List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[DanWCE]

Tigers don’t need Sharp- more into Grlj, X Taylor and Robey. They already have Smiley.

So it's mainly going to hinge on whether Bombers want to trade up for Duursma at one, or are they happy to look at pick 2 and grab CDT.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Lol Walter won the GF sprint he is a beast we would be set for 10 years with Walter and shanahan. Like Hawkins and Cameron

 

[Obeanie1]

I have read on other boards that the Tigers are keen on Grlj

I'm expecting Tigers will go Grlj and Robey.

 

[DorothyG]

That might be so, but your club's team aren't.

Brisbane's got 2 x Ashcrofts and Fletcher by being hit in the arse by a F/S rainbow in recent years. Then getting Annable this year to add to that while raiding FA left right and center. You're winning by a mile on this. On the back of this the Lions will be thereabouts for a number of years yet.

At the same time, Brisbane is putting the screws on the team that won exactly one game this year, and has won 11 games in the time they've made 3xGF.

Yeah maybe it's time to stop trying to win a bit more? Unless the AFL are being dicks about whether it's Band 1 or not, just lodge the ****ing paperwork for Allen and be done with it.

Disagree with this school of thought.

This is the ruthless, cut throat world that is the AFL we are talking about.

Brisbane has one and only one team they need to consider and look after.

Good on them for netting FS and now Academy picks, it's made them into a power house. They have done exactly what they should have done.

No deal or trade should take any of that in to consideration and Brissy should not accept a less offer because they have won the FS lottery of late.

They are going for the throat to stay up and about for a very long time. Good on them

 

[Mop]

I do. And I’ve said similar on our board.

My club is trying to do the best for my club.

Your club is trying to do the best for your club.

Ideally we’d prefer to keep both Starcevich (and Ah Chee), but we can’t afford to match the offers of other clubs.

Because of the posturing and all the other absolute crap from a couple of your finest clowns on the Starc FA thread I’ve not got a straight answer to this thread

Would you rather keep Starc and Ah Chee or have Allen and Draper?

My best mate is a Brisbane fan so I watch most games, and surely you need a good key forward more than anything - especially with Hipwood injured til mid next season, surely ?

 

[Goroyals22]

Steele, Heath AND a pick our way

I mean I like it but I doubt the Saints go for it

Heaths going to Melbourne

 

[InTheWings]

We aren’t forcing a trade.

West Coast “need” to trade for Starcevich so as not to dilute the Oscar Allen compensation.

Brisbane are using this situation to our advantage to increase our points pool this draft (and in next year’s draft).

West Coast made their first offer, and we made a counter offer.

Neither club is being a d!ck, both clubs are trying to get the best deal for their club.

One theory on our board is that West Coast’s list manager asked us to start at pick 16, so that when we settle on the compo pick, West Coast fans feel like they got a “win” over the Lions.

IF
We have offered pick #23, as Twomey has stated

THEN
You guys are being dicks for not accepting it, leveraging the Allen compo and causing both Allen and Starcevich unnecessary angst.

 

[txbyhull]

Twomey said West Coast offered their second round pick, not the priority pick.

Which is what I’ve been saying all along.

I’ve tried avoiding the actual number, because the picks keep moving out as more compensation picks are given out.

lol, the picks are 1 place apart. If Brisbane haggled over that then it’d prove they’re being shitty for the sake of it

 

[Scotland]

It is nowadays, is it not?

Once they acknowledge formal receipt of it being lodged they say what the compo would be and the club has 72(?) hours to match?

It's too murky.

The whole thing stinks of the AFL trying to orchestrate a scenario where Brisbane get Allen and a first round pick for Starcevich and we get pick 2.

AFL average salary is what, $500k? 80th percentile would be... $800k? Just say from the outset that any contract that would be top 20% in 2025 for at least 4 years is band 1. End of.

 

[briztoon]

I agree with the fact that there is no threat from Brisbane to amend Oscar's offer as I would say we would hear rumors in the media from Oscars management that his contract is being based on a negotiation outcome of a separate deal in Starcevich. I am sure the AFLPA would also be on top of that.

What you say about strict wage structure would be common with most contending teams. However, if Brisbane has offered terms under the threshold of Band 1 compensation it seems the AFL has used its authority to increase the compensation with the media mentioning the Eagles getting pick 2 including Twomey the AFL's mouthpiece.
With the Eagles being so bad for the last five years I would say this is a part of the Eagles assistance package.

Clarke has stated that the Eagles view both transactions as separate deals.

The delay in lodging Oscar's free agency paperwork by Brisbane is just posturing.

So, by Friday before the free agency period ends and Brisbane do lodge the paperwork for Oscar it will be interesting to see if the AFL are true to what their media team and others like Duffield have been stating.

If the Eagles do get pick 2, they seem to want to trade up and as the Hawks showed last year with Barrass amidst player negotiations if another deal or opportunity presented is deemed a higher value you take it.

Good post and covers pretty much everything.

The only thing I’ll add is that I believe Gold Coast has said it would have to be a draft night trade, so I’m not sure if West Coast can pull a Hawks like trade to remove picks from the equation.

I think the Starcevich trade gets done for one of the early picks in the twenty's either the end of first round compensation or the eagles first pick of the second round.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Twomey said West Coast offered their second round pick, not the priority pick.

Which is what I’ve been saying all along.

I’ve tried avoiding the actual number, because the picks keep moving out as more compensation picks are given out.

Find it hard to believe we'd be arguing over 1 pick difference, especially when the pick will be gobbled up by a bid anyway

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

They are 1 pick apart... What's the difference?

This is probably a dumb position to take, but I’d rather have the first pick in the second round than the last pick in the first round (assuming that these are actually concurrent and not actually 5 picks apart due to compensation shenanigans and what not). My reasoning is that having the first pick in the second round is quite valuable because after the dust settles from night 1, teams will go back and have a look at their draft board and there’s a decent chance that some idiot team like North will be so enamoured with a kid who slid out of the first round that they’ll make a dumb trade (including their F1) to be guaranteed to get that kid with the opening pick.

 

[ZergMinion]

Find it hard to believe we'd be arguing over 1 pick difference, especially when the pick will be gobbled up by a bid anyway

I suspect the pick being eaten by bids is the only reason we're arguing over it.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Heaths going to Melbourne

That not the only thing wrong with the trade is was responding to

 

[bzparkes]

This is probably a dumb position to take, but I’d rather have the first pick in the second round than the last pick in the first round (assuming that these are actually concurrent and not actually 5 picks apart due to compensation shenanigans and what not). My reasoning is that having the first pick in the second round is quite valuable because after the dust settles from night 1, teams will go back and have a look at their draft board and there’s a decent chance that some idiot team like North will be so enamoured with a kid who slid out of the first round that they’ll make a dumb trade (including their F1) to be guaranteed to get that kid with the opening pick.

Yeah except North swapped their first this year for the last pick in the first round.

 

[ZergMinion]

I do. And I’ve said similar on our board.

My club is trying to do the best for my club.

Your club is trying to do the best for your club.

Ideally we’d prefer to keep both Starcevich (and Ah Chee), but we can’t afford to match the offers of other clubs.

As long as you acknowledge the universe where Brisbane waits out the free agency window so we don't get to find out what the compensation is till after it closes, the pick is band 2, and thus we miss out on signing Starcevich for free as a free agent (as we'd match Oscar and force a trade, and you just said Brisbane couldn't afford to match), is the same universe where we march Starc to the PSD I think we're good.

Though that won't happen because the back to back reigning premiers screwing over the wooden spooners like that would be shameful.

 

[VinegarStrokes]

Twomey said West Coast offered their second round pick, not the priority pick.

Which is what I’ve been saying all along.

I’ve tried avoiding the actual number, because the picks keep moving out as more compensation picks are given out.

Curious as to why we are offering 23 instead of 22. 22 will be needed for Annable points so 22 and 23 are effectively the same for WC. 22 would be preferable to Bris as it's more points (not many I'm sure). Seems like WC want to bid on him regardless of the Starc / Allen situation

 

[Goroyals22]

Get it done to watch some heads explode

 

[twce13]

what would lions have done if starcevech didn’t leave and their man gets bid on at ?

Pray Adelaide are stupid enough to give a first for ah chee ?

Lions actions are desperate cause they have a points crisis. And they leverage this desperation with arrogance and entitlement, which is the AFLs fault for giving these chumps concession after concession.

 

[kerrazy]

Twomey said West Coast offered their second round pick, not the priority pick.

Which is what I’ve been saying all along.

I’ve tried avoiding the actual number, because the picks keep moving out as more compensation picks are given out.

There is no way around this. Your club are acting like greedy campaigners attempting to pillage a one win team.

 

[cookiesncream]

I do. And I’ve said similar on our board.

My club is trying to do the best for my club.

Your club is trying to do the best for your club.

Ideally we’d prefer to keep both Starcevich (and Ah Chee), but we can’t afford to match the offers of other clubs.

I agree both clubs are trying to do what is best for them.

Who has the leverage in the negotiation though?

Eagles see both deals separate knowing the FA window closes before the trade window and the AFL will announce its compensation.

With player power if Starcevich has nominated the Eagles I say he gets here and the Lions will take perceived unders in a 2nd round pick to do right by one of there ex players.

 

[3agles87]

Clarke said yesterday pick 23 is around the mark and Twomey has said 23 has been "tabled"

Indicates to me its been offered. Why are you saying it hasn't?

Yep. And the Brisbane manager indicated they wanted more than 23, yet here we are with Brizkent stating as fact that West Coast is playing games.

Brizkent…

 

[bzparkes]

Get it done to watch some heads explode

Saving himself for the $5m sign-on bonus from Tassie.

 

[twce13]

Curious as to why we are offering 23 instead of 22. 22 will be needed for Annable points so 22 and 23 are effectively the same for WC. 22 would be preferable to Bris as it's more points (not many I'm sure). Seems like WC want to bid regardless of the Starc / Allen situation

Brisbane will likely trade down again from 22, it’s what they do. So yeah we shouldn’t budge.. also 22 is the last pick of draft night 1 so maybe valuable in the sense of a desperate club (ala norf last year)

 

[FatPizza]

As long as you acknowledge the universe where Brisbane waits out the free agency window so we don't get to find out what the compensation is till after it closes, the pick is band 2, and thus we miss out on signing Starcevich for free as a free agent (as we'd match Oscar and force a trade, and you just said Brisbane couldn't afford to match), is the same universe where we march Starc to the PSD I think we're good.

Though that won't happen because the back to back reigning premiers screwing over the wooden spooners like that would be shameful.

Brisbane can't do that, as since Allen is a restricted free agent we have until the Monday to either match or not. So we'll know what the compo is and act accordingly.