

- Heppell became favourite for the RS during the NAB Cup
- Conca's first 3 weeks were in a BP, getting beaten.
- Some Essendon fans, and other clubs, wanted to stir the Tigers up for "another drafting blunder".
- Conca starts playing good footy
- The neutrals then vote for Conca in this thread partly because they, rightly or wrongly, view the OP as an Essendon supporter who likely called Conca a dud early on (despite the mild "I expect this poll to be very close" to protect himself from this effect). In other words "we think you think Conca's a dud, so we'll vote the opposite". Not everyone voted like that, but some, definitely.

It's well documented that the Richmond of old was terrible. We made drafting mistakes with Fiora and Tambling. We also didn't develop players to their potential.

However, the early calls of drafting mistake towards Conca were sympotmatic of the attitude towards the RFC of old, which IMO - are no longer justified. For example, if Collingwood drafted Conca, nobody would have made the early "he's a dud" call. I'm not aiming that at the OP, but towards earlier threads about Conca and the reason behind those threads (the "Richmond is shit" attitude). To put it in one sentence - attitudes towards Richmond should probably change, and if not, you might look silly because we're not a rabble anymore and you'll eventually get caught out

 

[Azzleberry]

^^^What he said...

 

[Tulip]

Can't split them. Would take either

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

Conca because he seems to fit in at Tigerland